Survivor: Wes Anderson

Previous Tribes => Camp Ivanhoe => Topic started by: Wes Anderson on September 02, 2021, 07:06:07 am

Title: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Wes Anderson on September 02, 2021, 07:06:07 am
Welcome to Camp Ivanhoe!

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Tribe:
Anthony Adams, Duke, Herman Blume, Kylie, M. Gustave, Oracle, Richie Tenenbaum, Sam Shakusky, Suzy Bishop, and Young Writer

This is your tribal forum, where you can talk publicly together as a tribe.  Get to know your new tribemates!

This is also the forum where Tribal Council will take place.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 02, 2021, 08:50:27 am
Bark bark!
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Kylie on September 02, 2021, 08:51:41 am
Oh, hey.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Duke on September 02, 2021, 08:53:01 am
There are rather a lot more people than I am used to seeing! Welcome, all of you.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 02, 2021, 08:54:34 am
G'day everyone ;)
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 02, 2021, 08:58:09 am
Greetings, compatriots! Here is to getting to know everyone!
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Richie Tenenbaum on September 02, 2021, 09:04:06 am
Hey everyone
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: M. Gustave on September 02, 2021, 09:16:09 am
good to meet you all!
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Sam Shakusky on September 02, 2021, 10:11:11 am
Hello peoples
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Sam Shakusky on September 02, 2021, 10:11:33 am
*and animals
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Suzy Bishop on September 02, 2021, 10:44:27 am
Hi everyone. Nice to meet you.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Suzy Bishop on September 02, 2021, 10:49:22 am
I’m separated from my computer and my dumb phone is having a hard time with this mobile site. I will respond to you all shortly. Apologies!
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Herman Blume on September 02, 2021, 09:13:18 pm
Good morning all excited to play!
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Suzy Bishop on September 04, 2021, 06:18:47 am
I am heading out for a couple hours and will respond to pms when I am back!
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 04, 2021, 06:50:42 am
I also have to take off for a bit. I'll check in soon.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Suzy Bishop on September 04, 2021, 01:00:14 pm
I'm going to bed!! See you all in the morning.

Yours,
Suzy
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 04, 2021, 02:24:12 pm
I seem to have come down with a doggy headache.

I'm going to take advantage of the night off to get some sleep and respond to people tomorrow.

Bark bark! Thanks for understanding.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 05, 2021, 04:15:19 am
Just wanted to say bark bark bark! Good morning everyone!

I just woke up after a really long headache filled night. I'll be around in a bit to say hi! Tail wag.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Kylie on September 05, 2021, 05:53:58 am
Sorry! I've got a real busy day today, I haven't gotten to respond to anyone. I'll do my best when I get home!
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Suzy Bishop on September 05, 2021, 08:41:30 am
Does anyone want to sit out? I don't mind sitting out if everyone else wants to participate.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 05, 2021, 09:18:49 am
I would like to participate :)
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Herman Blume on September 05, 2021, 09:22:41 am
I want to participate. I have several ideas about how to approach it already. If no one volunteers to sit out by tomorrow morning, I suggest we make a poll and vote on who sits.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: M. Gustave on September 05, 2021, 09:30:32 am
i'm in to participate, and i've done a few experiments to test for delays. most common seems to be about one full second from my system clock to the post's timestamp, maybe others should try this as well if they haven't already.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 05, 2021, 09:31:04 am
Ah, I didn't want to test anything until we decided :I
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Brendan on September 05, 2021, 09:44:36 am
You should decide who is sitting out before you discuss the challenge.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Sam Shakusky on September 05, 2021, 09:45:41 am
Add me to the want to participate list.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 05, 2021, 09:55:47 am
Also want to participate.

Also will get to PMs in a couple hours, sorry comrades.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 05, 2021, 10:18:49 am
I haven't gotten a chance to really look at the challenge yet. I had something going on but I'm around now, sorry to anyone who was waiting on me. Let me read it over. But I'm happy to sit or participate, whatever people want.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 05, 2021, 10:23:09 am
We should definitely decide asap
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 05, 2021, 10:26:23 am
So if I've seen the posts correctly:

Participating-Anthony, Herman, M. Gustave, Sam, Young Writer, Oracle
Will participate or sit-Suzy
Have not heard from-Richie, Duke, Kylie

I'll go ahead and move to participating since I know I'm around for the remainder of tonight and tomorrow to be able to participate and will just defer the strategy to others and go along with it.

So we just need to know which of Suzy/Richie/Duke/Kylie is sitting?
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Richie Tenenbaum on September 05, 2021, 10:47:53 am
I'll participate, I'm out tonight but I'll be around all day tomorrow and happy to follow any strategy the tribe comes up with
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Kylie on September 05, 2021, 11:44:21 am
I want to participate.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 05, 2021, 11:45:26 am
Okay so then one of Duke or Suzy will sit.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Suzy Bishop on September 05, 2021, 12:43:54 pm
Has Duke been around? I definitely don’t mind sitting out but maybe I should participate if we haven’t heard from him?
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 05, 2021, 01:52:53 pm
Sitting Duke wouldn't be the worst as it would allow us to discuss strategy.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: M. Gustave on September 05, 2021, 03:35:49 pm
if we have the power to sit him out without his say-so, maybe we should just so we make sure we have time to finish the challenge.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 05, 2021, 04:18:13 pm
I'm going to let you all make that decision. I will do my best to wake up as early as possible tomorrow to get in on everything.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Duke on September 05, 2021, 05:34:01 pm
/sitout

I'm not really going to be around today, so I'm okay with that. Should be here more tomorrow and going forward from there!
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Suzy Bishop on September 05, 2021, 10:02:34 pm
Okay I'm here and ready to talk to strategy!
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Sam Shakusky on September 05, 2021, 10:10:41 pm
Using this thread to test for forum delay is all I got.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Richie Tenenbaum on September 05, 2021, 10:22:08 pm
I think we shouldn't directly aim at any of the squares on the edge of the image so nobody has a miss that puts them off the target range entirely
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Herman Blume on September 05, 2021, 10:28:54 pm
I think Gustave was able to test out a shooting by clock method that was effective. We may be able to practice and take riskier shots. I think we need to determine a shooting order or at least our last couple shooters since that is the tiebreaker. Is anyone not going to be around closer to the end of the challenge?
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Suzy Bishop on September 05, 2021, 10:33:05 pm
I'm going to be here the whole time. I'll also be practicing quite a bit in my confessional.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Suzy Bishop on September 05, 2021, 10:41:36 pm
I've tried 10 times now and seems like 3/5 times it gets posted on the X1 seconds. Is it worth it to go for something like A4 where even if a mistake happens, it still gets 6 points?
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Herman Blume on September 05, 2021, 10:52:16 pm
Yes definitely. If everyone is able to practice, the people who are most confident should go last and aim for the corners or bullseye. I would like to go towards the beginning because I don't necessarily trust I'd be able to guarantee an accurate shot.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Richie Tenenbaum on September 05, 2021, 11:00:58 pm
What about practicing to hit a corner shot via a deliberate "miss"?  Like aiming at B2 but going for a 5 on the second counter so your shot is up and left.  That way you've got a chance at the high value swuare but a miss miss still lands on the board.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Richie Tenenbaum on September 05, 2021, 11:02:50 pm
B2 and F6, then B6 and F2, seem overall like the best shots to take for the value of the surrounding numbers.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 05, 2021, 11:04:47 pm
So I think purposefully aiming wrong could be a strategy here

For example if you aim at G7; 1 is 10 points, 2 is 0 points, and 0 is 0 points

But if you aim and G6 and aim for a 2; 2 is 10 points, 3 is 5 points, and 1 is 4 points


Also, it would put the correct shot and the complete miss fire shot apart from each other
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Richie Tenenbaum on September 05, 2021, 11:29:28 pm
After testing my "aim" trying to hit those elusive last digit seconds I've discovered my internet is not reliable enough and I'd like to be an early shooter
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 05, 2021, 11:32:28 pm
Apologies, last night was quite busy for me (as is today but it doesn't become busy for a few hours). The smartest thing would be to figure out what everyone's "range" seems to be and aim for spots where the 3-5 values add up to the most points I would guess. The players with the most consistent results in timing should go last, since they will have the most misfire spaces around. However I think we absolutely want to have the 10s and 15 as a possibility each and every time, getting all of those and the nines is the "perfect board". Alternatively we could skip the trying for 15 and try for the 4 10s and 4 9s and expect misses to work out well.

We really need someone with a degree in mathematics around for this.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Herman Blume on September 05, 2021, 11:36:16 pm
So I think purposefully aiming wrong could be a strategy here

For example if you aim at G7; 1 is 10 points, 2 is 0 points, and 0 is 0 points

But if you aim and G6 and aim for a 2; 2 is 10 points, 3 is 5 points, and 1 is 4 points


Also, it would put the correct shot and the complete miss fire shot apart from each other

I agree with this. It allows for the most profitable margin of error should you not hit the exact second you're trying for.

Most important thing is for everyone to practice and say what their level of confidence is so we can put our best shooters last.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Richie Tenenbaum on September 05, 2021, 11:38:58 pm
It's taking anywhere from 2 to 5 seconds for my posts to hit the board from the time I click, so I'll need to lead my shot and have a target where there's a healthy range of decent outcomes.  I'd definitely like to be aiming for the 3 to 5 second area so I'm not in danger of lagging all the way to a 0.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 05, 2021, 11:40:25 pm
It's taking anywhere from 2 to 5 seconds for my posts to hit the board from the time I click, so I'll need to lead my shot and have a target where there's a healthy range of decent outcomes.  I'd definitely like to be aiming for the 3 to 5 second area so I'm not in danger of lagging all the way to a 0.

If it's consistently 2-5 seconds that's fortuantely only a 3 seconds range at least. Anyway, performing some test shots then I shall get on my responses to everyone.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 05, 2021, 11:48:28 pm
Here to report I should be at the back of the order. 8/12 of my shots were at the exact right second, 4 of them being 1 second after where I intended.

Example: 8
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Herman Blume on September 06, 2021, 12:01:51 am
Here to report I should be at the back of the order. 8/12 of my shots were at the exact right second, 4 of them being 1 second after where I intended.

Example: 8

Look at this guy calling his shot like Babe Ruth. I am hitting post at what should be 0 seconds. Let's see how we do....
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 06, 2021, 12:40:25 am
Hmmm, I may try to help my aim. Checking the rules taking a shot at the center will either be a 15 or a 1 with my accuracy. I don't mind taking a risk and shooting soon if y'all prefer, since i think once the center is done everything else is grouped to have at least decent misses. Will try another 10 attempts in my confessional to gauge my confidence on such a move.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 06, 2021, 12:51:55 am
9/10 were accurate. I think I have this down.

Test: 5
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 06, 2021, 01:01:47 am
Another 9/10. I think it's worth risking the 1/10 for a 1 to get the 15 done and make everything easier, also I'm not sure how long this proper headspace will last.

Test: 7
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 06, 2021, 01:43:25 am
We should also keep track of how much we are 1 second off like writer

Will be practicing when I get home
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Kylie on September 06, 2021, 01:46:31 am
I'd like to try and shoot at the middle, if that's ok!

If someone else feels like they can do it, I don't mind switchying.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 06, 2021, 01:47:52 am
I just got 10 in a row, though I did have to recalibrate my aim a bit before that. I will try to be around late as if we are fine with me shooting for 15, it is best to have it happen at the very end based on the tiebreaker.

Test: 2
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Herman Blume on September 06, 2021, 02:00:07 am
Yes, you seem to be the best shot so I think having you aim at the bullseye last makes the most sense. Should we start making a shooting order and get this going?
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 06, 2021, 02:02:06 am
I'm awake now. Weren't we going to do some practice or discuss strategy first?
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 06, 2021, 02:02:21 am
If anyone wants to go between a 2 second margin they can go for one of the 9-6 spots
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 06, 2021, 02:03:43 am
Wait I'm confused, where are we practicing or attempting this?
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 06, 2021, 02:06:27 am
Um both?

We have to do this today
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 06, 2021, 02:08:28 am
Wait I'm confused, where are we practicing or attempting this?

I made a thread in my confessional for it

Test: 8
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 06, 2021, 02:08:59 am
The official attempt needs to be in the public thread though.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 06, 2021, 02:10:09 am
Okay so I'm happy to do stuff, but I need someone to describe what's the strategy here or how to do this.

I just post once for something, and then post again for something to be clear?
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 06, 2021, 02:10:26 am
It's one post?
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 06, 2021, 02:14:38 am
So I get that to aim you post

D2 or whatever, but what do you do to fire? That doesn't inherently make sense to me.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 06, 2021, 02:16:18 am
So to fire you just post. The seconds on the timestamp of your post determines what happens.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 06, 2021, 02:16:51 am
So for example if I were to go:

D2
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 06, 2021, 02:17:33 am
So for example if I were to go:

D2

Oh okay so that would have been a spot on D2 due to the number ending in :51?
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 06, 2021, 02:17:58 am
well I look at the seconds (51) which means it's an X1

which according to the chart is a Direct Hit! so we get D2 marked off. BUT if instead that was at 52 it'd miss low and hit D3.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 06, 2021, 02:18:41 am
well I look at the seconds (51) which means it's an X1

which according to the chart is a Direct Hit! so we get D2 marked off. BUT if instead that was at 52 it'd miss low and hit D3.

Thank you for taking the time to help me figure that out. I'm going to go practice for a bit in my confessional, promise I won't take long.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 06, 2021, 02:22:48 am
So I may have just figured out a strategy. I'm going to use my next post to test, make sure this is somehow not against the rules and then share.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 06, 2021, 02:23:20 am
If this works, buy me a bone
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 06, 2021, 02:23:41 am
Perhaps the 2nd time is the charm?
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 06, 2021, 02:25:31 am
Just to be sure that last one wasn't a fluke.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 06, 2021, 02:25:52 am
Okay so I'm not sure if this is allowed, but I actually figured out how to sync up my shots with the board timer.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Richie Tenenbaum on September 06, 2021, 02:28:57 am
My issue remains that my net lag is inconsistent so I'm not going to be aiming for one of the high priority targets that needs a direct hit and I'd like to go early in the rotation so you folks with better aim potential can avoid wherever I hit
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 06, 2021, 02:29:10 am
Based on a clock being allowed using the board timer is almost certainly even more allowed. I tend to use https://time.is/

Which if it isn't allowed for the actual attempt the mods should likely tell me.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 06, 2021, 02:30:01 am
Test shot
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 06, 2021, 02:30:33 am
Oh yeah using the board timer to sync this is easy. I just got 3/4, though I was a little trigger happy the first time I tried it because I was excited this was working.

Tail wag, bark bark.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 06, 2021, 02:35:55 am
I am off for a couple hours, I think I got almost everyone but I will be back around like an hour and a half before deadline, we should likely have people start taking shots relatively soon.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 06, 2021, 02:37:10 am
Yeah I can pretty consistently get that magic number. I just have to not get trigger happy. I'm ready to do this.

How I did the timer sync on the board, was that I was in my confessional and figured out what numbers correspond to the numbers that show up when I post.

So for example if at :x7 seconds I clicked "post" and got a time that ended in :x3, then I would know I needed to press "post" at :x9 in order to get a time that ends in :x1.

Not very complicated, what I will say is because of delay I had to wait a fracture of a second or so before posting so I didn't get the accidental :x0 time.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 06, 2021, 02:47:11 am
As a test post, TEST
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 06, 2021, 02:49:16 am
when it actually let me post I got 3 1s, 1 2, and 1 6 because my internet is terrible, but now it's starting to block my posts :I
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Sam Shakusky on September 06, 2021, 02:50:01 am
Only got the time to peak my head right now.

The planning looks good, I had been planning to use the board timer as well.

I'll shoot and catch up on messages like an hour before deadline. I don't want to be shooting the bullseye but other than that I'm good with whatever.

Test: 1
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 06, 2021, 02:50:01 am
Oh no that's not great.

Test post 2
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 06, 2021, 02:52:01 am
Test post bullseye!
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Herman Blume on September 06, 2021, 02:56:40 am
So based on what has been posted so far we have, I think, in no particular order yet:

Early shooters: me, Anthony, Richie, Kylie
Late shooters: Sam, Writer
Undecided: Oracle, Suzy, Gustave
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 06, 2021, 02:57:31 am
I'm good to go whenever. Also I feel pretty confident I can nail this.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 06, 2021, 02:59:43 am
I think I should go for the 9-6s at the moment, I hit 1 around 40% of the time but I can hit 1 or 2 80% of the time currently
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 06, 2021, 03:01:22 am
But it's getting close to deadline, so if it comes to it, we made need to shoot whenever available, even out of order
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 06, 2021, 03:07:41 am
If no one else wants to go for the bullseye I'd be happy to do it.

Test: Bullseye bark bark!
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Wes Anderson on September 06, 2021, 03:31:49 am
Okay so I'm not sure if this is allowed, but I actually figured out how to sync up my shots with the board timer.
Based on a clock being allowed using the board timer is almost certainly even more allowed. I tend to use https://time.is/

Which if it isn't allowed for the actual attempt the mods should likely tell me.
This is fine! As long as you are submitting the post yourself and don’t have a script doing it for you, you’re good.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Suzy Bishop on September 06, 2021, 03:41:27 am
I’m ready to go whenever! I was using a different clock I found online but I’m going to practice with the timer suggested.

I think I can hit the bullseye most times as well.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 06, 2021, 03:46:21 am
So with the 1 target per person rules, we can get a maximum of 91 if I've mathed it correctly. 15 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 9 + 9 + 9 + 9.

In my opinion, if you are not as confident maybe go for the 9s or 8s? If you are more confident and not going for the bullseye go for the 10s?

Just as a strategy thought.

Anyways I'm here till deadline. I'll go whenever.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 06, 2021, 03:57:41 am
We should prolly never aim directly for it so we don't hit a 0 going for a 1
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: M. Gustave on September 06, 2021, 04:15:50 am
i'm pretty confident in my timing, so i should probably go towards the end. all my tests have been about 1 second after my system clock.

test: 0
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: M. Gustave on September 06, 2021, 04:17:01 am
oh, sometimes it's actually less than one second, that complicates things... first time that's happened for me. perhaps i should be middle order.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 06, 2021, 04:17:50 am
We should probably get started then to make sure most of us get a shot. Does one of the early timers want to kick us off?

I'm happy to go later.

Test

And yeah don't jump the gun if you follow the timer sync strat. Wait like a hairline fraction longer than you normally would or it'll give you 0.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 06, 2021, 04:18:31 am
Well that was a fail test. Let me try again.

Test!
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Herman Blume on September 06, 2021, 04:34:41 am
I'll go first if no one else wants to just tell me where to aim. Testing for a 1....
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Richie Tenenbaum on September 06, 2021, 04:37:50 am
I can go first too, I'm going to try to get the ten at A1 10 via targeting the 8 at B2
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 06, 2021, 04:56:29 am
Fortunately your aim came through when the moment counted!
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: M. Gustave on September 06, 2021, 05:01:50 am
yes, well done richie! i'll be around for quite a while yet, so we can afford to hold my shot in reserve if we need to.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 06, 2021, 05:02:37 am
I have a feeling my internet is gonna mess things up at the worst time :I

Also, congrats
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Richie Tenenbaum on September 06, 2021, 05:04:30 am
That's why they call me Trick Shot Tenenbaum
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 06, 2021, 05:05:04 am
Going for the 15 diagonally might help if for some reason the loading is way off as it has a higher average that way.

Finally have a lot of time now :)
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 06, 2021, 05:12:23 am
We should only have one of the last people go for the 15 since the later we get it, the better we do on the tiebreaker
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Herman Blume on September 06, 2021, 05:15:52 am
Going to attempt my shot now. Aiming for B6, trying to miss and hit the 10
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Herman Blume on September 06, 2021, 05:19:23 am
Went 1 second early dammit
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 06, 2021, 05:23:42 am
2 down 7 to go. Who's next?
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: M. Gustave on September 06, 2021, 05:37:55 am
i'm getting pulled away to do stuff with a young relative. i don't know how long i'll be gone, so i'm going to shoot next. i'm going to try to hit g1 by missing f2.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: M. Gustave on September 06, 2021, 05:40:05 am
success! gl to everyone else, and i'll see you in a while.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 06, 2021, 05:42:29 am
I will go soon, am practicing right now
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 06, 2021, 05:49:28 am
:I There's like a 10% chance it goes around 4 seconds off from lag
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Suzy Bishop on September 06, 2021, 05:54:20 am
I can go after Anthony! good luck!!
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 06, 2021, 05:56:16 am
Ok, I had it around 70% on point and 30% 1 off, but then the internet started not working and so I think I'll wait for my internet to clear and now it's just random between 1 through 5 :I
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 06, 2021, 05:56:52 am
Ms. Bishop you can go if you want :I
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Suzy Bishop on September 06, 2021, 05:57:18 am
Okay! I'm going to practice for a couple more minutes and then try!

Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 06, 2021, 06:16:01 am
Okay so left is Anthony, Young Writer, Sam, Kylie and myself.

I believe we've hit 10, 10, 6, 5 for a total of 31 so far.

Probably good to go after the other two tens if possible but if you aren't feeling confident the 9 is probably safer.

I'm going to hop in the shower for a bit, but I'll only be gone 30 minutes or so.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 06, 2021, 06:17:28 am
I'm getting mainly 2/5
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 06, 2021, 06:19:11 am
So G6, might should be my shot?
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 06, 2021, 06:30:36 am
So G6, might should be my shot?

With the idea that you'll miss and get 1 below for the 10?
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 06, 2021, 06:35:12 am
If I go for the other 10 a 5 will get me off the board, but G6 will get me a 4 if 5 happens
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 06, 2021, 06:36:37 am
If I go for the other 10 a 5 will get me off the board, but G6 will get me a 4 if 5 happens

I see. That makes sense to me. I think at this point if you feel that is the best odds of getting that ten go for it.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Suzy Bishop on September 06, 2021, 06:39:46 am
Cheering you on!!
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 06, 2021, 06:46:48 am
I did it! :D :D :D
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Suzy Bishop on September 06, 2021, 06:47:26 am
Woooooot!
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Herman Blume on September 06, 2021, 06:51:50 am
Great shooting Anthony great job adapting to your internet issues. Has anyone heard from Kylie at all?
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 06, 2021, 06:54:48 am
Have not heard from Kylie.

Great job Anthony!!!

Young Writer, Sam or Kylie, any of you feel confident in going for the bullseye or the last 10?
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 06, 2021, 06:57:56 am
If my internet is the same i'm very confident in the bullseye
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 06, 2021, 07:01:44 am
If my internet is the same i'm very confident in the bullseye

I'm also quite confident in my internet right now. I've been practicing throughout and have pretty consistently gotten that 1. If you want the bullseye I can go for that last 10.

But we should see where Sam and Kylie are. How long are you around for?
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 06, 2021, 07:03:10 am
I am abput to be out at dinner atm but will return before deadlibe. Or i can fire now
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 06, 2021, 07:04:48 am
I am abput to be out at dinner atm but will return before deadlibe. Or i can fire now

Well as anthony pointed out the later we go for the bullseye the more likely we are to win the tiebreaker. So it just depends. If you are confident you will be back we can hold off, if not and you aren't sure if you'll be back, you could do the 10 now and I can do the bullseye later.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 06, 2021, 07:05:39 am
I'll just do the 10 now, otherwise dinner will be stress
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 06, 2021, 07:08:44 am
I'll just do the 10 now, otherwise dinner will be stress

Sounds good I'll keep practicing for the bullseye until Sam or Kylie respond.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 06, 2021, 07:16:57 am
So we hit all of the 10s? :D
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 06, 2021, 07:17:25 am
We sure did! Amazing job to all four of you!
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 06, 2021, 07:31:36 am
Just an fyi, I know we have less than an hour. I'm waiting for Sam and Kylie. If we don't hear from them in about 30-40 minutes I'll probably just go to secure the points.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Sam Shakusky on September 06, 2021, 07:48:31 am
Gonna shoot once when I figure out where to aim.

(I'm not shooting the bullseye)
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 06, 2021, 07:49:31 am
Gonna shoot once when I figure out where to aim.

(I'm not shooting the bullseye)

Hey Sam! Welcome. All 10s have been claimed and you can see the board for where the other two shots ended up. I'm going to be going for the bullseye, if you could see how you do and go for one of the 9s if you feel confident! Tail wag.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 06, 2021, 07:51:08 am
There are two general strategies that were discussed. Let me know if you need me to find and requote them to help.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Kylie on September 06, 2021, 07:52:39 am
I'm sorry, I just missed it, I did a bunch of practice in my confessional :c
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 06, 2021, 07:55:35 am
You tried. It was close. That's how it goes sometimes. I'll just have to make sure I hit it! :)
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Sam Shakusky on September 06, 2021, 07:57:43 am
Oracle, are you sure sure that you're gonna hit the bullseye?
Like should I save my shot for after you in case you miss since we're the only ones with shots left?
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 06, 2021, 07:59:56 am
Oracle, are you sure sure that you're gonna hit the bullseye?
Like should I save my shot for after you in case you miss since we're the only ones with shots left?

At this point it's just you and me.

I have practiced in private 36 times and gotten a time with 1 31 times. I fixed an error early on when I got 3 0s and was consistent until just moments ago when I mysteriously got a couple 2s.

I'm going to practice a little bit longer. But 31/36 is pretty good.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 06, 2021, 08:01:19 am
If you think it's better for me to go now and then you, let me know.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Sam Shakusky on September 06, 2021, 08:02:15 am
I went for D1 and missed oops. Luckily only 3 points lost.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 06, 2021, 08:03:14 am
Okay wish me luck all. I'm going to practice a couple more times just to be safe.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: M. Gustave on September 06, 2021, 08:03:52 am
good luck dog, hit that bullseye dead center!
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 06, 2021, 08:07:28 am
So I was about to shoot and Wes Anderson did a duplicate post so it didn't post. I'm waiting for him to stop so I can go.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 06, 2021, 08:08:56 am
Ah, if that happened to me, it would be hard to get the courage to try again :I
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 06, 2021, 08:12:11 am
Oh my god I'm shaking.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 06, 2021, 08:15:44 am
Well we got all 4 10s and the 15. Everyone participated. We did our best. Good luck team!
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: M. Gustave on September 06, 2021, 08:19:41 am
yes, well done and great shooting! even when we didn't hit what we wanted, we planned it out well enough that those misses still got us a decent number of points. credit to all the people who were active in planning.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Sam Shakusky on September 06, 2021, 08:22:34 am
I would be rather surprised if 73/91 loses.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 06, 2021, 08:23:12 am
I would be rather surprised if 73/91 loses.

I was really hoping we'd hit at least 70 and we got there! Tail wag.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Richie Tenenbaum on September 06, 2021, 08:31:49 am
Great job sharpshooters.  Win or lose that was an awesome team effort.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Suzy Bishop on September 06, 2021, 08:38:52 am
I still think we did a really great job team. It does sting a lot to lose by a mere 1 point :(
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 06, 2021, 08:47:57 am
I finished dinner but am very preoccupied tonight, good thing I fired before I left. The defeat by such a slim margin is regrettable, but we must go on.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 06, 2021, 08:51:50 am
I need to step away for a few minutes. I put a lot of pressure on myself to get the bullseye and I need to take a few minutes to de stress.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 06, 2021, 08:53:25 am
Go do that, Oracle, you did great :)
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Suzy Bishop on September 06, 2021, 09:25:01 am
My internet is being a bit weird so I will be back later after dinner to also figure this out. Glad it held up ok for the challenge.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Herman Blume on September 07, 2021, 12:17:16 am
Going to be out at the aquarium most of the day, will reply to messages when I get back
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 07, 2021, 01:22:56 am
Ah, I do hope we funded it enough for it to be marvelous! :P
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 07, 2021, 03:44:37 am
Ah, I do hope we funded it enough for it to be marvelous! :P

Bark bark! You beat me to the joke darn it!
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 07, 2021, 04:11:32 am
Apologies compatriots. I should be on periodically today until about 30 minutes until deadline, at which point I must depart for Literature and Lassos, my weekly book club where we also compete in rodeo to determine who chooses the book for next week.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Suzy Bishop on September 07, 2021, 07:43:06 am
I’m going to a dinner with a friend visiting from out of town! I’m not sure when I’ll be back and won’t really be checking what’s going on.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 07, 2021, 08:42:51 am
Hey everyone! Looks like we get to be part of the camp another round hooray!

As a note, I am not available at the time of the live challenge, so if others are around and able to do this I would gladly volunteer not to be one of the 5 going.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 07, 2021, 08:44:49 am
Given my internet issues, I don't think it would be wise for me to do a real-time battle. :I
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Richie Tenenbaum on September 07, 2021, 08:48:54 am
I am available for the challenge time tomorrow so put me in coach
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Duke on September 07, 2021, 08:53:06 am
I don't want to sit out of two in a row, so count me in for this one.

I'm having a little difficulty understanding the rules exactly, but I assume we can discuss it?
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Richie Tenenbaum on September 07, 2021, 09:04:35 am
If I'm understanding this correctly, the main point scoring is by empty quoting numbers divisible by 3 on the active pages (10, 15 and 20) in the live challenge thread.  Elsewise this is mostly a shitposting challenge.

We can divvy up responsibilities among our five though.  Like, initial suggestion: two people be responsible for posting agreed upon divisible by 3 numbers and two others responsible for watching for and empty quoting those specific posts.  Then the fifth person is a floater there to try to snipe scoring numbers posted by the other team.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Herman Blume on September 07, 2021, 09:32:56 am
I definitely need to sit this challenge out because A.) I can't guarantee I'd be free at that exact time and 2.) I would not be able to post fast enough on just a phone.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 07, 2021, 09:35:05 am
Y'all know the add the digits trick, right?
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: M. Gustave on September 07, 2021, 09:36:38 am
i'll contribute to this challenge. i think richie is reading the challenge correctly.

i'm not sure my reaction time is elite, so i'd probably be best as a number poster rather than as a quoter or 'sniper.'

pedit: thank you for reminding me about that anthony, that'll help a lot for everyone
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 07, 2021, 09:47:32 am
Here is what we have so far:

Definitely in for the challenge: Richie, Duke, Gustave
Definitely sitting out for the challenge: Oracle, Herman, Anthony
Not yet responded: Suzy, Sam, Young Writer

2 of the not yet responded people need to participate or someone in the sitting out category is going to have to go in.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 07, 2021, 09:58:24 am
Unfortunately I will be unable to participate at deadline tomorrow.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 07, 2021, 10:28:37 am
So we first need to ask if Sam and Suzy are both available and able to participate, and then I think if one or both cannot two of us are going to have to bite the bullet and attempt it.

I personally will not be available due to to work that ends approximately one and a half hours after the deadline is over.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Sam Shakusky on September 07, 2021, 10:42:07 am
I am a big question mark on availability that time tomorrow but have a higher chance of making it work than the people who've already requested to sit out.

Basically count me as in but if I don't show up have Anthony sub.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 07, 2021, 10:45:32 am
:) Okay
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 07, 2021, 10:46:59 am
So to add to the adding digits trick you can ignore any 0, 3, 6 or 9 while adding since it has no effect on the remainder; if it only contains those, then it's a multiple of 3, I believe
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 07, 2021, 10:59:00 am
Currently:

Definitely in for the challenge: Richie, Duke, Gustave
Should be here for the challenge: Sam
Back up in case someone isn't here for challenge: Anthony
Definitely sitting out for the challenge: Oracle, Herman, Young Writer
Not yet responded: Suzy

We shall see what Suzy says.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 07, 2021, 11:08:51 am
A most interesting and somewhat dissapointing occurence has happened. After returning home in my inventory someone sent me both the dog flu serum and the schematics. Unfortunately the mods won't confirm to me who sent them, and I can only assume they were sent to me to publically disclose what they did.

The Dog Flu Serum was a complete and utter dud, containing flavor text equivalent to my pocket knife. The Schematics themselves was a slight hint to the next challenge, mentioning that anyone who purposely misfires might actually provide a small personal benefit to players if they can reuse the bullets.

The latter is interesting as I don't believe anyone on our tribe misfired here (so thank you whoever had this for not purposely throwing away your shot), but one person did misfire on the other tribe...so we should look out for them.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Suzy Bishop on September 07, 2021, 11:14:32 am
I’m waiting for the train to come home. I can participate in the challenge but haven’t read any of the rules or such.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: M. Gustave on September 07, 2021, 11:22:27 am
that's some interesting information, writer. i think it was peter who misfired, or am i remembering wrong?

the question is who you got that stuff from. could kylie have handed it over before she was voted out? that would require her to have actually bid on items instead of putting all 500 in, like i had previously assumed.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 07, 2021, 11:25:31 am
that's some interesting information, writer. i think it was peter who misfired, or am i remembering wrong?

the question is who you got that stuff from. could kylie have handed it over before she was voted out? that would require her to have actually bid on items instead of putting all 500 in, like i had previously assumed.

The Timestamp from the mods is about 10 minutes after deadline, so I would say while possible with execessive mod delays, it's unlikely Kylie sent them.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Richie Tenenbaum on September 07, 2021, 11:27:16 am
I don't believe Kylie was online at all today so it seems extremely unlikely.

Looking back at the challenge, it's not clear if Peter's miss was a misfire or not.  It's described as missing the target area, rather than misfiring.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 07, 2021, 11:27:37 am
Also, both of the items are useless to whoever had them now, so that prolly isn't a coincidence

... I suppose that means they have 3 useful items then?
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 07, 2021, 11:34:21 am
Oh wow I just saw all of this. Once again Young Writer thank you for confirming all of this. The more information we have on this tribe about those items the better.

So that means we know two items were duds, one was maybe useful if the person who had it had actually outed it. Kind of weird to be honest. A lot of why and how this happened doesn't make a lot of sense.

Either way, at least we know as a tribe.

Okay so as far as the challenge goes it sounds like Suzy, Gustave, Richie and Duke for sure will participate. Sam in theory will participate, but in case Sam isn't here Anthony is on standby to sub in?

I'm going to read over the challenge momentarily and give my thoughts after, but it sounds like you all have already started giving out thoughts and ideas.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 07, 2021, 12:01:46 pm
By the way I'm eating right now I'll respond to people after I'm done.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 07, 2021, 02:23:43 pm
Okay so I have an idea for this challenge that should give us a strategic advantage.

The main time sink of this challenge seems to be from figuring out what to post, and deciphering posts by the other tribe. As such this challenge is easiest if we break it up into a couple roles.
As such I suggest we have 2 Posters, 2 Decipherers/Scouts, and one Cherry Picker.

The Posters will post numbers, but should have some sort of predetermined behavior/lists of numbers already made (such as one only posting multiples of 3). The Cherry Picker will quote all of the posts from our side that are multiples of 3, which they should be able to do way faster than the other tribe.

The Decipherers/Scouts will have the hard job of figuring out which of the opponents posts to quote, and should be very careful to note any patterns in their posting habits, since if we're doing it, they might be as well.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: M. Gustave on September 07, 2021, 03:54:09 pm
i'll be a poster, if nobody minds. i was thinking of, for my first post and every three after that (posts 1, 4, 7, ...) i would include a multiple of 3, and for the rest they would be decoy numbers. does anyone think that's too simple of a pattern? i wouldn't want anybody on our side to get confused by my stuff, but opponents stealing our points is just as bad.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Duke on September 07, 2021, 07:54:38 pm
can I have the dog flu serum

dog flu is a big thing on the isle of dogs
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Duke on September 07, 2021, 07:55:50 pm
From what I read on the thread, the posts you quote have to be on that same page, right? And there's only 25 posts total allowed there. I think speed is going to be so important that it's not worth combing through the opponents' posts for multiples of three - it's more important to have everyone working together to score our own guaranteed points.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Richie Tenenbaum on September 08, 2021, 02:58:54 am
I agree with duke that it's going to come down to speed since all points are scored on specific pages.  But I still think we should have at least one scout aiming to pick off scoring posts from the other tribe.  I can take on that role, I'm reasonably confident in my mental arithmetic to quickly crunch the digit counting method.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Richie Tenenbaum on September 08, 2021, 07:07:41 am
I'm home from work now and will be around through the challenge time.  Does anyone want to try some practice in a new tribal thread between now and then?  Our non participating players can jump in there to act as the opposition?
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: M. Gustave on September 08, 2021, 07:14:37 am
our participants are: me, richie, duke, suzy, and sam, with anthony as backup. is that correct?

i'd be down to practice if you want, but it seems a little weak if we don't have a full contingent of people.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 08, 2021, 07:15:19 am
I can be opposition, if you want.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Duke on September 08, 2021, 07:15:31 am
i'll be a poster, if nobody minds. i was thinking of, for my first post and every three after that (posts 1, 4, 7, ...) i would include a multiple of 3, and for the rest they would be decoy numbers. does anyone think that's too simple of a pattern? i wouldn't want anybody on our side to get confused by my stuff, but opponents stealing our points is just as bad.

I think an easier rule would be something like 'if there is a 5 or a 4 as the 4th digit, the number is divisible by three'

so have a list of numbers ready that fit that pattern, and then just throw in random spam outside of that

Either that or for the very first time we do it, we just have it so every post is a multiple of three and try to go quickly enough with the quotes that by the time they've figured that out, the page is already over, and then we can switch up our strategy after that?
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Duke on September 08, 2021, 07:17:11 am
Can do a test run, whatever the case.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: M. Gustave on September 08, 2021, 07:22:29 am
i like your first idea best, duke. so attention everybody!

whenever i post a number, if the fourth digit is a 4 or a 5, know that it is a good number to quote!

i'll make a reference post full of goods and bads next. how many digits do you think would be a good size? i'm thinking six or seven.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 08, 2021, 07:22:43 am
We should go for a decent number of multiples of 3 so that we can get more self points, no?
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Duke on September 08, 2021, 07:26:51 am
i'll make a reference post full of goods and bads next. how many digits do you think would be a good size? i'm thinking six or seven.

Has to be under 100,000, so we'll have to go with 5 maximum. I think going five every time is the way to go though, just to make it a bit more difficult for them.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Wes Anderson on September 08, 2021, 07:30:45 am
From what I’m seeing, you all understand the challenge correctly, but to be completely safe, here is some additional explanation:

To earn points a multiple of 3 will have to be posted on page 10 and then also quoted on page 10, or posted on page 15 and also quoted on page 15, etc. Quoting a multiple of three from a previous page is a neutral move (+0), just like quoting a multiple of 3 that someone already quoted.

You can repeat the same number all you want. You could do the whole challenge solely using the number 3. As long as your are the first to quote a particular post from page 10 onto page 10, etc, you will earn points.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Suzy Bishop on September 08, 2021, 07:31:06 am
I'm reading the rules but feeling so so confused. I'd love to practice if we can??
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: M. Gustave on September 08, 2021, 07:32:27 am
thanks for that duke, i missed that rule. 5 digits it is.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 08, 2021, 07:35:16 am
Hmm

What if instead of signaling safe numbers in the numbers, we signal them on non active pages, well, that might be too confusing, scratch that :I
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Suzy Bishop on September 08, 2021, 07:39:53 am
I don't know if we've fully organized the roles yet but I'd like to be a number poster as well because I do not trust my ability to do math quickly.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: M. Gustave on September 08, 2021, 07:43:43 am
my numbers thread is up now, btw. feel free to use it for yourself or make a list of your own.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Duke on September 08, 2021, 07:44:03 am
The more I think about this, the more I think the first contested page (Page 10) we should just do all divisible by three. Have two players shadowing our own posters, one each, and *immediately* quoting anything they see their assigned person post. And have the last person try to snipe quote the other side.

And then for page 15 we go to the 4th digit being 4/5 strategy? And hopefully they've been lulled into thinking everything we post will be divisible by 3, so we can start out with something wrong and see if they trip up.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Duke on September 08, 2021, 07:47:40 am
So something like:

On page 10, M. Gustave and Suzy make as many posts as possible which are *all* divisible by 3. I'm constantly refreshing and watching for Gustave's posts, and Sam/Anthony (whoever is here) is constantly refreshing and watching for Suzy's posts, with both of us immediately quoting any we see. Richie is trying to find correct numbers posted by the other side.

On page 15, M. Gustave and Suzy both start off with a wrong number, then vary it up, making sure to keep to the 'only divisible by 3 if the 4th digit is 4 or 5' scheme. I'll watch out for those and immediately quote the ones that fit, Sam/Anthony will switch to being a decipherer and will aim to snipe the other side's numbers alongside Richie.

Keep that pattern for page 20.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 08, 2021, 07:47:52 am
And then... we can go back to everything being multiples of 3 on page 20 :P
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: M. Gustave on September 08, 2021, 07:49:05 am
i definitely like this plan from duke, and would be happy to do it.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Suzy Bishop on September 08, 2021, 07:51:13 am
I will also be using the numbers that M. Gustave put together!
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: M. Gustave on September 08, 2021, 07:55:23 am
about half an hour until the start - make sure you're situated and won't have to get up for a few minutes if at all possible!
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Richie Tenenbaum on September 08, 2021, 07:56:20 am
I like it!  Keep in mind that there is a flood control on posting frequency too.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Duke on September 08, 2021, 07:58:42 am
Yeah, 10s I think? Might be worth the posters making sure their assigned quoter posted at least 10 seconds ago before posting the next one (on Page 10, after that it's probably fine). Although that's a bit of a hard thing to calculate exactly.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Duke on September 08, 2021, 07:59:43 am
I think we should definitely have a list of bad numbers too, just to make sure we don't accidentally post a multiple of three when not meaning to
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Sam Shakusky on September 08, 2021, 08:00:13 am
Eating supper now so will be here to play and glance at strategy talk first.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Richie Tenenbaum on September 08, 2021, 08:01:34 am
The one spot in the strat I see where flood control could be an issue is the page 15 variation where Duke is the only one quoting our correct numbers.  Smanthony and I should both be watching on that page for Duke's quote posts and go ahead and quote M. Gustave and Suzy's scoring numbers if they come immediately after Duke has posted.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Duke on September 08, 2021, 08:02:14 am
Good spot! Agreed, that makes sense.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Richie Tenenbaum on September 08, 2021, 08:02:48 am
I'll also be trying to monitor what the other tribe is doing because my best sniping opportunities are going to be if they've got assigned quoters hitting the flood control
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Richie Tenenbaum on September 08, 2021, 08:03:53 am
If I'm not mistaken, our non-participants are still allowed to comment in our tribal threads with strategy right?  So anyone else who is here during the challenge can take notes here if they notice a pattern in the other tribe's activity on the scoring pages.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Wes Anderson on September 08, 2021, 08:08:48 am
If I'm not mistaken, our non-participants are still allowed to comment in our tribal threads with strategy right?  So anyone else who is here during the challenge can take notes here if they notice a pattern in the other tribe's activity on the scoring pages.
That’s right, they just can’t post in the challenge thread, but they can comment here.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 08, 2021, 08:10:19 am
If the challenge is still going in 2 hours I can take a look, however I will be at work until then and I can’t be on my phone at work.

You all are smart and I trust you. I don’t have anything to contribute beyond what has been said which is why I’ve been a tad quieter this round. If it’s still going and I notice anything by the time I’m around I will be sure to post it!
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Richie Tenenbaum on September 08, 2021, 08:13:46 am
Thanks Oracle, but if this live challenge takes two hours something has gone terribly wrong
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 08, 2021, 08:15:22 am
A stalemate on who will get the last post on page 9 could be theoretically possible, no? :P
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Richie Tenenbaum on September 08, 2021, 08:16:47 am
That's true, being the final post on a page preceding a score page is a disadvantage because of the 10 second flood control
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: M. Gustave on September 08, 2021, 08:17:32 am
that's when we coordinate a two-pronged (or three-pronged) simultaneous post. gotta get that bonus point!
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 08, 2021, 08:18:13 am
Also, we want the quoters to have a post lined up
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Duke on September 08, 2021, 08:19:29 am
So we're playing Gustave, Suzy, Duke, Sam, and Richie, correct?
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Sam Shakusky on September 08, 2021, 08:21:48 am
I believe so.

I plan to try to quote stuff and will add up the digits of whatever I see since that's gonna be faster for me than trying to memorize the numbers.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: M. Gustave on September 08, 2021, 08:23:12 am
yes, assuming sam finished his dinner. who's shadowing who?

@sam: on page 10 we'll be posting only multiples of 3, so you can quote any of them. pages 15 and 20 we'll be mixing it up, but the any time the 4th digit is a 4 or a 5, it is correct.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Sam Shakusky on September 08, 2021, 08:25:05 am
Okay.


@Anthony if you're still here do you want to be on score counting duty? If we're significantly ahead going into page 20 we may want to just all spam bad numbers.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Duke on September 08, 2021, 08:25:14 am
Strategy overview:

Gustave: Poster
Suzy: Poster
Duke: Quoter
Sam: Quoter (page 10), Sniper (page 15, 20)
Richie: Sniper

ON PAGE 10
All posts made by Suzy and Gustave will be multiples of 3
Duke shadows Gustave, Sam shadows Suzy (constantly refresh and immediately quote if you see the person you are shadowing post. Do not do anything else)
Posters should wait until 10s after their quoter has posted to post again
Richie attempts to snipe enemy numbers which are divisible by 3

ON PAGE 15
Only numbers with a 4 or a 5 as the 4th digit will be divisible by 3; Suzy and Gustave will post these, Duke will quote
Sam switches to Sniping, Sam and Richie attempt to snipe the other side's posts when divisible by 3. If Duke has posted recently and a friendly number comes up, please take it too!

ON PAGE 20
see page 15


All throughout - whenever it's not close to being the next contested page (say, if we're on page 16 or such) check in on this thread and discuss.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Richie Tenenbaum on September 08, 2021, 08:26:43 am
That's a good idea Sam, if we take a lead into the final page we can win just by finishing the page as fast as possible
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Duke on September 08, 2021, 08:27:00 am
We need a list of bad numbers still... That's quite important for the posters!
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Suzy Bishop on September 08, 2021, 08:29:02 am
I posted a few bad numbers and will be formulating some more.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Duke on September 08, 2021, 08:29:25 am
Thank you!
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Duke on September 08, 2021, 08:29:52 am
Meanwhile it's go time... probably have a while til it reaches page 10 but on yer marks, all :D
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Duke on September 08, 2021, 08:31:32 am
Oh man, is there any way to bypass the 'while you were typing a new reply was posted' thing? I hadn't considered that!
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 08, 2021, 08:32:21 am
Create an alt account :P

Don't do that
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Richie Tenenbaum on September 08, 2021, 08:32:48 am
I don't think there is Duke I'm looking now too
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Duke on September 08, 2021, 08:33:30 am
I guess we just gotta mash through on that front
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 08, 2021, 08:34:36 am
Yeah, quoters should be ready for page 10 though :)
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Richie Tenenbaum on September 08, 2021, 08:35:30 am
At least it's effecting both sides equally
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 08, 2021, 08:36:43 am
Yeah, but save some stamina, you can let the other tribe post. :P
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Richie Tenenbaum on September 08, 2021, 08:37:29 am
My word that thing is annoying though
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Suzy Bishop on September 08, 2021, 08:37:52 am
it's so annoying!
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: M. Gustave on September 08, 2021, 08:39:48 am
agreed on all fronts
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Suzy Bishop on September 08, 2021, 08:40:01 am
page 8
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Suzy Bishop on September 08, 2021, 08:41:22 am
page 9 alert
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 08, 2021, 08:43:53 am
Imma tally scores real quick
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: M. Gustave on September 08, 2021, 08:44:06 am
wow that went by quickly
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Richie Tenenbaum on September 08, 2021, 08:44:29 am
I think I sniped Buckley's 3?  This challenge is lightning fast.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Sam Shakusky on September 08, 2021, 08:44:47 am
I feel like I'm bad at this lol
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Suzy Bishop on September 08, 2021, 08:44:58 am
I did not expect it to be so fast!!!
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: M. Gustave on September 08, 2021, 08:45:09 am
i think duke got mine, all two of them
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 08, 2021, 08:46:09 am
1333333

3333333

Leading by 2 I think
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Duke on September 08, 2021, 08:46:15 am
Given how fast it goes - next round, Suzy open with a wrong one, Gustave open with a correct one. I'll quote Gustave. Then do whatever
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 08, 2021, 08:46:53 am
Also, they appear to be posting "3s" so watch out for those Richie :)
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: M. Gustave on September 08, 2021, 08:47:16 am
understood
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 08, 2021, 08:47:22 am
Of course, they may change that :P
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Suzy Bishop on September 08, 2021, 08:48:47 am
okay, I will try my best! it's hard to anticipate when the page will flip over
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: M. Gustave on September 08, 2021, 08:51:22 am
god this challenge is nuts
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Richie Tenenbaum on September 08, 2021, 08:51:32 am
ahhhh I just want to post I don't care how many other posts ahhhhhhh
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 08, 2021, 08:51:52 am
1333333333

333333333333

I may have hit repeats on page one, I realised
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Sam Shakusky on September 08, 2021, 08:52:07 am
We definitely won page 15, idk by how much.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Duke on September 08, 2021, 08:52:25 am
It looks like we're winning to me? But it also looks like their offence is not doing well at all. I think we should revert to everything being correct for 20
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: M. Gustave on September 08, 2021, 08:53:07 am
heard
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: M. Gustave on September 08, 2021, 08:53:22 am
five-star pagetop
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 08, 2021, 08:54:46 am
13333333

3333333333

Without repeats, I am rushing though, no promises
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: M. Gustave on September 08, 2021, 08:58:41 am
and it's over
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Suzy Bishop on September 08, 2021, 08:59:16 am
wow that was something
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Duke on September 08, 2021, 08:59:38 am
Sorry about that last one, I got stunlocked by the 10s limit so they sniped one... I think we still got it though?
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 08, 2021, 08:59:49 am
13333333333

333333333333333

As long as I didn't mess up by 4, we should be good :P
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Duke on September 08, 2021, 08:59:58 am
That was pretty damn intense, good job team whatever the result ends up being
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Richie Tenenbaum on September 08, 2021, 09:00:02 am
I laughed when I saw Suzy and M. Gustave post the exact same number back to back

...then I cried when I couldn't successfully post a quote of one of them til the page was already over
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: M. Gustave on September 08, 2021, 09:00:56 am
sam did especially well on page 20 i think, he was right on my posts from what i could tell

pedit: i laughed too, richie!
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Suzy Bishop on September 08, 2021, 09:01:02 am
Lol I just saw that!!! I am so relieved this is over
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 08, 2021, 09:02:37 am
Doing the on-second calculating helped with my second hand stress.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Richie Tenenbaum on September 08, 2021, 09:04:07 am
AA that was invaluable thank you!  I don't think we can call that a sit out for you, you were definitely participating in the challenge with us.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 08, 2021, 09:05:54 am
You're making me blush :I :)
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Duke on September 08, 2021, 09:10:45 am
Hell yeah team!

My paws can finally stop shaking now :P
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Sam Shakusky on September 08, 2021, 09:11:12 am
Yayyyyy

Ill try to catch up on messages in a couple hours.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Duke on September 08, 2021, 09:11:44 am
It's extremely late here on the Isle of Dogs so I'm going to sleep; sorry to those of you I haven't messaged back yet! Will reply in the morning.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: M. Gustave on September 08, 2021, 09:12:10 am
yessss, great job from everybody! sleep well, duke.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Suzy Bishop on September 08, 2021, 09:12:35 am
Good effort everyone!!!! Glad we have a night of rest!
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Richie Tenenbaum on September 08, 2021, 09:12:55 am
Amazing job everyone!  I'm also going to take a breather before checking on correspondence.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 08, 2021, 09:14:37 am
:D, I got the gap right, but was 6 points off
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 08, 2021, 09:16:38 am
On my mobile phone but good job team. It seems you were "built different" as the memes do proclaim.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 08, 2021, 09:19:11 am
I’m leaving now I’ll be around in about 40 minutes or so. But I had to know how we did but incredible job everyone! Amazing team effort! My tail is wagging so hard!!!
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Herman Blume on September 08, 2021, 09:27:18 am
Great job, everyone! More great planning and teamwork.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 09, 2021, 06:57:24 am
Ok, everyone got the announcement?
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 09, 2021, 07:30:27 am
Ok, everyone got the announcement?
No?
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 09, 2021, 07:30:54 am
NOTICE: OPENING PORTION OF NEXT CHALLENGE BEGINS IMMEDIATELY AFTER TRIBAL COUNCIL. This portion will only consist of one simple submission from your tribe. You will have 4 hours to discuss and submit.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 09, 2021, 07:31:26 am
Where is that?
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 09, 2021, 07:31:52 am
Oh they put it in the banner and not in announcements
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Richie Tenenbaum on September 09, 2021, 07:32:27 am
Yes, the banner that has been question prompts is now an announcement for a challenge submissions we'll need to decide on within 4 hours tonight.  I'll be around immediately after deadline.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 09, 2021, 07:35:54 am
I will be busy for most of it, but I'll do what I can. :I
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 09, 2021, 07:38:52 am
I also missed it and immediately went to the announcement board. I should be around about 30 minutes after this starts and will do my best to be present for the duration after!!!
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 09, 2021, 08:38:53 am
Holy WIFOM hell. I’ll think about this a bit and get back with thoughts. I don’t know if there’s even a good strategy to this. It just seems like luck mostly.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Sam Shakusky on September 09, 2021, 08:39:29 am
My first instinct is to make our code 44444. Not sure if it's good or not yet.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 09, 2021, 08:42:52 am
My first instinct is to make our code 44444. Not sure if it's good or not yet.
it’s bad if their first guesses are 01234 and 56789 because they would get 1 right and know all the rest of the digits.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Sam Shakusky on September 09, 2021, 08:44:45 am
I do not comprehend.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Sam Shakusky on September 09, 2021, 08:46:49 am
Like when they're sent 44444, I don't think they can gleam much information out of it? Like the order of the digits is completely arbitrary from their perspective.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 09, 2021, 08:46:58 am
If they guess 01234 they would get told “1 correct the rest wrong” then they guess 56789 and get told “0 right”

Then they know its 00000, 11111, 22222, 33333 or 44444

Unless I don’t comprehend something about this challenge.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 09, 2021, 08:47:13 am
Wait so the other tribe seems to be guessing the combo that was rng'd we just determine what to shuffle it to?
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Sam Shakusky on September 09, 2021, 08:48:09 am
Wait so the other tribe seems to be guessing the combo that was rng'd we just determine what to shuffle it to?
This is my understanding of the challenge.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 09, 2021, 08:51:23 am
If that is the case 44444 is valid and probably works.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 09, 2021, 08:53:49 am
I thought I just gave a reasonable suggestion why that’s not the best idea. Have I missed something in my logic?
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Sam Shakusky on September 09, 2021, 08:56:34 am
I thought I just gave a reasonable suggestion why that’s not the best idea. Have I missed something in my logic?
I think(?) they are trying to guess the number in our challenge thread from our shuffled number.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 09, 2021, 08:58:17 am
I thought I just gave a reasonable suggestion why that’s not the best idea. Have I missed something in my logic?
I think(?) they are trying to guess the number in our challenge thread from our shuffled number.

Hmm okay. I think I see my confusion. Let me think a bit more and I’ll get back about this. I’m around until this is due so I’ll give it a look again and see if there is a better idea.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 09, 2021, 09:02:01 am
Side Note, mods have given us a spreadsheet we can use for guesses/theory. BE SURE TO ONLY VIEW IT IN INCOGNITO MODE TO KEEP YOURSELF ANONYMOUS: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KFY5dMQ4KnfKPZ987Y71Li2Nc-fOCNfY2usbTBNtlJQ/edit#gid=0
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Richie Tenenbaum on September 09, 2021, 09:02:19 am
I'll read the challenge post and chime in momentarily
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Richie Tenenbaum on September 09, 2021, 09:04:48 am
So, in reference to Sam's all 4 strategy, for the tiebreaker wouldn't all 9s be better?
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Wes Anderson on September 09, 2021, 09:05:18 am
Side Note, mods have given us a spreadsheet we can use for guesses/theory. BE SURE TO ONLY VIEW IT IN INCOGNITO MODE TO KEEP YOURSELF ANONYMOUS: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KFY5dMQ4KnfKPZ987Y71Li2Nc-fOCNfY2usbTBNtlJQ/edit#gid=0
like Young Writer said......... INCOGNITO ONLY!!!!! BEWARE exposing your ID accidentally!!!!
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 09, 2021, 09:05:48 am
I think it's likely the first 2 guesses are gonna be 01234+56789 or 12345+67890

So we should avoid  putting 0 1 5 6 as the first digit, 1 2 6 7 as the second digit ect., no? Since we don't want to give exact placements?
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Wes Anderson on September 09, 2021, 09:07:33 am
So, in reference to Sam's all 4 strategy, for the tiebreaker wouldn't all 9s be better?
Do keep in mind, you can't simply scramble to any number you want.  It has to be 15 turns from your original number.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 09, 2021, 09:09:15 am
So, in reference to Sam's all 4 strategy, for the tiebreaker wouldn't all 9s be better?

It's unclear which number is the one that tiebreaks but all 9s isn't reachable from our combination.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 09, 2021, 09:12:26 am
I think it's likely the first 2 guesses are gonna be 01234+56789 or 12345+67890

So we should avoid  putting 0 1 5 6 as the first digit, 1 2 6 7 as the second digit ect., no? Since we don't want to give exact placements?
I absolutely agree with you on one condition. Don’t do the exact reverse either if possible.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 09, 2021, 09:14:47 am
I think it's likely the first 2 guesses are gonna be 01234+56789 or 12345+67890

So we should avoid  putting 0 1 5 6 as the first digit, 1 2 6 7 as the second digit ect., no? Since we don't want to give exact placements?

Once again, they aren't guessing the number we scramble to I don't think
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Wes Anderson on September 09, 2021, 09:16:09 am
I think it's likely the first 2 guesses are gonna be 01234+56789 or 12345+67890

So we should avoid  putting 0 1 5 6 as the first digit, 1 2 6 7 as the second digit ect., no? Since we don't want to give exact placements?

Once again, they aren't guessing the number we scramble to I don't think
They will be given your scrambled number and will have to work back to your original number.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 09, 2021, 09:17:59 am
To be clear the “secret combination number” is the “original number”?
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Wes Anderson on September 09, 2021, 09:18:18 am
yep!
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 09, 2021, 09:23:41 am
So the strategy for guessing once without considering the 15 clicks is rather simple.

Guess 01234 then 56789 and keep doing combinations until you have all 5 digits, then start shift that guess with all 5 correct digits over one until you have enough info about "correct placements' to just have the combination (or maybe some more efficient way to do it still working it out).

The real question is where we implement the 15 clicks. I'm not sure it's important in the first two guesses, but every guess after should be a valid combination at the least.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 09, 2021, 09:24:04 am
So I have a weird WIFOM thought, why don’t we leave the number as is and they assume we changed it?
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 09, 2021, 09:25:55 am
So I have a weird WIFOM thought, why don’t we leave the number as is and they assume we changed it?

Because we HAVE to move it 15 clicks exactly.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 09, 2021, 09:26:43 am
So I have a weird WIFOM thought, why don’t we leave the number as is and they assume we changed it?

Because we HAVE to move it 15 clicks exactly.
Ah okay never mind then. Thanks for helping me understand.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: M. Gustave on September 09, 2021, 09:34:41 am
that moment when you check back in a little late and see a 2 hour timer, only to see that it's mercifully just a single submission. i was hoping for a puzzle in my confessional, and it looks like i got my wish, lol.

so it's basically numbers version of mastermind, but each team gets a scrambled version of the solution provided to them, and then we work backwards from the scramble to get the real combo. that's my understanding, correct me if i'm wrong.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Suzy Bishop on September 09, 2021, 09:36:39 am
I’m sorry, I just woke up from a pretty long nap. Catching up on what’s going on!
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 09, 2021, 09:40:21 am
It's sound like M. Gustave has volunteered to bring us to victory, how wonderful!
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 09, 2021, 09:44:13 am
Okay I've booted up my computer to give more coherent thoughts.

So here is how I understand this challenge so far:

1. We have a combination number of 26599
2. We have 15 clicks (1 number in any direction per click) to change the sequence.
3. Once both teams have submitted the incorrect sequence, we have 20 hours to start guessing numbers.
4. Each time we guess, the mods will tell us how off each one is (Lingo style if anyone has watched that game show). They will tell us correct, incorrect, or correct but in the right place essentially.
5. The team who gets the right number in the fewest amount of guesses wins.

So initial thoughts: Unless their number is super randomized there is a rhyme or reason to this 26599 however is kind of a terrible starting number for us because if they guess 01234 and 56789, they would get "1 correct" and "2 correct in the right place and 1 correct". Then they just have to factor in how the 15 clicks works in order to lock into our number. It could take awhile or it might not.

My big question for the mods, are we going to be told if a number is correct and in the right place as in "x6xx9"?
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Richie Tenenbaum on September 09, 2021, 09:45:10 am
It's sound like M. Gustave has volunteered to bring us to victory, how wonderful!
The M. stands for Mastermind, it all makes perfect sense now
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 09, 2021, 09:51:40 am
My big question for the mods, are we going to be told if a number is correct and in the right place as in "x6xx9"?

I think they'll just learn "3 correct, 2 in the right place" but not know which ones are in the right place. Still it does appear our number is disadvantageous to the actual strategy.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Wes Anderson on September 09, 2021, 09:51:53 am
Okay I've booted up my computer to give more coherent thoughts.

So here is how I understand this challenge so far:

1. We have a combination number of 26599
2. We have 15 clicks (1 number in any direction per click) to change the sequence.
3. Once both teams have submitted the incorrect sequence, we have 20 hours to start guessing numbers.
4. Each time we guess, the mods will tell us how off each one is (Lingo style if anyone has watched that game show). They will tell us correct, incorrect, or correct but in the right place essentially.
5. The team who gets the right number in the fewest amount of guesses wins.

So initial thoughts: Unless their number is super randomized there is a rhyme or reason to this 26599 however is kind of a terrible starting number for us because if they guess 01234 and 56789, they would get "1 correct" and "2 correct in the right place and 1 correct". Then they just have to factor in how the 15 clicks works in order to lock into our number. It could take awhile or it might not.

My big question for the mods, are we going to be told if a number is correct and in the right place as in "x6xx9"?
You'll be told in the same format as the sample from the challenge post, ie "X numbers correct. X correct numbers in the correct place."

Yep Young Writer beat me to it.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 09, 2021, 09:55:47 am
My big question for the mods, are we going to be told if a number is correct and in the right place as in "x6xx9"?

I think they'll just learn "3 correct, 2 in the right place" but not know which ones are in the right place. Still it does appear our number is disadvantageous to the actual strategy.

It's possible they did something similar to the number on the other side, but I'm guessing not. It's a pretty bad starting place.

So it then becomes a logic puzzle to solve when it's time for us to start guessing which is why we have the doc, however there's clearly no rule against repeating numbers in the final combo, so it's 10 x 10 x 10 x 10 x 10 which is about 100,000 possibilities until we get more information and then clicks will probably start eliminating guess count once we are able to determine one or two of the numbers as it just becomes an educated guessing game after.

So really the biggest thing is it almost doesn't matter what sequence we give them though one possibility is to leave the 6 and the 9 alone and do some funky click things with the other three numbers or like waste 2 clicks on the 6 or 9 to throw them off a bit.

There's a number of ways we can approach this however it once again boils down to WIFOM and guessing.

Thank you Wes and YW for clarifying my question. That actually helps.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Richie Tenenbaum on September 09, 2021, 10:00:29 am
There is some strategy to figuring out the pattern in Mastermind but unfortunately I haven't really played it in at least a decade so I'm more than a little rusty
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 09, 2021, 10:05:20 am
I think it would be best to go for 2 low numbers, 2 high numbers and 1 repeat?
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 09, 2021, 10:05:59 am
I don't even know what Mastermind is so that's going way above my head as a reference haha.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 09, 2021, 10:14:36 am
One more question for the mods and then I'm going to go grab food:

26599
16599
26599 is considered 2 clicks and a valid way to build our final incorrect combination that we can send to the other tribe correct?
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 09, 2021, 10:17:18 am
I don't think so they said to get there the most efficient way which would be 0.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 09, 2021, 10:17:54 am
One more question for the mods and then I'm going to go grab food:

26599
16599
26599 is considered 2 clicks and a valid way to build our final incorrect combination that we can send to the other tribe correct?

Based on the rules, no. They say it has to be the shortest possible route to be used.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: M. Gustave on September 09, 2021, 10:18:23 am
It's sound like M. Gustave has volunteered to bring us to victory, how wonderful!
The M. stands for Mastermind, it all makes perfect sense now

i laughed

for oracle: it is/was a board game of this logic puzzle, but with colored pegs instead of numbers. i realize now that it could well have been called something totally different outside the united states.
pedit: anthony is right, that would count as 0 clicks. and young writer, too.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 09, 2021, 10:20:35 am
I version I play specified what was in the correct position/which letter was right but in the wrong position

Also it used letters instead of numbers :P
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 09, 2021, 10:21:33 am
One more question for the mods and then I'm going to go grab food:

26599
16599
26599 is considered 2 clicks and a valid way to build our final incorrect combination that we can send to the other tribe correct?

Based on the rules, no. They say it has to be the shortest possible route to be used.

Okay darn I was trying to get creative in how we build the number we post to throw them off.

Sounds like we just have to bite the bullet though. The farthest any number can go is 5 I believe in that case.

Pedit: thanks all for helping me work through the strategies on how this works. It helps me not suggest stupid combo numbers.

I'm going to grab some food I'll be back in about 15ish minutes.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 09, 2021, 10:22:15 am
I version I play specified what was in the correct position/which letter was right but in the wrong position

Also it used letters instead of numbers :P
This sounds a lot like Lingo which is the reference I made earlier. Though in Lingo you actually got to know which letter was in the correct position not just "1 correct"
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 09, 2021, 10:54:31 am
Okay I'm back now.

Anthony suggested 2 high numbers, 2 low numbers, 1 repeat.

26599
19923 I think is 15 clicks. It's got 2 high numbers at least 2 low numbers and a repeat. It does have 3 low numbers though. I tried to avoid that I also don't know if giving two repeat numbers might clue them that we wouldn't change those two numbers to the same number? Like if we put "99" in my example above, would they be more or less likely to assume those numbers are a pair somewhere in the sequence?

Just spitballing to get the ball rolling since we have 1.5 hours to come up with a number.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 09, 2021, 10:55:59 am
Imma try to come up with one now that I have time
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 09, 2021, 11:05:00 am
26599

I wanna don't want to change the second 9 anymore, since process of elimination is prolly more helpful now that I think about it and 1 hit would eliminate that possibility (in the case of 56789). However, I do not want the pair to be 9s. I notice that there are more higher numbers than lower numbers, so I will change the 9 by 5 to 4.

???49

This will also get a hit in the case of 12345+67890

I do not want to have a 0 or 5 for being on the border, so I will change the 5 by 4 to 1.

??149

Since, I want a pair here, I will change the 6 by 5 to 1.

?1149

That leaves 1 change and since lowering 2 by 1 will make 3 1s, I shall raise it by one leading to 31149

Does that sound reasonable?
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 09, 2021, 11:10:34 am
Wait I'm confused. Anthony are you doing this assuming they get hits on what we scramble it to?
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 09, 2021, 11:11:25 am
Ftr I don't think what we scramble it to has much effect so I'm fine with whatever. I do think 44444 is pretty funny to go with though.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 09, 2021, 11:14:51 am
Ftr I don't think what we scramble it to has much effect so I'm fine with whatever. I do think 44444 is pretty funny to go with though.
Does 44444 work out to 15 clicks? If so, why not.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 09, 2021, 11:20:38 am
Wait I'm confused. Anthony are you doing this assuming they get hits on what we scramble it to?

Wait, am I thinking along the wrong game entirely? :I

I thought we got 15 moves to make a code we want and they have to guess it. :I
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 09, 2021, 11:21:09 am
Ignore everything I said. .-.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 09, 2021, 11:22:02 am
Wait I'm confused. Anthony are you doing this assuming they get hits on what we scramble it to?

Wait, am I thinking along the wrong game entirely? :I

I thought we got 15 moves to make a code we want and they have to guess it. :I

Nope they have to guess the code that we have and are given what we scramble it to.

Tbh I'd much prefer if we were both given the same code and had to guess what the other tribe scrambled it to, but unfortunately we are not in that timeline.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Richie Tenenbaum on September 09, 2021, 11:22:31 am
I don't think the scrambling is going to have much if any impact on the outcome of the challenge unfortunately.  It's just going to be which tribe brute forces the solve first.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Richie Tenenbaum on September 09, 2021, 11:25:04 am
Is the tiebreaker based on the sum of the random combo the mods have given us or the sum of the scramble we come up with?  If it's the former that's even more making this an coin flip challenge.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 09, 2021, 11:25:10 am
Don't worry, I'm a puzzle master! :D

It's all about maximizing our chances. :P
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 09, 2021, 11:25:43 am
Ftr I don't think what we scramble it to has much effect so I'm fine with whatever. I do think 44444 is pretty funny to go with though.
Does 44444 work out to 15 clicks? If so, why not.

2+2+1+5+5 :0 it does!
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 09, 2021, 11:26:41 am
Wait I'm confused. Anthony are you doing this assuming they get hits on what we scramble it to?

Wait, am I thinking along the wrong game entirely? :I

I thought we got 15 moves to make a code we want and they have to guess it. :I

Nope they have to guess the code that we have and are given what we scramble it to.

Tbh I'd much prefer if we were both given the same code and had to guess what the other tribe scrambled it to, but unfortunately we are not in that timeline.

Yeah I was confused why 44444 was brought up as a possibility :I
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 09, 2021, 11:26:54 am
I don't think the scrambling is going to have much if any impact on the outcome of the challenge unfortunately.  It's just going to be which tribe brute forces the solve first.

It might help us solve it faster (if we figure out numbers the number of clicks would be reduced and the numbers would shrink exponentially), which is true for both sides depending on what is randomly guessed.

In any case, I can't think of anything specifically better than all 4s like we said in the very beginning. I appreciate us at least talking it out to see if we could come up with something better.

Pedit: Yup Anthony has confirmed it comes out to 15. Therefore I can't see it being better or worse and it ultimately gives them no indication about our number any more than any other number.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Wes Anderson on September 09, 2021, 11:27:58 am
Is the tiebreaker based on the sum of the random combo the mods have given us or the sum of the scramble we come up with?  If it's the former that's even more making this an coin flip challenge.
It is based on what you scramble it to.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Richie Tenenbaum on September 09, 2021, 11:29:26 am
Based on Wes' tie breaker confirmation I think we should try to find the highest value of the sum of digits in a scrambled combo we can achieve
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 09, 2021, 11:32:01 am
99995?
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 09, 2021, 11:33:20 am
Based on Wes' tie breaker confirmation I think we should try to find the highest value of the sum of digits in a scrambled combo we can achieve

26599

To get 99999, that would take 10 clicks, meaning we would need to tone down the 9s.

99877 is 13 clicks.

99866 is 15 clicks I believe.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 09, 2021, 11:34:04 am
99995?

That's only 14 clicks I think? so 99994?
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 09, 2021, 11:36:35 am
2 - 9 is 3... okay I thought it was 4 on my first attempt :I, you're right
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 09, 2021, 11:40:30 am
So my only problem with 99994 is that I personally feel either by accident or by process of elimination they will figure out that 4 is a 9 and that we spent 5 clicks on the last digit. In fact a difference that large almost ensures it. So it has to be high without giving too much away. At least I don't know how smart the other side is but that's what would stand out to me if we went with that.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 09, 2021, 11:42:42 am
The next highest is 99985, then 99983, 99976, 99972


99976, might be promising for disguising?
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Richie Tenenbaum on September 09, 2021, 11:43:38 am
Can we do 88888?
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Richie Tenenbaum on September 09, 2021, 11:44:24 am
It's not strictly the highest but it also goes along with the earlier 4s strategy
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 09, 2021, 11:44:32 am
4+2+3+1+1 is 11
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Richie Tenenbaum on September 09, 2021, 11:45:22 am
I have not wrapped my head around the whole clicks on wheel counting method huh
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Richie Tenenbaum on September 09, 2021, 11:45:43 am
In that case I endorse 99976
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 09, 2021, 11:47:16 am
The next highest is 99985, then 99983, 99976, 99972


99976, might be promising for disguising?

I still think we should avoid giving away the pair of 9s if at all possible.

26599

89098
(4)(3)(5)(0)(1) = 13 clicks.
79097
(5)(3)(5)(0)(2) = 15 clicks

Though that is no where near the highest. a palindrome would be tricky to undo though.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 09, 2021, 11:48:45 am
80000 gets 15 with 4+4+5+1+1?
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Richie Tenenbaum on September 09, 2021, 11:49:28 am
The numbers we put in our code aren't going to be what leads them to the solution though, they'll do that through the logic puzzle once they start entering guesses and getting data on X correct numbers with Y in the correct position right?  So it shouldn't be giving anything away for us to have a series of 9s in our shuffle.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 09, 2021, 11:49:36 am
80000 gets 15 with 4+4+5+1+1?
The sum of 80000 is 8 though which is a terrible tiebreaker.

I also suggested 99866 earlier which could help hide the pair of 9s at the end potentially, but also if they figure it out could give it away.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 09, 2021, 11:50:19 am
87654 as well with 4+1+1+4+5?
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Herman Blume on September 09, 2021, 11:50:26 am
I've only seen this challenge in the last 5 minutes so I am trying to binge the last few pages. In general I like the idea of duplicating at least one number in our submission.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 09, 2021, 11:50:56 am
Oh, I thought we were doing it as 1 5 digit number for the tie-breaker
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Richie Tenenbaum on September 09, 2021, 11:51:04 am
Neither team is going to get info for correct numbers or correct positions out of the shuffle the other tribe creates unless they enter that shuffle as a guess, which wouldn't be an efficient use of a guess since that is absolutely not a possible solution based on the 15 click shuffle requirement
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Richie Tenenbaum on September 09, 2021, 11:51:46 am
Yeah tie breaker is sum of digits.  9 + 9 + 9 + 7 + 6 would be 40 which is pretty solid.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 09, 2021, 11:52:14 am
Neither team is going to get info for correct numbers or correct positions out of the shuffle the other tribe creates unless they enter that shuffle as a guess, which wouldn't be an efficient use of a guess since that is absolutely not a possible solution based on the 15 click shuffle requirement

Why not, it's not like we're gonna get it on our first guess? :I
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Richie Tenenbaum on September 09, 2021, 11:53:36 am
First guess should be something that is valid 15 clicks away from whatever scramble they give us, no?
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Richie Tenenbaum on September 09, 2021, 11:54:04 am
Anyway we're getting ahead of ourselves talking about solving strategies when we still need a scramble
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 09, 2021, 11:55:30 am
First guess should be something that is valid 15 clicks away from whatever scramble they give us, no?

I think it should be more information based than guess based since we have nothing previous to go on?
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Richie Tenenbaum on September 09, 2021, 11:56:09 am
Well it'll be a combination of both.  It'll be Mastermind strategy, but with a side of remembering this curious requirement about the clicks in the decoy we're given.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 09, 2021, 11:56:19 am
First guess should be something that is valid 15 clicks away from whatever scramble they give us, no?

Technically yes, but we'd need a second guess with all the numbers not in that first guess also 15 away which is...difficult.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 09, 2021, 11:57:40 am
Okay so. What I've seen so far in suggestions
Number & Tiebreaker amount
99949 or 99994 = 40
99976 = 40
99866 = 38
79097 = 32
44444 = 20

Have there been any other suggestions or ideas I've missed?
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 09, 2021, 11:58:52 am
What if we motivate ourselves to do better by going for the lowest number we can possibly make within 15 clicks.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Richie Tenenbaum on September 09, 2021, 11:59:08 am
First guess should be something that is valid 15 clicks away from whatever scramble they give us, no?

Technically yes, but we'd need a second guess with all the numbers not in that first guess also 15 away which is...difficult.
If we get >1 correct number in correct position off of our first guess it's better to iterate and lock in those correct numbers as fast as possible so we have fewer permutations to solve in the other positions

See now the Mastermind stuff is coming back to me, ah nostalgia
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Sam Shakusky on September 09, 2021, 12:00:02 pm
My problem with 99994 is that they may correctly deduce that that was the highest sum of digits we could reach, whereas 44444 doesn't really give any deductions and it's highly unlikely for the tiebreaker to come into play.

---

For our guessing, the strategy I've come up with is:

First guess; +1 to all digits
(For example, if we receive 37966 guess 48077)
Then -1 to all digits
+2 to all digits
-2 to a digits
+0 to all digits
+3 to all digits
+4 to all digits
+5 to all digits

Because we know that the differences must sum to 15 we may be able to skip one or more of those. What this does is gets us to at most 120 combinations left after at most 8 guesses, because we will know the amount slots need to change by, we just need to arrange these changes in the correct order.

Suppose our changes our A, B, C, D, and E; Our next guess would apply them in order ABCDE

If we have 5 match we're done (9 total).
4 match is impossible.
If we have 3 match it takes at most an additional 5 guesses (14 total)
If we get 2 match it takes at most an additional 6 or 8 (idk which) guesses (15 or 17 total)
If we get 1 match it at most an additional 8 guesses. (17 total)
If we get 0 matches we than submit BCDEA and go to that many matches (18 total)


Which means unless I messed up the numbers or misunderstood something it will take at most 18 guesses.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 09, 2021, 12:01:33 pm
Are you certain that still works if we just know THAT they are in the correct position and not which numbers they are?
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 09, 2021, 12:01:46 pm
That was at Richie
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Richie Tenenbaum on September 09, 2021, 12:02:55 pm
Are you certain that still works if we just know THAT they are in the correct position and not which numbers they are?
Logical deduction on the iterations narrows down which ones were correct until you lock them in
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 09, 2021, 12:04:01 pm
My problem with 99994 is that they may correctly deduce that that was the highest sum of digits we could reach, whereas 44444 doesn't really give any deductions and it's highly unlikely for the tiebreaker to come into play.

---

For our guessing, the strategy I've come up with is:

First guess; +1 to all digits
(For example, if we receive 37966 guess 48077)
Then -1 to all digits
+2 to all digits
-2 to a digits
+0 to all digits
+3 to all digits
+4 to all digits
+5 to all digits

Because we know that the differences must sum to 15 we may be able to skip one or more of those. What this does is gets us to at most 120 combinations left after at most 8 guesses, because we will know the amount slots need to change by, we just need to arrange these changes in the correct order.

Suppose our changes our A, B, C, D, and E; Our next guess would apply them in order ABCDE

If we have 5 match we're done (9 total).
4 match is impossible.
If we have 3 match it takes at most an additional 5 guesses (14 total)
If we get 2 match it takes at most an additional 6 or 8 (idk which) guesses (15 or 17 total)
If we get 1 match it at most an additional 8 guesses. (17 total)
If we get 0 matches we than submit BCDEA and go to that many matches (18 total)


Which means unless I messed up the numbers or misunderstood something it will take at most 18 guesses.

The fact I'm having a hard time following this probably means if you are certain it's likely a good strategy.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 09, 2021, 12:04:32 pm
What if we do 79978 5+3+4+2+1

Well, that's still 40, so 40 is prolly the max for this set of numbers?

Yeah, I think so
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Richie Tenenbaum on September 09, 2021, 12:07:23 pm
I think it's a mistake to sleep on the possibility of a tie in the solve so doing one of these scrambles that sums to 40 is the right move
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 09, 2021, 12:07:42 pm
The real question is that while (and I'm trusting Samuel here) that guarantees 18 at the most, is a standard logical deduction/mastermind strategy while also making all guesses differ by 15 better?

Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 09, 2021, 12:08:02 pm
Also the one that begins with a 7 seems quite good.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 09, 2021, 12:08:31 pm
Also the one that begins with a 7 seems quite good.

I don't hate 79978
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Richie Tenenbaum on September 09, 2021, 12:09:21 pm
79978 is good by me
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 09, 2021, 12:10:03 pm
No objections here
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Richie Tenenbaum on September 09, 2021, 12:10:48 pm
The big issue with having the first two guesses be a simple 12345 then 67890 is you learn almost nothing that can inform your third guess
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 09, 2021, 12:11:07 pm
My only fear with that is what if they somehow figure out the 54321 pattern with it, but at this point it's no worse than 99976 to me seeing as I don't know how they'd logic that out in any way shape or form, patterns in our coding scares me though.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Richie Tenenbaum on September 09, 2021, 12:12:04 pm
My only fear with that is what if they somehow figure out the 54321 pattern with it, but at this point it's no worse than 99976 to me seeing as I don't know how they'd logic that out in any way shape or form, patterns in our coding scares me though.
It's 5 3 4 2 1
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 09, 2021, 12:12:07 pm
My only fear with that is what if they somehow figure out the 54321 pattern with it, but at this point it's no worse than 99976 to me seeing as I don't know how they'd logic that out in any way shape or form, patterns in our coding scares me though.

Actually, it's 53421, no?
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 09, 2021, 12:12:51 pm
Anyway, as for the strategy, if we get a combo of numbers that has 3 correct, at worst it's likely like 5 iterations before all 3 are locked in, and then it's just a matter of moving in pairs of the remaining 5 numbers until you have the right ones. ANd if one set of numbers only has 1 correct answer, then the other set likely has 3 or 4 correct numbers. Of course numbers repeating do make it more difficult but it feels more efficient than the doing 8 guesses to limit the pool and still maybe needing 18.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 09, 2021, 12:12:51 pm
Oh yeah haha. Okay sorry my bad.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Sam Shakusky on September 09, 2021, 12:13:31 pm
There's two types of information from guesses to extract, what numbers are in the code and what the differences are. By making our code all 4's we would make those two sources of information the exact same, which I think minimizes the amount of information they can get per guess.

Have to leave now so submit whatever for the shuffle (even if it is summing to 40) but I'd vote for not summing to 40.



@Writer that increases our chance of hitting on a given guess from 0/100000 to 1/100000, I think knowing how many of each of +1, +2, etc there are is much more valuable because it limits our worst case scenario drastically.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Sam Shakusky on September 09, 2021, 12:14:12 pm
The above is referring to #406
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 09, 2021, 12:16:35 pm
I mean to be fair, if we want to test strategies, it's rather easy to randomly generate a 5 number sequence and scramble it here. We need not start working on deducing the combination immediately.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 09, 2021, 12:19:23 pm
My one fear with 44444 is if they guess 99999 and get 2 right, they know once they place those 9s properly the other digits are only a total of 5 off limiting the amount of guess potentials for the other 3 numbers that they may stumble along the way to place.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 09, 2021, 12:22:34 pm
My vote is for 79978.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Richie Tenenbaum on September 09, 2021, 12:24:38 pm
My vote is for 79978.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 09, 2021, 12:27:14 pm
Same, someone put it in then?
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 09, 2021, 12:28:08 pm
Where do we put it?
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 09, 2021, 12:28:43 pm
I'd assume the Challenge 4 Thread?
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Brendan on September 09, 2021, 12:29:29 pm
Put it in the Chapter Four Thread and I will double-check it to make sure it's 15 turns.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 09, 2021, 12:29:37 pm
But also to be clear once we have their scrambled number, we should test out the two general strategies we have to see if one is much better.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 09, 2021, 12:29:59 pm
Which means not actually guessing in the thread yet.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 09, 2021, 12:30:43 pm
But also to be clear once we have their scrambled number, we should test out the two general strategies we have to see if one is much better.

I absolutely 100% agree with this. I also have a strategy of my own I'd like to try.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Brendan on September 09, 2021, 12:31:03 pm
What is your final submission?
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 09, 2021, 12:31:16 pm
What is your final submission?

I put it in the chapter 4 thread like you asked.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 09, 2021, 12:36:23 pm
Okay so should we discuss strategy in another thread then before we start guessing?
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Brendan on September 09, 2021, 12:37:11 pm
What is your final submission?

I put it in the chapter 4 thread like you asked.

Sorry about that! Number posted now.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 09, 2021, 12:39:34 pm
Should we make a challenge strategy testing thread now?
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: M. Gustave on September 09, 2021, 01:21:26 pm
apologies for not being around much today, it was my bad and shouldn't happen again. turns out the m. is more likely to stand for muddled than mastermind, because most of the strategy talk for this challenge has been over my head. i feel so carried. i'll get to my messages now.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 10, 2021, 08:04:24 am
Hey all, I spent so much time on this challenge. I’ll be done for the day and will respond to dms once I have food. Thank you for patience!
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: M. Gustave on September 10, 2021, 08:39:17 am
holy god that was way closer than i expected! they must be so frustrated over there, four guesses is super good but still lost.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Duke on September 11, 2021, 06:41:38 am
Hey everyone, I moved house today! getting everything set up took a lot longer than expected so I'm kind of out of it at the moment; will reply to everyone before I sleep tonight but won't be immediately

thanks for patience :D
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 11, 2021, 06:53:20 am
Been very busy today and likely won't get back to anyone before deadline, so if there's a swap just know I have enjoyed our time together greatly.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Duke on September 12, 2021, 08:56:51 am
Hey all! I'm kind of exhausted, was going through the list of messages because TC but now it's not TC rn so I'll probably go black out and get back to you in the morning. Sorry about activity here; it's been a busy couple days.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: M. Gustave on September 12, 2021, 09:00:26 am
this pirate stuff takes me back to pearl islands and cook islands; good times.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 12, 2021, 09:24:02 am
Are we supposed to be discussing who we would pirate? I'm a touch confused about the latter part of this announcement.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 12, 2021, 09:26:38 am
I think it's a self decision so we can't really pick someone
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 12, 2021, 09:27:25 am
Got it. I actually have an idea I want to propose, I'm not sure if this is a stupid idea or if it's worth discussing, but if my idea works out there might be a way none of us have to be voted out this round.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 12, 2021, 09:31:26 am
If you all want to try to coordinate and discuss this. If not, no worries we can just all have the night off haha. Bark bark.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 12, 2021, 09:46:12 am
I mean I can't think of such a way that happens that doesn't either involve myself volunteering to leave, which I'm not entirely sure I'd want to do, or giving away the Mendls and trusting who its given to will actually leave, which given the entirety of the auction round, I don't think I would be on board with.

Still if it people wish to discuss plans it can't hurt to let our thoughts be out there.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 12, 2021, 10:01:09 am
That was my thought. So after this round two people will be voted out. One on each tribe. That leaves us with 14. The only person we publicly know is safe either this round or next is you. So one possible solution is to assume the immune person over there does not jump ship.

If you were to volunteer to munity you are guaranteed to survive at least one round which might be enough for a true swap, which given how open you have been about sharing information with us I trust us to want to protect you assuming we swap at 14.

This would mean that most likely the person who swaps here won't be the immune one. If they are we can't help it and just have to bite the bullet, but they are pretty broken after the 5-3 split. So the odds are the person with immunity won't want to go anywhere. Most likely we could potentially take two of them out and set us up to be safe in a swap or merge scenario after.

Again this hinges on two things:

1. You are willing to go over on the hope that either a swap is coming soon, or that you can survive a round bluffing you will use the immunity, don't use it, and then use it the next round if we don't swap.

2. The rest of the tribe stays strong in voting out whoever they send over. If that person is the one who has immunity, then whatever we can't help that and were going to have to vote someone out anyways.

This is an option if we want to try to survive together, but if not I will drop it and we can just do what we were going to do individually. I just wanted to throw it out there as an idea.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 12, 2021, 10:42:33 am
I would like to re-iterate if you aren't okay doing that, this is your game. No is an option. I just was trying to think if there was any discussion point worth having about this.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Young Writer on September 12, 2021, 11:22:37 am
I'm well aware I'm considering it. Though frankly I'm still very unsure. It's not about my survival but rather inter tribe dyanmics. Most of us just had a round to get any sense of the other tribe and "we'll just vote out whoever comes here unless they have immunity" feels a bit...dismissive I guess is the word. Especially when it's likely someone who is on the outs on the other tribe, like that's not how I'd like to be greated, especially without immunit. Also simultaneously showing up and being like "yeah I'm here because it guarantees one of you goes home" also feels bad to do and either sends the message that our entire tribe is just, not interested in bonding with any of them or just that I really am not interested in that.

Also if I don't go over, it's still likely with the split that whoever does end up there has a good chance of surviving without it just being a soft act of war.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 12, 2021, 11:32:25 am
These are all good things to discuss and consider. Appreciate the added discussion.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 13, 2021, 07:31:31 am
My owner is offering me a car ride and I just have the desire to go stick my head out the window and bite at the air a bunch.

I'll be back in awhile. Bark bark!
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 13, 2021, 09:17:12 am
Back now! Bark bark.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 14, 2021, 12:34:46 am
Will be in classes for a chunk of today. Responses will likely be short and infrequent. Thanks for understanding!
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Anthony Adams on September 14, 2021, 12:57:35 am
Same but different reason :P
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 14, 2021, 08:09:56 am
Going to my last class for the day. I’ll check in later! Sorry if I have not responded to all DMs today has been busy.
Title: Re: Camp Ivanhoe
Post by: Oracle on September 14, 2021, 09:06:20 am
Good luck with swap everyone!!