Hmmm...so that method is at worst 15, but I feel it is unlikely to ever get a fast solve like a standard mastermind method, not sure how it stacks up against the math method either.
The thing about the math method is once you have 4 total hits, you know how far away the final one is.
Wait, question if the number is
12399
and we guessed 94444 what would be the result mods?
And if for the same thing we guessed
99944 or 99999
Coolio. I already generated and scrambled if you want to try. Might make some more for later runs.
87826
No numbers correct
One correct, in the right place
None correct
None correct
None correct
None correct
2 correct, in the right place
4 correct, 1 in the right place
5 correct, 3 in the correct place
5 correct, 2 in the correct place
Ignore that. No I don't. Either the 1st spot is 3 or the 3rd spot is 4. That's what I know.5 correct, 2 in the correct place
Well with my blunder I now now the 1st spot is 3 or 4 and the 3rd spot is 3 or 4.
answer was 66473
Guess 1: 11100
Guess 2: 22233
Guess 3: 44455
Guess 4: 77766
Guess 5: 11111
Guess 6: 33333
Guess 7: 44444
Are you sure it's 15 off using the most efficient paths?
Nvmand just like magic you have the number in 8 guesses.
Guess 8: 94042
Not like magic, the method both makes it clear teh numbers are and which 2/3 places they are in, that was the only one that also was off by 15
I wanna go one more time with it to prove it's not a fluke, and someone can try Sam's and someone can play mastermind tomorrow. Mastermind might be stronger tbh
Guess 1: 11100
Guess 2: 22233
Guess 3: 44455
Guess 4: 77766
Guess 5: 11111
Guess 6: 44444
Guess 7: 77777
Guess 8: 40618
Guess 9: 64081
Cool so it's consistent around 8 or 9 guesses I think. 7 that tell you everything you need to know, and then there's only a few combos out from there. I am curious if mastermind can consistently get 5, but this would be a very fast time wise solve at least.
Good. I'm mostly freeish tomorrow to help test strategies, of course I do believe I tend to wake late compared to the rest of you.
Oracle I'll run a number for you to practice on give me a second
The safe shows:
57984
1: 3 correct, 0 in correct spot
2: 1 correct, 1 in correct spot
3: 0 correct
4: 0 correct
I mistook my notes then; At some point I convinced myself there had to be a 7 which meant there couldn't be an 8.
Oracle's strat has the huge benefit of simplicity, so I think we should be using that now.
Yeah you shuffled it incorrectly. the 0 is only 3 off, not 7.would my solution have worked if the 2 and 0 switched?
Yeah you shuffled it incorrectly. the 0 is only 3 off, not 7.would my solution have worked if the 2 and 0 switched?
Oh whoops! I didn't realize that it could go backwards lol.This challenge can be very confusing to understand how all the rules work. Don’t worry, it’s just great you are helping because the more people who understand the better we can work together when we go to solve this for real.
Display on safe us 74208.
Guess 1: 07531
Oh whoops! I didn't realize that it could go backwards lol.This challenge can be very confusing to understand how all the rules work. Don’t worry, it’s just great you are helping because the more people who understand the better we can work together when we go to solve this for real.
419751 correct, 0 in right spot
Guess 3: 186423 correct, 1 in right spot.
Guess 4: 16364
Guess 5: 146343 correct, 0 in right place
361333 correct, 2 in right spot.
Guess 7: 681635 correct, 3 in right spot.
Guess 5: 03782
I mean, I only use Sam's method until there's sufficient knowledge of digits to use the mastermind. It appears to have a better result than any of the others (and even botching it earlier was still likely as good as better as the other method). So I'd reccomend it, though It's likely I need to be around over any discussion using it.So here is my next suggestion. I want us to practice communication on this together. If suzy generates a number, and you use sam’s method perhaps I can pipe in to see if two people doing it is more or less confusing?
I unfortunately need to leave so that isn't feasibleoh no, I hope everything is okay.
For dog poops and giggles someone give me a scrambler and ill see if I can make heads or dog tails of it.
For dog poops and giggles someone give me a scrambler and ill see if I can make heads or dog tails of it.
Okay! Shuffled number is 63470
Do a +4 or a 5 whichever has fewer digits in commonOkay so then if i do +5
Do a +4 or a 5 whichever has fewer digits in commonOkay so then if i do +5
3: 18925 I think has the most unique with only 1. That’s a guess fyi Suzy.
Do a +4 or a 5 whichever has fewer digits in commonOkay so then if i do +5
3: 18925 I think has the most unique with only 1. That’s a guess fyi Suzy.
18925
3 numbers correct, 2 in right spot, 1 in wrong spot
2 numbers right, no correct spots.
This is making me feel like something went wrong on my end
2 numbers right, no correct spots.
This is making me feel like something went wrong on my end
2 numbers right, no correct spots.
This is making me feel like something went wrong on my end
DM me the correct number and I'll double check?
2 numbers right, no correct spots.
This is making me feel like something went wrong on my end
Nah I'm just such a dunce when it comes to stuff beyond the method I posted because that was easy for me haha. Sam and YW are much smarter than me and have a better logic oriented brain than I do.
So now I know it's not 2/0 and it has to be 5 5 3 1 1 for the total difference in the numbers.
74581 is +1 away
52369 is -1 away
1: 96703 (2 correct, 1 right spot) +3
2: 30147 (2 correct, 0 right spot)-3
3: 18925 (3 correct, 2 right spot) +5
4. 14930 (2 correct, 1 right spot)
5. 15820 (2 correct 1 right spot)
6: 85692 (2 correct, 0 right spot) +2
I will say there's something odd about 3 and 6. 3 were correct for 18925 and only 2 85692 meaning that likely 1 is in the final solution somewhere it also means only 2 of 8 5 9 2 are correct.
7: 12983
I think you missed directives about digits, your foruth guess was known to be way off because of your second guess. I think I'll try a run with the method and state my thinking out loud to make it easier to parse.
Still I am around and able to tag team for a bitIf this isn't a solvable number I'm totally down to start with a new one and tag team with you. I have to go back to my internship in a few but I've figured out a way to sneak peaks on my phone and give brief responses and thoughts.
I mean it's probably best to just scrap it? We don't have a good idea on the effectiveness of the method
I'm kind of busy with the combo thing :I
+4/-4 isn't a bad idea from a digit perspective, but I prefer to have full info on 3 apart before going there.okay. I just thought maybe guessing a non 6 number would be more useful since we know it’s dead.
Are you guys set with Writers's guess 2?I’m letting yw drive right now and explain his method. So yes.
+4 would be 75030 ftrgot it so that might be the useful guess now.
Yeah we should start after this practice tbh
Yeah we should start after this practice tbh
Agreed. This is where I’m stumped with this method to be honest. I think we should maybe have switched tactics to knock out the numbers.
Well, I didn't get to do all of the specific numbers, but I did get to get all of the combos of moves, should I put that here/somewhere?
Well, I didn't get to do all of the specific numbers, but I did get to get all of the combos of moves, should I put that here/somewhere?
Any objection Oracle?none sorry something came up at the internship I had to deal with.
4. 05188
5 numbers correct, 0 right places
Still I'm very confident in this method to do better on average that the simple method. I'm willing to start the challenge whenever, but would like to do it very soon since we need to finish by 7:30 apparentlyI’ll be here to talk it out but I doubt I’m going to be able to contribute much. This method kind of goes over my head. I’ll be here though.
Still I'm very confident in this method to do better on average that the simple method. I'm willing to start the challenge whenever, but would like to do it very soon since we need to finish by 7:30 apparentlyI’ll be here to talk it out but I doubt I’m going to be able to contribute much. This method kind of goes over my head. I’ll be here though.
sure I’ll do what I can from mobile to help verify!Still I'm very confident in this method to do better on average that the simple method. I'm willing to start the challenge whenever, but would like to do it very soon since we need to finish by 7:30 apparentlyI’ll be here to talk it out but I doubt I’m going to be able to contribute much. This method kind of goes over my head. I’ll be here though.
I mean I can do the high level calcs in my notebook, I just need someone to check that I don't put in an impossible number or too many for it to be a possible combo
Yeah, Anthony was right, you said 0 when there was 1 in the right place.
Anyway, the actual shuffled number is 76174this is the agreed upon method after review. On average you did get a quicker solution than the other.
So the +3 guess is 09407
-3 is 43841, which I think is still a fine guess with mostly different numbers, even with the double 4sI trust you. At the very least we would be within 3 places if a diff of 3 exists at all.
Booyah! We got this baby!haha this is already a better start than I was hoping for
Booyah! We got this baby!haha this is already a better start than I was hoping for
15-6 is 9. So 5 4 0, 5 2 2 are the only possibilities right?
A bit of a guess but I think 48531 works, eliminating one of the 4s from the guesschecking but itll take me a sec on mobile
No I think the math is off on that one it's 16 not 15?I was just about to say that.
48831 does work but I am curious if it probes well?no. Its 3 3s i think?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but since the sum of the fake codes digits are odd and we're adding/subtracting an odd number from the digits, wouldn't the sum of the code be even?
What about 43218?3 3 1 4 4 im pretty sure works?
Prayers for it to be correct, that'd be hilarious that we do our best on the one that counts
Yeah, was 4 great by our methods?I think our best prior in theory was five.
Yeah, 4 was theoretically possible with a good roll, but required some luck. We got insane luck, but we also had a tiebreaker win.