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Undercover Work => Spectator Station => Topic started by: Joss Carter on August 10, 2020, 05:03:04 pm

Title: Episode 20 - FTC
Post by: Joss Carter on August 10, 2020, 05:03:04 pm
It's anybody's game!
Title: Re: Episode 20 - FTC
Post by: Alexandra Cabot on August 10, 2020, 05:07:24 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/mizzSS0.png)

this is the only thing i will complain about
Title: Re: Episode 20 - FTC
Post by: Joss Carter on August 10, 2020, 05:07:53 pm
It was either this or the old-school way of just having a single thread.
Title: Re: Episode 20 - FTC
Post by: Joss Carter on August 10, 2020, 05:08:24 pm
Or a few other options but those don't allow me to set up my false dichotomy so fuck 'em.
Title: Re: Episode 20 - FTC
Post by: Paul Blart on August 10, 2020, 07:28:34 pm
I miss each juror getting a thread, though that probably created way too much grandstanding by the jury.
Title: Re: Episode 20 - FTC
Post by: Tachikoma on August 10, 2020, 08:11:13 pm
in the next haschel game structural will be the only thread
Title: Re: Episode 20 - FTC
Post by: Tachikoma on August 10, 2020, 08:30:58 pm
i dont think you could invent a screw from an actual twist as bad as what just happened to rust from the f2 tbh
Title: Re: Episode 20 - FTC
Post by: Alexandra Cabot on August 10, 2020, 08:36:40 pm
It was either this or the old-school way of just having a single thread.
Sounds great!
Title: Re: Episode 20 - FTC
Post by: Alexandra Cabot on August 10, 2020, 08:36:58 pm
why don't we just make no threads. let the jury figure out what it wants
Title: Re: Episode 20 - FTC
Post by: Judge on August 10, 2020, 10:06:25 pm
I miss each juror getting a thread, though that probably created way too much grandstanding by the jury.

It also makes it insane for the finalists to focus on shit with a bazillion threads to track. What I enjoyed about how PCW did it was having a thread for each finalist so the focus was on them and not each jury member instead.
Title: Re: Episode 20 - FTC
Post by: Paul Blart on August 11, 2020, 05:16:06 am
I miss each juror getting a thread, though that probably created way too much grandstanding by the jury.

It also makes it insane for the finalists to focus on shit with a bazillion threads to track. What I enjoyed about how PCW did it was having a thread for each finalist so the focus was on them and not each jury member instead.
I know RPG did this as well.  Don’t really remember how I felt about it there, though, but I remember having something to say about it.
Title: Re: Episode 20 - FTC
Post by: Paul Blart on August 11, 2020, 05:17:32 am
“Answer these questions and we’ll tell you your dream FTC format” seems like a fun Buzzfeed quiz, if someone wants to get on that.
Title: Re: Episode 20 - FTC
Post by: Scully and Hitchcock on August 11, 2020, 05:57:13 am
i dont think you could invent a screw from an actual twist as bad as what just happened to rust from the f2 tbh
Who would have guessed that a F2 would shift us from a Rust/Leon/Lucifer F3 to somehow having Poirot at the end, though! Really kind of crazy.
Title: Re: Episode 20 - FTC
Post by: Nick Wilde on August 11, 2020, 07:57:09 am
Reading back through confs and I found this quote from Poirot:

"After only one day of playing zis game, I'm finding myself thinking in ze accent of Hercule Poirot."

I relate to this so much. There was one game I put on a stupid accent for and I found myself starting to talk to people irl in that accent towards the end of the game, to a lot of weird looks.

I stan Poirot so much. It's insane he made it here. Gogogogo
Title: Re: Episode 20 - FTC
Post by: Scully and Hitchcock on August 11, 2020, 08:15:39 am
Yeah, I get that too.  Whatever I try to embody in a game quickly starts seeping into how my mind works in general, it only takes a couple days!!

That 2-1-1 vote at 4 is really essential for Poirot because otherwise his story would be guy who was in a great position, and basically floated to the end with little agency.  He was not getting any boots he wanted post Grouch vote.
Title: Re: Episode 20 - FTC
Post by: Scully and Hitchcock on August 11, 2020, 11:20:19 am
btw I do think Lucifer's reasoning for cutting Rust there makes sense.
Title: Re: Episode 20 - FTC
Post by: Cheddar on August 11, 2020, 03:12:38 pm
why don't we just make no threads. let the jury figure out what it wants
In before it turns into that spam forum challenge
Title: Re: Episode 20 - FTC
Post by: Nick Wilde on August 12, 2020, 03:01:20 am
(https://i.gyazo.com/bd50fc6937b5fdb13abfa9fb7d153733.png)

Third place boooooiiiii

(for some reason I can't post in my conf anymore :( )
Title: Re: Episode 20 - FTC
Post by: Scully and Hitchcock on August 12, 2020, 07:55:57 am
although I agreed with Lucifer's reasoning for bringing Hercule, just reading the first sentence of Hercule's speech:
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Salut mes amis! C’est moi, Hercule Poirot! Mon Dieu, what an incroyable journey zis ‘as been.
And oof, it is not going to be fun for Luc to go against this gimmick in FTC.  It's too charming.  Can it even possibly be smart to go up against "ze master detective" in FTC?  I wonder if Rust would have made that argument if Lucifer had been around.
Title: Re: Episode 20 - FTC
Post by: Judge on August 12, 2020, 10:48:45 pm
What's hilarious is that I actually studied French for like 7 years so I can read most of what Hercule posts without having to translate it haha!
Title: Re: Episode 20 - FTC
Post by: Joss Carter on August 12, 2020, 11:21:39 pm
Lucifer's speech was underwhelming but I think he's doing a decent job at answering the questions.

As for why Nick can't post in his confessional: I made it so anybody with the "Player" role or "Spectator" role can post in forums that are designated "Confessional", but if a player also has the "Eliminated" role then that overrides the permissions and makes it so they can't post even though they can read.  Most eliminated players I fixed this problem by changing the confessional from the "Confessional" designation to the "EliminatedConfessional" designation. In your case I, uh, forgot.
Title: Re: Episode 20 - FTC
Post by: Alexandra Cabot on August 12, 2020, 11:59:40 pm
terrible

that's cheating
Title: Re: Episode 20 - FTC
Post by: Joss Carter on August 13, 2020, 09:10:57 pm
Quote from: Hercule
If I lose zis game, everything zat I did your round was in vain. Your elimination was in vain. If you still can find eet in your 'eart to choose to look at ze good and not ze bad, zen your elimination actually meant something because eet 'elped propel me to win ze game.
Wow. I don't think I've seen this specific brand of emotional manipulation before.

I don't hate it but it also seems a little too blatant that it risks coming off as pandering.
Title: Re: Episode 20 - FTC
Post by: Alexandra Cabot on August 13, 2020, 10:38:05 pm
i thought it was a bit much
Title: Re: Episode 20 - FTC
Post by: Alexandra Cabot on August 13, 2020, 10:39:10 pm
I mean my vote was decided after rereading some things. One of you did something to another player that I cannot condone at all even if it’s in an Internet game.

what are they talking about, truly; i don't recall anything that bad?
Title: Re: Episode 20 - FTC
Post by: Joss Carter on August 13, 2020, 10:46:07 pm
i thought it was a bit much
Right, I mean in a vacuum I can see it being effective on a juror.  As part of an FTC where all of the jurors are watching, then yeah, it's a lot.
Title: Re: Episode 20 - FTC
Post by: Scully and Hitchcock on August 14, 2020, 06:26:55 am
It also feels like more manipulation after already brutally manipulating that same person out of the game.
Title: Re: Episode 20 - FTC
Post by: Scully and Hitchcock on August 14, 2020, 06:30:38 am
I mean my vote was decided after rereading some things. One of you did something to another player that I cannot condone at all even if it’s in an Internet game.

what are they talking about, truly; i don't recall anything that bad?
Probably the Leon vote. That vote was very rough although in my opinion it’s definitely more of a plus than a minus on the resume. But I think when Hercule made that follow up ftc post going into the nitty gritty of how he was withholding his jury vote for Leon unless Leon did this thing that would get Leon voted out, it highlighted the ugly side a little more.

The move was essential, even if Hercule has beaten Rust in fire at 4 he’d have gone home at 3 without it. But you know how on Ghost jurors got mad at Dominic for annihilating poor Donathan? I think it has a little in common with that.
Title: Re: Episode 20 - FTC
Post by: Alexandra Cabot on August 14, 2020, 07:49:21 am
ok that makes sense i think i mostly zoned out that round
Title: Re: Episode 20 - FTC
Post by: Cliff McCormack on August 14, 2020, 03:39:12 pm
so having 0 context for any of the game, not having read any of the questions, etc. my assumption is that the great Belgian detective is taking this one home. Y/N?
Title: Re: Episode 20 - FTC
Post by: Scully and Hitchcock on August 14, 2020, 03:44:48 pm
so having 0 context for any of the game, not having read any of the questions, etc. my assumption is that the great Belgian detective is taking this one home. Y/N?
It might be tight depending on how burned players feel by Poirot's big moves.

We've never had access to the jury forum or their confessionals so it's harder to say than it would be usually.
Title: Re: Episode 20 - FTC
Post by: Scully and Hitchcock on August 14, 2020, 04:33:34 pm
Juries are notoriously unpredictable.  Recall that last game here, "bippy" thought he was casting a sympathy vote for a buddy finishing in dead last, and it ended up as the deciding vote in that player's win.
Title: Re: Episode 20 - FTC
Post by: Burton Guster on August 14, 2020, 06:44:46 pm
Juries are notoriously unpredictable.  Recall that last game here, "bippy" thought he was casting a sympathy vote for a buddy finishing in dead last, and it ended up as the deciding vote in that player's win.

I don't think this is necessarily true. I think it's more that FTC actually has a huge impact on most games if the people who make FTC know what to do and that F3s are very volatile because people have very different reasons for casting certain votes (i.e well this person can't actually win so I'll vote x way) and there are 3 options. In an F2 there's a lot more clash and there only being 2 choices make it a lot easier to predict. Though without us being able to see confessionals that impedes that ability incredibly (well assuming players are commentating FTC, only a handful usually do).
Title: Re: Episode 20 - FTC
Post by: Cliff McCormack on August 15, 2020, 10:13:00 am
so having 0 context for any of the game, not having read any of the questions, etc. my assumption is that the great Belgian detective is taking this one home. Y/N?
It might be tight depending on how burned players feel by Poirot's big moves.

We've never had access to the jury forum or their confessionals so it's harder to say than it would be usually.

We actually do have some insight into the "burned" part because one of the jurors' first post was "nobody is a bitter juror here" etc. and seemed to mean it.

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Greetings! I should preface this by saying that this is not a bitter Jury in the slightest— all of us are looking to make an unbiased decision to determine the best possible winner of this game, and I think Ponderosa is completely void of any lingering bad feelings whatsoever.



Now whether you trust this post or not is another thing (often bitter jurors convince themselves they aren't bitter, after all), but I do think it's some indication that if the only thing standing in Poirot's way is bitterness, he's looking good.
Title: Re: Episode 20 - FTC
Post by: Scully and Hitchcock on August 15, 2020, 12:31:10 pm
But another juror said that a player did something that they can't condone in a game and it's deciding their vote.

I also don't think you necessarily have to be a "bitter juror" to not want to vote for someone that burned you in a big betrayal, ie Leon and Grouch.
Title: Re: Episode 20 - FTC
Post by: Scully and Hitchcock on August 15, 2020, 02:16:50 pm
Ooh Lucifer is going all in on his honest approach vs. Poirot's cutthroat play in his closing speech.  He's forcing it to be a referendum on the Leon vote almost.  Bold play although I don't know if it works.  "Despicable" is a bit much, he may be pushing too hard there.
Title: Re: Episode 20 - FTC
Post by: Joss Carter on August 15, 2020, 02:58:05 pm
It's always a crapshoot how jurors will respond to the personalized parts, but the first part of the speech is perfect for selling his game no more or no less than what it was.
Title: Re: Episode 20 - FTC
Post by: Burton Guster on August 15, 2020, 03:19:35 pm
It does go a bit heavier than my liking but I think it gives reasons to vote for Lucifer a lot more than Poirot's speech gives for voting Poirot tbh. I think Luci takes it with those speeches as is.

Also agree that personalized parts can be hit or miss, you are often better off cutting them out than leaving them in imo.
Title: Re: Episode 20 - FTC
Post by: Alexandra Cabot on August 15, 2020, 04:51:09 pm
i find that part of luci's speech affronting tbh but i don't know if it'd like, lose a vote, you know what i mean
Title: Re: Episode 20 - FTC
Post by: Joss Carter on August 15, 2020, 06:05:11 pm
For the record while a few jurors have been open with their vote, the majority of them have not given an indication of which way they are leaning so this is an exciting mystery for the mods too!
Title: Re: Episode 20 - FTC
Post by: Raymond Holt on August 16, 2020, 10:49:31 am
oh man lucifer had a bomb ass final speech, drag him