Survivor PD

Confessionals of the Fallen => Lennie Briscoe => Topic started by: Holly Short on January 01, 2020, 01:49:46 am

Title: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Holly Short on January 01, 2020, 01:49:46 am
Oh my! Who do we have here? A new officer joining the ranks?

Well thank the fairy heavens for that! The last new recruit we had was Sherly and he’s still bumbling about thinking of himself as a consulting detective. Pff!

Anyway, where was I? Oh yes!

Welcome! We’re excited to have you here.

This is your confessional, where you can post whatever you want. Your thoughts, your ideas, your deepest, darkest feelings! No evidence can be used against you here.

Please make a post in this thread to confirm that you’re still up for the task of joining the force. I wish you the best of luck!
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on June 27, 2020, 11:16:14 pm
Well I should write an opening confessional I guess. Hi, I'm Lennie Briscoe, big Survivor/BB fan, happy to be here.

Chat today started quickly with Scruff and Jake messaging immediately, I had to start the chats w/ my other tribemates (which isn't a big deal but worth noting). I guess I'll just go tribemate by tribemate:

Jake - wow, he came out of the gate hot. I'm just gonna quote his first PM, which was like 7 minutes after the game started:
Hahahahaha I'm completely unprepared for this game. They asked me to replace in yesterday.

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Well yeah, obviously.

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Well that seems apropos for Survivor.

Hi! How are you. I'm Jake. If you had to describe your Survivor-self in three adjectives, what would they be?
I'm not sure if he sent this exact one to everyone or what? I do suspect Scruff and I at a minimum got similar ones? I may dig into that some more but it's not a big deal. Honestly in a way it's a bit of a relief to just get to talking about the game and playstyles right away, and I think we clicked pretty well? I said I played kinda old school, treated the game as social (though I'll be frank, I'd like to play socially, dunno how good I am at it in this format), wanted to build early bonds, etc..

He agreed but talked about how like he doesn't like lying (SNOOOOORE) and how bad it is to backstab and blahblahblah. Whatever. He seems to be making a distinction between lying when it's "expected" versus not, but bleah, people who focus so much on what a horrible thing it is to lie are not my favorites (as a fan at least). For an ally, that's fine and a desirable trait too be honest and trustworthy but the emphasis on it unprompted is so weird, a bit of a red flag? But whatever, it's early and I would expect anyone saying that to at least stick with it early on. He sort of called back to that when talking about how Jake and Lennie the characters are standup guys, etc.. Again, whatever. I don't disagree, this is fine, I think we're good and can work together.

We eventually talked about the tribe, he said he likes Scruff and Leon, it's good that he's telling me positive things about specific people early so I'm down with that.

Scruff - So we exchanged a couple messages early and I missed a response for an hour or two? We caught back up though, I told him that I felt good about Jake after Jake had told me that he felt good about Scruff, I figured this would be a good way to connect with Scruff by being positive about someone he is likely to feel positive about himself. He responded pretty frankly that Jake had spoken positively about me to him, and I actually probably went a little too far in suggesting we align as a three. He seems receptive to it but talked about how Jake didn't want to make anything concrete just yet, which is fine, whatever. Scruff also is positive about Leon, he and Jake both seem pretty high on him. It wouldn't shock me if I'm looking at this as "oh me, Scruff, and Jake can pull in Leon" and they're looking at it like "we (Scruff and Jake and Leon) can pull in Lennie". we'll see.

Scruff was good to talk game with though, I definitely get a good vibe, and could see us working pretty closely though weirdly we didn't connect too deeply otherwise. I'm sure we'll get there though.

Hannah - chatted some, she'd mentioned tabletop gaming in the main thread and we got to talk a bit about that. I brought her name up to both Scruff and Jake as someone I felt good about and they both hadn't connected much with her, which isn't great. Apparently there'd been some snafu in communication with Jake on Hannah's part (didn't hit send or something), hopefully they're patching that up.

Ace - the first person I contacted after replying to Scruff and Jake. I dunno how well we've clicked, doesn't seem too chatty. I know he talked to Scruff and Jake and said he liked everyone he'd talked to, but neither of them had even mentioned him so they might have had the same experience I did.

Leon - big personality, coming out strong in the tribe thread, I get the impression I'm old enough to be this kid's dad, which itself isn't like a bad thing but I dunno how well we'll connect.

Paul - the last person I was able to connect with and we didn't exchange many messages, but I actually liked talking to him. Slow start but I could see this being a valuable connection.
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Scooby-Doo on June 28, 2020, 01:04:50 am
You can't solve this all by yourself, with out a raggy who would be your second in command?
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on June 28, 2020, 01:27:22 am
You can't solve this all by yourself, with out a raggy who would be your second in command?
At this point, probably Scruff? I at a minimum know that Jake likes me but how he would rank me versus Scruff or Leon I don't know. Honestly that probably applies in reverse to Scruff too. I should probably talk more strategy with Hannah and Paul, thus far I've liked our conversations but they haven't really tuoched on the game, and if we stay safe for a round or two, those could be really useful relationships going into a swap.
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Heiji Hattori on June 28, 2020, 10:13:24 am
Welcome to the game, Lennie!

I saw you're a big Survivor/BB fan. Which player's style do you think you'd like to position yourself in this game? Or if there really isn't one player, do you have a strategy you have in mind in order to become the ultimate Survivor?
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on June 28, 2020, 11:49:20 am
Welcome to the game, Lennie!

I saw you're a big Survivor/BB fan. Which player's style do you think you'd like to position yourself in this game? Or if there really isn't one player, do you have a strategy you have in mind in order to become the ultimate Survivor?
I'm sure this won't be anyone's favorite choice because the season left such a bad taste in people's mouths (for completely justified and understandable reasons), but Tommy Sheehan on Island of the Idols played a really great game (even if he's kind of a boring guy). He was able to be loyal when it made sense and switch things up when he needed to, he was well-liked without being targeted for it, had a bigger target in front of him in the form of Lauren. It really was the perfect old school social game. No bag of tricks, no immunity runs, just really good social and strategic Survivor play. And he managed to win from the position of being dragged to the end, which people had previously used for goats.

Now, I'm not saying I can pull that off, we'll see how it goes, but yeah that's how I'd like to do it ultimately if I can. I suspect that the players in this game are a lot more capable than Dean and Noura though, so I dunno if a Tommy game necessarily fits into this game.
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Heiji Hattori on June 28, 2020, 05:17:54 pm
Now that you've gotten a bit into the game, how do you feel about your other tribemates, both on a social and the challenge game? Do you see yourself making strong alliances at this stage? If so, what characteristics in an ally are you looking for?
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on June 28, 2020, 10:14:24 pm
Now that you've gotten a bit into the game, how do you feel about your other tribemates, both on a social and the challenge game? Do you see yourself making strong alliances at this stage? If so, what characteristics in an ally are you looking for?
So socially my feelings are mostly the same as my previous confessional with one change being that Leon and I got to connect over music, which was good. I was like "uh Doja Cat kinda got canceled..." so maybe that wasn't great but I think the conversation was positive because I'm not sure anyone else listens to rap so it was a unique point of connection. Basically, I feel the best about Scruff, feel good about Jake, feel decent about Hannah and Paul and Leon, and Ace is tough to connect with but I'm still trying not to let that fall by the wayside even if he'd probably be the easiest (and my preferred) boot if we went to TC.

One of my flaws is that I do think "okay let's connect socially" to start and I'm bad about knowing when to transition that into game talk, I'm hoping to improve upon that. I still need to broach game talk with Hannah, Paul, and Leon so that this is more than just chatting about interests.

As far as the challenge goes, honestly, I was probably the worst performer? I was thinking "oh, we'll get together at noon, get a gameplan, and start" but basically the challenge had started when I logged on, so I was playing from behind and just trying to contribute what I could when there was uncertainty. I imagine that didn't escape people's notice, but also I don't think it's such a detriment that it puts me in danger. The feeling I get at least from Scruff and Jake is that they are, like me, more focused on getting a group together early, not obsessed with challenge performance or anything like that. As mentioned above, I need to work on getting a better idea of other people's thoughts on the game.

Re: what I'm looking for in an ally, my ideal is someone that I can just speak candidly with and especially voice little things where it's understood that I might bring up "oh it's interesting that X did Y" as something worth noting but isn't necessarily damning. An example would be that I brought up Jake's form letter first PM to Scruff, and I think he basically sent the same thing to everyone? We both agreed that even if that wasn't the greatest start, we both genuinely felt good about Jake from the conversation that resulted so it's not a big deal.

One note on Jake, I think he's pretty out in front here in this tribe. I think he's going to be seen as a big social threat in the medium to long term. That doesn't make him a bad ally (on the contrary, it's a good thing, he'll be a good shield), but I wonder if he's aware of that. Scruff strikes me as a lot closer to my style of gameplay, and it's arguably a flaw of mine that I'm very inclined to ally closely with people who are like me in the game, but it's a very comfortable relationship and I'm glad to have it. When I say it's a flaw, I think ideally you should be able to work with anyone, just be adaptable in any situation, but I can't lie and say I'm not drawn to specific types (and, inversely, less likely to play with other types).

I think I kind of went all over the place in this response/confessional, sorry about that.
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Heiji Hattori on June 29, 2020, 07:23:50 am
Not at all, since there is a great deal that us spectators can't see, the more you talk and more you specific you get, the better it is for us. In addition, this could benefit you as well since we are neutral innocent bystanders that you can use as a sounding board. By sharing your thoughts, maybe it can help clarify any ambiguity or crystallize a strategy you may want to implement.

In your previous post, you mentioned that you felt that Jake was strongarming the tribe personality-wise. What made you perceive him as a big social threat? You said that this is a boon to you that you can act as a shield behind, but what do you think his impression of you is? Is this meat shield someone you would want as an ally long-term or are you willing to part ways sooner rather than later?

In addition, you mentioned that you had a flaw in which you may not know the best transition into game talk. In previous iterations, what were the mistakes you made? Have you seen you have made any corrections in this cycle? If not, do you think the tempo of the game may play into a factor and your mood?
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on June 29, 2020, 11:09:22 am
In your previous post, you mentioned that you felt that Jake was strongarming the tribe personality-wise. What made you perceive him as a big social threat? You said that this is a boon to you that you can act as a shield behind, but what do you think his impression of you is? Is this meat shield someone you would want as an ally long-term or are you willing to part ways sooner rather than later?
So I definitely wouldn't use the word "strongarming", if that's how it came across then I should rephrase. I think everyone likes Jake, and I suspect that everyone talks to Jake more often and more deeply than they do to most people. His form letter opening PM may have been a little corny/hamfisted, but I think it did get conversations going into game mode almost immediately so that while the rest of us are feeling out "hey what do you do for fun", he's already talking about approaches to Survivor. So that's great for him, I think everyone feels good about their relationship with him, but I think he's also doing this in a way where like, I think it's obvious to us all that the others have similar positive feelings? In a long-term sense I'm not sure how he can shake that perception. I'm gonna be curious to see how he's perceived when we swap.

Now, as to how does Jake see me? I'm not really 100% sure. It'd be nice if he did see me and Scruff as a trio with him. I think that's the case but I could see him being happy with Leon or even Paul maybe in there instead of me? Who knows? It's not super important, I might not be at the core of the onion but I'm a layer somewhere, and I don't think the outermost.

I could see him going deep, I'd be fine going deep with him, I doubt that I'd be cutting him anytime soon.
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In addition, you mentioned that you had a flaw in which you may not know the best transition into game talk. In previous iterations, what were the mistakes you made? Have you seen you have made any corrections in this cycle? If not, do you think the tempo of the game may play into a factor and your mood?
In my last game I think people saw me as cagey because I wasn't talking as immediately or openly about game (also just in some circumstances, I was genuinely clueless and people mistook that for caginess). Anyway, I broached game talk with Paul and Leon, got responses, like everyone basically says the same thing, Jake and Scruff are cool, Paul/Leon seem okay too, Hannah hasn't connected as much, and nobody really connects with Ace. If we were to go to TC, I think Ace would be the likely target.
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Heiji Hattori on June 29, 2020, 05:57:15 pm
That was a close call and unfortunate miss in the challenge. What's your game plan for this tribal?
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on June 29, 2020, 10:20:04 pm
That was a close call and unfortunate miss in the challenge. What's your game plan for this tribal?
So things have been weirdly quiet since the challenge results came out. I don't know if that's because people have been busy, or because we just have a bunch of conflicting schedules, or what. Honestly it'd make me feel much more nervous if I hadn't largely confirmed even before the challenge results that most people don't feel great about Ace (not disliking, just finding it difficult to connect). I was having dinner with my mom this evening prior to challenge results and then had a trivia competition from 9 to 11 so I wasn't in a great position to reach out to people but also I barely heard from anyone.

Shout out to Paul (yes I realize giving shoutouts in confessional is counterintuitive/pointless) who honestly did allay my fears by reaching out and just confirming "okay we're probably on Ace, right?" just after trivia ended.

I will say, I was arguably the worst performer in the challenge, as I said previously, and while my instinct is that this isn't the case, it's entirely possible that they've been like "Wow what a shithead Lennie was showing up last minute and barely participating" behind my back. You never really know in games like this.

That said, I don't think that's the case though, I feel like I've connected really well with Scruff and he said that Jake was really ranting about being frustrated with Ace even prior to the challenge results, to the point that I think Scruff was hinting that Jake might have wanted to throw a challenge before we swap to get him out?

I will also say, the fact that we seem to be so inactive collectively following the challenge results, and we lost the challenge, I'm having a moment of like "wait... are we the fuckup tribe?" Like I'm looking at the active users list, I'm the only one on from the tribe going to TC and there's like 2-3 people from each of the other tribes.
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on June 30, 2020, 12:06:20 am
Oh one thing to mention, I told Scruff he's my #1 prior to challenge results, which is true, and I dunno if he exactly said it back but his response made me feel good about our relationship.

It's so frustrating having such a different schedule than other people (I'm on the East Coast but very much a night owl), because I'm going "oh, I'm not hearing anything, is it me?" when like, nobody from the tribe has logged on from what I've seen in a while (except Hannah, I fuckin see you not responding, but multiple people have complained about her being quiet so that's probably not an issue?).
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Heiji Hattori on June 30, 2020, 05:20:43 pm
But hey, you survived the tribal. Congratulations! Do you want to give us a wrap up on episode 1 and your ending thoughts on the tribal council? Did anything happen behind the scenes that made you feel safe or grew worried?
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on June 30, 2020, 10:54:48 pm
But hey, you survived the tribal. Congratulations! Do you want to give us a wrap up on episode 1 and your ending thoughts on the tribal council? Did anything happen behind the scenes that made you feel safe or grew worried?
Honestly, I don't even know what Ace was doing. I dunno if he was busy (he probably would have mentioned it) or not in the right headspace (more likely?). I think a bunch of people had similar experiences where it was just very difficult to get much of a conversation going. I actually semi-joked about Ace being a mod plant where like if you decoded his weirdly terse PMs, you'd get an idol or something.

One interesting tidbit is that Jake was worried about suggesting Ace to me because apparently he and Ace went back and forth talking who to vote out and I was one of the first names Ace said as someone he didn't want to vote out. On the face of it, one could say it's a mistake to get out someone who valued you, but like, I didn't know that because he didn't tell me and we didn't really have a great connection where I could read that? It was probably because I messaged early and I at least kept trying in the conversation.

The lack of communication across the tribe broadly was a bit of a concern as I mentioned, but today I felt pretty secure. There was a moment where I had said "well it's probably going to be Ace" to Hannah and she was like "okay, I trust you, because Scruff said he likes you and I trust him" and I thought that was both weird and annoying? Like for one thing, shouldn't you feel good about me because you like me? Also shit girl, everyone on the tribe was saying they weren't sure about you early on and I was like "No Hannah's cool" to Scruff and Jake and then they came around. To be clear, I know that's not all my doing, they would have put in some work to keep talking to her either way but I do think I primed them to be more receptive. I actually mentioned this (and my feelings on it) to Scruff because we were talking about "well does anyone know how close we are" and I gave that as a potential example. That might have been a mistake? I dunno.

Oh also I'm relatively new to this community and ORGs in general but I always think it's weird that people refer to "episodes". I guess it makes sense because otherwise you'd need to use a different word but it's just this weird vestigial aspect of a game that started as a TV show and is completely divorced from the TV format.
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Joss Carter on June 30, 2020, 11:04:40 pm
I guess it makes sense because otherwise you'd need to use a different word but it's just this weird vestigial aspect of a game that started as a TV show and is completely divorced from the TV format.
brb designing Survivor: Cargo Cult Island
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on July 01, 2020, 12:03:55 am
I guess it makes sense because otherwise you'd need to use a different word but it's just this weird vestigial aspect of a game that started as a TV show and is completely divorced from the TV format.
brb designing Survivor: Cargo Cult Island
Hahaha, I originally said it was like a cargo cult but was afraid that would sound too insulting :)
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on July 01, 2020, 12:53:20 am
I should update just on the tribe I think, as I don't know if I'll have time before the challenge ends between work and actually doing the challenge tomorrow, and want to get thoughts down before that happens..

Jake - Hasn't talked a lot the past couple days but I think he's super busy so that's not a big deal. I think Jake talked the most to everyone prior to that and is generally viewed positively as a result. The miscommunication over him thinking I liked Ace was interesting though, he might have a hesitance to broaching tough subjects? I mean I can't even take credit for that, Scruff said as much, or at least said it in my case. I don't know what that implies but it doesn't make me feel terrific. Which isn't to say I want to cut him or anything, just, you know, something to keep in mind.

Scruff - still my #1, still feel good about him. He also seems busy at work but generally gives me a lot and doesn't seem to hold my shorter messages against me? This is a flaw of mine, I feel like something with realtime communication would suit me so much better just because with PMs I spend so much longer on them for so much less content after editing and revising. Though at the same time it's an interesting challenge. (cut to Scruff's confessional saying "Lennie is fine but man I wish he'd say more")

Leon - We've connected some, we could be a lot better though. I've talked with both Jake and Scruff about a 4 person alliance with us and Leon just because they seem so high on him. They'll bring up (and this is more Scruff) keeping newbies safe so they have an enjoyable first experience, which is like, great if that's good for their games, but I'm not sure that would be the talking point if they didn't also see it as positive for them.

Hannah - Everyone at this point has said something positive about talking to Hannah though I think some of that was to communicate the subtext of "therefore I'm most willing to cut Ace". I really enjoyed our talks about gaming but our game conversations have been kind of stilted.

Paul - Still a lot of potential there I think, I should think about how to build this relationship. This is the kind of person where if we swapped together I could see it bringing us much closer. I mean, I guess that's true of everyone, but it could take a "I like this guy and think we could work together" relationship to more of a "This is my guy" kind of relationship depending on circumstances on the tribe we end up on.


In a broad sense, the tribe wasn't super active today, and I think that's just because people were pretty locked in even before the results that Ace would be the one to go and because people were genuinely busy, but it does give one pause.

If we were to lose this challenge, I could see Hannah going. I could also see me going because flash games are not my forte at all and I know multiple people have expressed the "we don't want to keep losing" sentiment, but if I can trust in the four of Jake/Scruff/Leon/me, I'd be safe.
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on July 01, 2020, 12:55:28 pm
Leon replied to me that he did the challenge for 30 minutes until he got bored. That doesn't make me feel great. Like I was assuming we'd all be like at least committing to putting in an hour (or roughly that). I went for the hour, pretty much, and my best score definitely improved substantially in the second half of that.
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Heiji Hattori on July 01, 2020, 05:53:20 pm
Congratulations on immunity - you're now in the top x-teen! Your safe for another round and I figured I'd take your pulse. Did your ranking of your favorite tribemates change in the past couple of days?
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on July 01, 2020, 08:37:27 pm
Congratulations on immunity - you're now in the top x-teen! Your safe for another round and I figured I'd take your pulse. Did your ranking of your favorite tribemates change in the past couple of days?
It hasn't really changed but Jake did include this in his message to me post-challenge-win:
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I'm really glad the elimination went well. I was pretty confident everything was on the up and up, but that's when you get paranoid, right? Working together seemed to be a strong move - I get the impression you've got the tribe pretty much wired, and I'm happy to go with that flow.
Like I don't precisely know what he's implying via "I get the impression you've got the tribe pretty much wired" but it's hard not to see it as "I see you as a threat in front of me", which is a red flag because he's supposed to be the threat in front of me! He has been semi-absent the past couple days though due to RL stuff so I can see why he might be feeling less connected at the moment.

To be clear, I don't think he sees me as a threat in the sense of he wants to target me in the short or mid-term, but I was really hoping to ride a narrative of "everyone feels good about jake" and if necessary eventually turn it into "...but if we're all good with him, who really is?", I'd much rather be behind the scenes. WTF, I'm not even good at this connecting shit, he's way better. Dude apologizes in this PM for writing such a short PM and it's literally the longest and most detailed out of any of the post-challenge PMs I've received, even taking out the youtube embeds and gifs.
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Heiji Hattori on July 02, 2020, 06:35:15 am
Does this mean you feel like Jake is threatening you? Or are you subconsciously threatened by him? What will your next steps look like in this game?
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on July 02, 2020, 10:50:26 am
Does this mean you feel like Jake is threatening you? Or are you subconsciously threatened by him? What will your next steps look like in this game?
I mean, to reiterate, I don't think he's threatening me in the sense of, feeling like I'm in danger.

I honestly don't know quite how to take it. It's not good in any sense to me, but I specifically don't know why he would say it to me? I feel like the most likely answer is he doesn't think it comes across poorly, maybe he thinks it's a compliment? Considering how willing he was to be like just out in front right out of the gate, maybe he's just not thinking about that kind of thing, that being perceived as being at the center of things is a bad thing. But it is a bad thing and the fact that he might perceive me being there makes me wary, not necessarily of Jake but that he might a) not be the only one thinking that and b) potentially propagate that idea. I still think it's a wrong read though, Scruff is probably in a better spot than me?
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Heiji Hattori on July 02, 2020, 04:17:27 pm
You've had a little downtime thanks to immunity. Any strategies you're implementing at this stage? Anything in the long run you're thinking?
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Heiji Hattori on July 02, 2020, 06:37:44 pm
What's your thought process going into this challenge? Are you optimistic about your chances of doing well?
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on July 02, 2020, 07:30:11 pm
What's your thought process going into this challenge? Are you optimistic about your chances of doing well?
Honestly this seems really hard. I guess first identify what you think people will guess for you, then identify the people you think you can accurately predict and prioritize getting them accurate and then hope for the best with the others? It's frustrating because this is so easy to game if people have any ability to communicate at all, but with not being able to talk about it it seems kind of crapshooty. There's a part of me that would love to just alphabetize all the names and labels and assign them that way, with the idea that if anyone else does the same we'll at least get two perfect sets, but I have no way of knowing if it's crazy to think other people would do that or if they're already thinking the same thing. I'm not optimistic, but it's a one in three shot.
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on July 02, 2020, 10:05:49 pm
You've had a little downtime thanks to immunity. Any strategies you're implementing at this stage? Anything in the long run you're thinking?
Honestly like everyone seems to be busy or quiet, I think we were really relieved not to go to the second TC and kind of took a load off. Scruff and I had already sort of talked through what the next vote would have been, and I'm pretty sure Jake and Leon would be on board there, so there was no need to overstrategize.

I can't say have long-run plans though the one thing I will say is that like nobody really is up very late so I've kind of kept an eye on who appears to be active late night ET on other tribes (Rust Cohle and Kate Macer have stood out), I wouldn't mind swapping to a tribe with someone who matched my schedule a bit better.
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on July 02, 2020, 10:29:35 pm
Oh, also, on the point about alphabetizing, it occurred to me that a) you don't really need to alphabetize, just use the order they're in in the challenge post and b) actually the first two sets of traits are already in alphabetical order. This has actually made me seriously consider using alphabetizing. Like if we seriously were to try to think on every single adjective and role, a) there are going to be adjectives and roles that nobody self-describes as, and b) some of these are so impossible to really map to people that it's already a crapshoot. Like, even if I could come up with distinct traits for these roles, which I don't think I can for all of them, mapping those to this tribe seems an equally difficult task.

I'm seriously leaning towards just using the order from the post applied to the people in the tribe in alphabetical order (which, again, coincidentally is the order in our welcome post). I could maybe get a few points here or there trying to get inside people's heads but it seems just as likely to backfire. I talked about Jake saying I've got the tribe "wired", so what role am I in his view? The Brain? The Guy Behind the Scenes? The Inside Man? I could see arguments for all of those, and if I picked one, now I have to come up with a justification for someone else to be one of the other roles.


I have to admit, I don't entirely understand what the mods are intending/expecting to be the result of this challenge. For the record, I fucking LOVE Touchy Subjects as a Survivor challenge, it's maybe my favorite challenge of all time, and the fact that college Survivor games almost always include it is no small part of why I love college Survivor. But this isn't Touchy Subjects, and it isn't Majority Rules, and while the core idea of rewarding people for reading the social structure of the tribe is absolutely a great goal if that's the intent, I'm kind of pessimistic that this challenge will accomplish that goal very well.

My indecision here isn't really because I don't have a clear idea of where people stand in the tribe (and I'll admit it could be clearer or more certain), or where they're perceived to stand, but more because I think that using that view to then map these traits and roles to people is an incredibly difficult task even with near-perfect reads. We could all have completely identical views of where everyone stands in the tribe, but what the fuck does "The Wheelman" mean, you know?

Anyway, FWIW, I know it's an incredible amount of work to put this stuff together and I know the mods have undoubtedly talked about this and discussed it, so I really don't want this to come across as me just being a pessimistic jerk, but I do sort of feel like I'm missing somethng. I fully allow for the possibility (or even likelihood) that I'm just incorrect in what the goal of this is and this is accomplishing exactly what was intended.
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on July 04, 2020, 12:10:29 am
So we lost, fucking great. Jake made some comment in the tribe forum about "oh this would have been easier if it was about how people perceived you" like yeah, that's what it was? I mean, it was how people perceived you perceiving yourself, but yeah, you were supposed to think "what will people select for me", not "what do I think describes me" and hope everyone's right, sheesh.

Things haven't changed a lot, Scruff and Jake have been super busy and the rest are a bit less communicative by nature, so things were kind of quiet the past couple days. I guess I'll give a rundown:

Hannah - Same ol' same ol', light conversation, nothing super deep.

Leon - We've kept up our conversation about music, we don't have a huge amount of overlap, it's mostly my limited taste in recent pop and rap. The rap goes over a lot better with me. Our connection is shallow and I don't feel great about it but Scruff and Jake were so insistent early on about not wanting to vote the newbie out, make sure he has a good experience, blahblahblah that I feel obligated to seem cool with him.

Paul - Honestly, I feel like Paul might be the player I'm the most like here? He seems to be able to connect with people but doesn't feel obligated to do so compulsively (more on this with Jake), seems to view things strategically. I could easily see a world where I'm closest to him on the tribe, but because I got in with Jake and Scruff early I may not have pursued this as deeply as I could. If we swapped together I think I'd feel really good about it.

Scruff - still feel good overall about him. We'd basically talked through the next boot a couple days ago so we're on the same page I think. Both he and Jake did the "gosh I don't have an opinion between Paul and Hannah, what do you think" thing, which is a little frustrating, I was mostly straight with both of them about my preference for Paul staying.

Scruff also does the "I'm open to any other plans you might suggest" thing, which I think is mostly true but also is "I'm open to any red flags you feel like revealing". To really show him that I trust him, I was kind of frank about not feeling the greatest about Leon, while being clear that I was in no way suggesting that Leon go this round. And I mean, I really do want his thoughts on this, I hope he can see that I'm trying to be candid about something I do think we might disagree on. There's also a tiny part of me that wonders if when he does the "open to any other plans" thing, he's hoping I'll suggest we flip on Jake. I don't think that's the case but it'd be interesting if so.

Jake - So after a couple days of radio silence because he was busy, we got to talk some more tonight. Jake seems really intent on having non-game conversations, he really values (maybe overvalues?) them. For instance, when he was talking about Hannah and Paul, he was like "Hannah I connect with but we never talk game, and Paul we connected but our conversations seem businesslike" and like, I responded that I don't really have a problem with business-like relationships? Look, it's fun chitchatting about interests but I'm not making decisions in this game based on whether we both like the same TV show or both like RPGs, I value an ally with a similar game perception far more. Jake's also really hemming and hawing about not expressing a preference either way early on and I don't really get it. Like I expressed a preference because I trust that I can do that to you so it's not the best that you're not giving me the same thing back.

Maybe this is pretty calculated, I dunno, like he could be thinking that he'd rather keep the person that his allies would be least likely to flip to? But I don't think it's that, I think maybe Jake really really wants to be The Good Guy or cultivate that perception. Maybe I'm wrong and Hannah versus Paul is truly an agonizing decision, or maybe he's tempering all his responses to me based on what he thinks I'm looking for out of him, but I'd much prefer him to just go "yeah, I'd rather vote out X." Or maybe he's just sincerely indecisive.



So I'll be honest, if I could make it happen without burning any bridges, my ideal boot would be Leon, I think I'd have an easier time working with anyone else. I don't want to hold timezone differences against anyone but even with the timezone he has a weird activity schedule, and setting that aside, I've had to work to connect at all. Hannah I think is hesitant to say much gamewise but at the same time I could see those walls coming down more in a swap situation where it's obvious we have too be each others' new #1s in the moment.
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Heiji Hattori on July 04, 2020, 05:23:15 am
I'm sorry that you lost. Your individual performance was decent. Have there been any movements or shakings since your last commentary?
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on July 04, 2020, 12:46:30 pm
I'm sorry that you lost. Your individual performance was decent. Have there been any movements or shakings since your last commentary?
Saying my individual performance was decent is probably overly generous but thanks.

Jake is leaning towards voting Paul out, he seems to find it sketchy that Paul is bringing up tension between Hannah and Leon, with the implication that Paul is I guess like overselling or misrepresenting this? Except the first thing I heard from Leon post-challenge was that he's leaning Hannah specifically because of lingering feelings from before, Paul isn't making this up or (as far as I can tell?) exaggerating it.

Honestly Jake's trying my patience a bit. He's acting like this reflects negatively on Paul when I see nothing wrong with it. He's not being dishonest imho, and he's demonstrating what I would consider fairly effective gameplay. What Paul's doing is what I like to see, this is what I want in an ally, I want someone who's coming to me with his perspective on the game and what he's heard from people, this is the kind of person I think I can work with. Jake's talking about "I'm a little concerned he's a long-term threat", as if "It's final 19, let's take out the long-term threat" is a convincing argument? Yeesh. I'm much more worried about someone who's going to be a liability when we swap than I am someone who might gank me at 9 or whatever.
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on July 04, 2020, 11:08:31 pm
Bleah, Scruff basically has no interest in even pushing a little bit against Jake, which I don't think is necessarily a bad idea, but I wish I'd known that when we discussed before the challenge ended how we preferred voting out Hannah over Paul.

Jake doubled down on his dumbass "Paul is scheming by saying Leon wanted to vote out Hannah" bullshit. I honestly can't fuckin stand it, he keeps talking about Paul is making a "subtle" move but brilliant Jake saw through it, when Paul was just like, playing this straight? The person who's been sketchy and sneaky is Jake here. And like, I don't begrudge someone strategizing and using arguments maybe disingenuously to pitch a boot, but it's super super distasteful to me when he's trying to present himself as this upstanding citizen while he's trying to paint some dude playing pretty straight-up as somehow being duplicitous. We're allies for the moment and the foreseeable future, but I honestly won't mind it in the slightest when he's out, every bit of this has rubbed me the wrong way.

I told Leon not to even bother with trying to vote Hannah, Scruff has no interest in going against Jake here and that pretty much seals it. Hopefully I can salvage something with Hannah.
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on July 05, 2020, 11:33:11 am
Apparently Scruff put in the work to flip Jake to vote Hannah, Jake still has reservations but is willing to go along with it.
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on July 05, 2020, 11:22:11 pm
So I was out earlier and couldn't write a proper confessional but apparently Scruff was able to convince Jake that voting out Hannah made sense, and reading between the lines, communicate to Jake that he was sketching me out I think. Jake clearly wasn't thrilled about the result even with Scruff's argument, but at least recognized that it was more important to maintain relationships than expend all his social capital on some pre-swap vote.

Ironically, I PM'd Hannah telling her she was safe shortly before Scruff and Jake messaged me saying they were willing to vote her out, so she's gotta feel kinda burned by me but at the time I sincerely thought she was staying. I felt bad about that, if Hannah is reading this in the future I wasn't just trying to fuck with you (though I was trying to vote you out so maybe that's cold comfort; it was nothing personal though).

Anyway onto the big news, we swapped! And it's into tribes of nine, which I was kind of hoping for, bigger tribes can have more interesting dynamics even if it is a lot more work to keep up with them. So I guess onto my tribemates:

Hercule Poirot: Great connection right off the bat. Apparently I'm the only person he's run into in the game who was in any way familiar with Poirot so we really had an instant connection. And he's a HUGE fan too, whereas my interest is only passing, but that's super cool. He wrote some incredibly long PMs about Agatha Christie books and adaptations but it's honestly charming. Also like, every time I do this (which hasn't been a lot) I'm like "oh no, I don't want to have to endure these gimmick characters" but honestly I tend to like them? and I like Poirot too. Great start here, I foresee us working together on this tribe.

Cheddar: Another good connection to start with, I have less to say about him but things are good. Both Cheddar and Poirot had similar stories of their TC, which was good to just hear multiple perspectives. Another person I'd tentatively like to work with.

Chase: Decent start, we talked some, it was fine. That sounds so damning-with-faint-praise but I'm trying to do this off the top of my head without going and rereading our PMs. I did say some sort of corny "oh so glad we connected, I feel good about our tribe" thing that in retrospect could come across as a little schmoozy? I'm not going to dwell on it, but not my finest hour.

Kate: Interesting start, she asked right away about our tribe's TCs, and then asked if I like history, which is not a typical icebreaker. She talked about a podcast she's listening to which does sound kind of interesting. There's potential to work with her, I do have nerdy interests like history and the like so maybe we can build on that.

Chan: Is this a gimmick? Someone, I think Chase said they'd talked the least to Chan and someone else on the original 12th precinct tribe, and just based off of one PM I can see why. I honestly don't know if this is shtick or what, completely ignored one oof my questions, responded to another with little chance for followup. Asked what Lennie Briscoe is from, which is fine, but yeah, not great here.

Judy: Sent a PM, no response, but that's fine, it's the first night and Poirot said she's got an inconvenient timezone.

Paul and Leon I was on the tribe with previously and feel decent about. The one thing that I'm wondering about here is whether to tell Paul the story of exactly how last TC went down, because so far I think he just thinks it was quiet, nobody said much, but it landed on Hannah, whereas Jake was fighting tooth and nail to put the vote on him. I need to think on this. I'm worried for Leon just because of the timezone difference, I'll probably PM him and tell him to explicitly make an effort with Poirot, Cheddar, and Chase at a minimum.
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on July 07, 2020, 12:00:08 am
So I think we're doing well in the challenge, and while I missed that the challenge start time moved up, I feel like I definitely have contributed throughout the night and I don't think it's gone unnoticed. I'm honestly not worried about being targeted for challenge performance at this point in the game but even so it's nice not to have to think about that.

I'm gonna do this from memory rather than going and rereading so I may not remember all the details:

Leon: So as I mentioned in my last confessional, I sort of primed him to go connect with people I'd connected with, and it worked well. He was able to connect with Hercule and Judy at a minimum, and bonded with Kate over being a newbie (which I didn't know about Kate, good info!). He also reached out to me saying he wanted to form a two-person alliance with me, and admitted that on our original tribe he felt like he was sort of fourth and that Scruff, Jake, and I were in an alliance (which is kind of true). I told him I basically felt the same way about him, that he was third and I was fourth, which is also kind of true, and that I was very enthusiastic about forming an alliance with him. Incidentally, anyone reading this might be going "didn't you say you'd ideally see Leon go over Hannah and Paul like just a day or two ago?" which is true, but I felt like I had options with everyone from my former tribe going forward so it was really just an issue of who I thought had the most post-swap potential. I've been impressed with him, I was worried that he might have troubles connecting (it took a little while for him and me, after all), but he and Hercule get along and it sounds like he and Judy have gotten along well (better than Judy and me, more on that later).

So shortly after I tell him I'm okay with the two-person alliance with him, he also proposes to Hercule and then me a three person alliance of us three. Hercule brings this to me, which I really appreciate, and we're both agreed that while it seems a little premature for him to be doing this, it seems to be genuine and also in all of our interests. I won't lie, there's a part of me that's thinking "oh for once I get to be in an alliance with players that I might be able to beat in a challenge", but that's a long ways off from being relevant (and also only based off of one challenge).

Hercule: I feel like I should be calling him Poirot, nobody calls Poirot "Hercule", but I keep reflexively typing Hercule. C'est la vie. Anyway, still love him, very happy we're very much on the same page about Leon. Also he said the mods made fun of him for his challenge performance in round two, shame on you!

Cheddar: Continued to talk, found out we both like The Challenge, which can be a nice thing to bond over.

Chase: Talked more about board games/tabletop games, still cordial

Kate: Awkward to talk to. Like she led off talking about a podcast, we talked about that podcast, I asked if she listened to many others and named a few, she said no. I asked if she watched TV, no (of course not). She listed several other interests, such as reading, and reading on the internet, and said she liked listening to music but only mentioned Renaissance choral music. You know, that popular style of music we all listen to and talk about. Anyway, I asked some more questions about interests, not great. Leon doesn't want to vote her out because he says she's a newbie like him, which I guess checks out, so worth working at this further I guess.

Judy: She replied to my message today, I replied to her and didn't really get anything the rest of the day, but I kind of made the mistake where someone follows up with questions, you answer them, but there's no jumping-off point for conversation in your response? My bad, so I followed up again asking about other interests, hopefully she responds. I also asked Hercule to put in a good word if she seems less than crazy about me based on that interaction.

Chan: Probably the least chatty person but apparently likes The Challenge? So maybe we can talk about that. Leon seems to currently want him to go if we go to TC, which I guess is the best option, and also from what I know the most likely. I'm still hoping we win the challenge though.
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Heiji Hattori on July 07, 2020, 05:30:36 am
New friends? New enemies? How would you rank your new tribemates in terms of favorability?
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on July 07, 2020, 11:48:36 pm
New friends? New enemies? How would you rank your new tribemates in terms of favorability?
Not a lot has changed in terms of how I feel about people, the biggest would be that Judy and I finally clicked a bit, in no small part to Leon and Hercule's help. There's a part of me that's concerned that Judy sees herself as the fourth in that group, but she could see me as the fourth too.

Short summary of the day: we lost the challenge (fucking ugh), Chan was the early name thrown out, with Hercule doing the dirty work. Chase and Kate pushed back a bit, but unbeknownst to them I think everyone from the former 27th and 99th had kind of decided on Chan already.

Hercule: Things are going swimmingly, I can't say enough good things. He's gone above and beyond as an ally and I feel great about him. He told me about a group chat that Chan made with the former 99th precinct members, and filled me in on what went on there, and he offered a fairly lengthy set of thoughts on Judy and basically her approach to the game, which was that she's very frank (his example was her telling him very early in the game "I like you but you're not my favorite on the tribe" which is hilarious). We're very much on similar wavelengths with how we approach this game and I'm thrilled to be working with him.

Judy: We finally exchanged more than one message a day, and actually have some overlapping interests, we both like British panel shows, and I'm actually a big fan of Masterchef Australia, which she doesn't actively watch but is at least aware of since I think it's a big thing there. Decent start.

Leon: I like the guy, I'm honestly impressed with his gameplay, he's done better than I expected, I was worried I'd have to do work to keep him out of the crosshairs after we swapped, and I think I did help give him a leg up, but he's really done a great job. we haven't discussed this but I think he's really loving being in this role of being able to orchestrate an alliance, drive a vote, etc, which is great because it's a fun first experience and also because it makes his target bigger. I hope that doesn't sound too cutthroat.

Paul: Still feel decent about him but we haven't talked a lot and I don't know where he stands with other people other than "above Chan". I dunno if that's because he's making bonds I don't know about or if it's because he's just laying low as a strategy and trying to stay out of the center of things. It's not the worst strategy for navigating the game.

Cheddar: good talks about Survivor and The Challenge and we discussed the vote, he said he's not voting Paul.

Chase: saw the writing on the wall with Chan, I think he's okay with it but understandably maybe a little uneasy. I think I sold him on watching The Leftovers if he can find a way to do so (it's really good, everyone should watch it)

Kate: still not easy to talk to. Didn't want to vote out Chan but that's how it goes.

Chan: I think I had the best experience talking to him out of anyone on the tribe maybe? Another situation where someone who feels good about me is leaving, but most other people feel good about me too and it'd be tough to steer this vote elsewhere without expending serious social capital.

Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Holly Short on July 08, 2020, 04:33:38 am
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I'm actually a big fan of Masterchef Australia
So after a VERY LONG time of not watching the show I got back into it with the current season and HOW GOOD IS IT???
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on July 08, 2020, 09:26:23 am
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I'm actually a big fan of Masterchef Australia
So after a VERY LONG time of not watching the show I got back into it with the current season and HOW GOOD IS IT???
It's so great! I love every season but it's so fun seeing people back (admittedly I haven't seen Callum's season but I think I've seen the rest remaining) and they're doing such a great job. Reynold's thing several weeks ago where he made the tempered chocolate log with the branches and the flowers at the ends, and then with the caramel sauce melting the forest floor, it was just breathtaking, Top Chef could never.
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on July 08, 2020, 10:42:42 pm
God I wish I could complain about the nature of the challenge or whatever, but in this case I do kinda feel like we just got outplayed. I feel like I'm in a very good position on this tribe but even given that it's sincerely draining to go to TC just immediately back to back.

So Leon, bless his heart, is all rarin' to go about this four person alliance between me, him, Poirot, and Judy. He asked for an alliance name, I didn't have any good suggestions, Judy apparently came up with LL (Her)cule J, which is really inspired, so I'm in my first group chat of the game. Probably not the best decision to create the group PM while we were doing the challenge, but whatever.

A number of people I think have had their weakest interactions with Kate, so her name was brought up pretty quickly in our group chat, and I brought it up to Poirot too. Poirot feels like Kate trusts him and we all know this, and he's open to eliminating her, but brought up the point (which I think all of us have thought about) that Chase has expressed concern about this just being original tribes ganging up on one and eliminating them, a pagonging as it were, and if we were to take out Kate, Chase would really be alienated and feel on the outs. What people are kind of dancing around is the prospect of targeting Paul.

Honestly, I'd been thinking about this. I really thought maybe that going into the swap, Paul and I would get closer, more like Scruff and I were on our original tribe, and it really hasn't happened (and I'm not putting this on him, I could have made the effort to do so and didn't). If I'd really been committed to that idea I probably should have filled him in immediately on what went down on the Hannah vote, and how much Jake was pushing for him, but I wasn't sure if that was the right idea. I was hoping we'd win the first challenge and I could bring it up then but we went to TC and it didn't seem like the right time.

I trust in the LLculeJ alliance I think, and I very much trust Poirot and Leon, so I think I'm gonna be good no matter what, and this might be the time to let Paul go? I was pretty frank about these thoughts to Poirot, and I'm sort of hoping he can orchestrate this without me getting my hands dirty. He says that Cheddar is leaning that way, and I like Cheddar, our chats are arguably better than those with Paul, or at worst on par.

Anyway, ironically, Paul voiced the same "well I'd like to target Kate, but do we want to eliminate two original 12s in a row" sentiment. I honestly don't even know where he's going with that, whether he's got someone from the 99th in mind or if he's suggesting Leon or if it's just lip service because other people are saying it.

Also, weird thing, Kate was like "so it sounds like you and Chase are getting along" and I'm like "oh sure, I like chase, do you guys have something in mind?" and then she said she got confused and must have misinterpreted something he said. Whatever. I responded and said it wasn't a big deal and reiterated that I don't see this as being on tribal lines, previous relationships matter but we need to be open to new opporrtunities, blahblahblah. I feel like she made a mistake (not as in, something bad for her game, but something unintended) when she contacted me like that, and I want to defuse that.

(edit: below I digress into a thing about general strategy but I forgot to mention my actual response, which was "hey, I understand, no big deal. FWIW, I told chase that this isn't about original tribal lines and I mean that, of course previous relationships matter, but the swap is about building new bonds" roughly)

Anthony Douglas on BBCAN7 had a really insightful view on interactions with people, where he said he didn't want to put people in a situation to lie to him, and by that he didn't mean "I want to make people tell me the truth all the time", but rather that when someone is less than honest with you, it implicitly distances you from them in their mind. Some players see value in testing people by asking them questions where they would have incentive to lie, so you can see where they stand. But I think the point Anthony was making is that sometimes by avoiding those situations, you're able to keep lines of communication open in the future, so in responding to Kate like that, I was kind of hoping to ensure that we're still able to talk. This is one of those situations where she might feel self-conscious or wary and I hope I can smooth that over.

I'm kind of walking a tightrope here in that I definitely don't want to be like "hey guys, I'm fine with voting Paul out" too openly, because it can easily seem like I have no loyalty, but I also want people to be able to come to me and broach tough subjects.
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on July 09, 2020, 11:47:15 pm
Well that wasn't supposed to happen, lol. Like honestly, if Paul was going to idol himself, I guess this was ideal? I can't complain too much.

So Cheddar and Chase both contacted me this afternoon to broach the topic of voting Paul, and you know, I pretended like oh, well, I guess I saw this coming because of last round his name being out there and gosh there's only so much I can do, I'm in on this tribe, no previous tribal lines, and I like Paul but if you guys want to get rid of him then I guess I'm okay with it. Of course Hercule and I had talked this through last night.

Cut to like 3 hours before tribal, Cheddar and Paul both message me, Paul says that Leon told him that someone(?) had pitched Cheddar to him and Leon shut that down, Paul ran that to Cheddar, Cheddar in turn told Paul his name was out there. I responded to Cheddar and said I hadn't heard his name (basically true), I'm voting Paul, we're cool.

Cut to like 1.5-1 hour before tribal, Paul messages and asks if I'd be willing to vote Chase, then creates a group chat with basically all the former 27th and 99th members to pitch Chase, and I think Judy, Hercule and I are like "Wellll if everyone's on board, sure", eventually Paul says his vote was on Chase but he changed it back to Kate. We're all just like "THIS fuckin guy". Turns out he has an idol, plays it, Kate goes home.

Really, this isn't the worst situation but it's frustrating because who knows if he'll somehow find a second idol. I imagine that we're all kinda on the same page that if we go to TC, the vote is Paul.

I reached out after I got home to Paul to maybe try to smooth things over, no response but maybe something tomorrow. I don't know what his headspace is, and I couldn't really blame him for hating me a whole lot.

I should probably mention that seriously Poirot and I are so super-close. We message all the time, we have very similar perspectives on the game. I have to imagine one of us is going to cut the other at some point if we make the post-merge, but it'll be a fun ride to get there.
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on July 10, 2020, 11:21:40 pm
So today was a little more quiet. Reaching out to Paul went about as well as it could have gone. I think he's more hurt than he lets on but he has a good attitude externally to me, he's saying there's no point in cutting off ties entirely even though he acknowledges that basically if we lose he's going to be the vote again. I think he sees that last vote as being driven by the former 99 and 12 tribes and that Leon and I just had to go along. It's not wrong per se but also we didn't fight at all (which I also think he realizes).

So Chase and I talked a little more and he asked me how I see the tribe and if there's anyone I'm closer to than others. I kind of gave him a bullshit answer, I was just like "well I like Leon a lot and I really like you and want too work with youo, and I like everyone else too". I think he'll probably see through that, but maybe he buys that I'm most interested in working with him. I'm not sure I really had a good play here, because I don't want to give away the alliance but I also don't want to make it sound like I'm closest with Cheddar and then implicitly invite him to then target Hercule or Judy.

One interesting story was the question of what was that "Leon heard Cheddar's name and shot it down" thing all about? Apparently Leon said this to Paul thinking it might put him off the scent that he was the vote but it kind of didn't help, and worse, when Leon said that, he did so because he ostensibly heard Cheddar's name from Poirot in our group chat with Judy. Leon of course was never going to explicitly attribute it to Poirot, but I don't think he thought through what he would say if pressed on the question. There's a limited set of people it could be, either people in our alliance or former 12s. Thankfully, Cheddar's takeaway was "Great, Leon has my back" and not "wait who's saying my name". I told Leon that if the question comes up to pin it on Kate.

Anyway, I think it's just kind of understood that we all just voted Paul, and if we go back to TC, we'll vote him again, like I've explicitly said it in multiple conversations. And Paul completely acknowledged it to me, he's in the hero role for this challenge specifically to take his fate in his own hands, the tribe's success or failure is on his shoulders and he realizes if we don't win he's basically going to go. Does he have a second idol? who knows? I hope not, and if he does I'm a little worried he'll vote Poirot, because Poirot definitely feels like that relationship has changed and seems kind of passive-aggressive. Paul isn't the chattiest guy so I could see him being less than crazy about Poirot's affectations.
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on July 12, 2020, 01:11:29 am
Life is pain
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on July 12, 2020, 01:12:06 am
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on July 13, 2020, 12:05:38 am
Things are frustrating, gotta be honest. In a way I'm glad we didn't swap tonight because I had some work to catch up on that I needed to address this evening, and I didn't need to meet new people tonight, but god it's going to be so tilting if we lose a fourth challenge in a row, six out of seven for me and Leon. And like, I have only passing familiarity with Mafia, I dunno, it's hard.

Paul on his way out said he thinks Cheddar and Chase are close, which they might be, I really don't know. If we go to TC we'll find out I guess.
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on July 13, 2020, 11:43:52 pm
Hahahahaha life is complete and utter shit

Anyway, if I had to guess, Chase is gonna be going, we'll see how things shake out but our alliance seems relatively set on it.

Poirot, because he's the fuckin best, brought to me that Leon told him that he's closer to Scruff and Jake than he is to me, and that he wants to make a four with Leon, Scruff, Jake, and Poirot. So fucking much for Leon and I being in a tight two, huh? I mean, I could have worked harder at reinforcing that, I'll admit, but yeah, ugh. This probably isn't something to address right now but I'm really glad Poirot brought it to me, and I sort of brain-dumped at him about what happened on the original 27th tribe and specifically my thoughts on both Jake and Scruff. There's definitely nobody I'm closer to in this game, and what I said still stands that I suspect at some point if we were to get down to it, one of us would probably take out the other if we saw the other as an impediment to winning, but that's basically the story of every alliance, right? Making it there is going to be tough so there's no reason to think too hard about it for now.
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on July 14, 2020, 10:26:20 pm
I should probably write a confessional since we swapped.

Poirot: Happy he's here, he's still the best ally I could ask for, but we're in a tight spot.

Judy: Still good, I think she might be in danger if we go to TC.

Nick: Just didn't get a lot of time to exchange messages, we'll follow up tomorrow.

Penelope: Seems sweet, enthusiastic (by which i mean every sentence in her first PM ended in an exclamation point), but kind of doesn't have a lot to talk about? Thankfully we got to talk about board games some and I brought up cooking so maybe there's something there.

Lucifer: Seems kind of cold? Like I just got off a tribe that went to four straight TCs and you're not asking at all how it went just "yeah, that's rough"? I dunno, the preliminary vibe I get is that I don't possibly figure into whatever his plans are, which isn't great.

Jake: Ugh it's frustrating because he honestly gave me a LOT on what went down on the other tribe, especially considering that they never went to TC so it'd be pretty easy to handwave things. But he also basically laid it out as "hey I can keep you safe with the former BAU members" with the implicit "so we can vote out a former SVU/99th". He also said Lucifer thinks that Poirot and Judy are like, super close, which is not an accurate read imho, but also not wholly inaccurate in that the3y worked together on the last tribe and we're in a group chat. I actually asked him straight-up if he's just dead set on it being one of them going if we go to TC, we'll see what his answer is.

Honestly I kinda don't like working with Jake. I feel like he's playing so goddamn hard and so out in front and it's so dumb, he's never going to be able to hide after the merge and it feels so frustrating to be in a position where I have a bad feeling that people I like and think are better players than him are going to get cut down because of circumstances just so he can flame out like a dumbass. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe he can make it all the way, but it seems incredibly unlikely to me.
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on July 15, 2020, 09:13:57 am
So after I wrote this confessional, Penelope got back to me again and started talking game, which was positive. She sounded like she didn't get along the best with Lucifer, which could the the way in for our former SVU folks.

Jake also responded to me asking if he was set on an SVU going and he said no but he didn't want to betray people blahblahblah. I said hey, that's great, that's all I wanted to hear, let's work on this. here's his response:
Yeah, I agree. I understand that the SVU was hell, but the BAU felt a bit like Purgatory. A lot of hurry up and wait...form an alliance, make a plan, barely win the challenge and then have to retire the plan. I'm not comparing that to your experience, but it made for a very weird (and untested) dynamic. God help me I like everyone on that tribe. I'm prepared to default on some of those relationships, but it will be difficult for the ethical rules I've set for myself this game. Not impossible, though.
to be clear, the first half of this message is totally fine. but "God help me I like everyone on that tribe" yeesh like fucking go from 9 to 5 and get the fuck back to me about making tough choices
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on July 16, 2020, 12:34:17 am
So Jake, Penelope, and I won our codenames game, which was really good. It's a weird feeling winning when you've lost so many times.

Feelings on folks:

Poirot: Still the best. He, Judy, and I are collaborating on this Tiger idol challenge, and I think we can guarantee that we get it if we're all on and working when we get our additional clues.

Judy: It's funny, I'd just made a joking comment to Poirot that I'd recommended death metal to Judy, but she shortly thereafter asked for more recommendations. We'll get her listening to Putrid Pile in no time.

Penelope: She's the new person I'd say I have the best connection with, I like her and she's willing to talk game (and I kind of get the impression a lot of people on the last tribe didn't do that with her, which is even better). I got the impression she'd like to go for Lucifer, which would be fine by me, and I think Poirot got the same impression.

Jake: Honestly there's nothing to update here since earlier, he was super super busy today I think. He and Poirot I think feel very good about each other, but Poirot knows enough that we'll need to be wary of him if/once we hit merge.

Lucifer: We've chatted, it's not awful, but I wouldn't be surprised if his name were floated seriously if we were to go to TC. We haven't really talked game at all, but it'd probably be a good idea to do that just to cover all the bases.

Nick: Honestly we've just exchanged so few messages. Tomorrow I want to try to message him first just so we can get some sort of back and forth going. It's mostly a schedule thing I think.
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on July 17, 2020, 12:01:46 am
Hey, I'm not on the shitty challenge tribe anymore!

So in our group chat with Poirot, Judy was like, way overstrategizing. I honestly didn't follow all of what she was saying, but it seemed to involve a) revealing info she probably shouldn't have to people who shouldn't know she has it and b) trying to distance from me and Poirot making it sound like we have stronger bonds on the other tribe? We're not even going to TC, for chrissakes. It seemed like a lot and I sort of worry that she already spilled too much. She talked in the past tense about telling Nick that she knew Lucifer was talking about her, which she knew from Jake telling me and me telling her, so uhhh I don't like being in that chain. This is messy and could be a problem.

My feelings on the tribe haven't changed much but my relationship with Nick is still by far the weakest. This one PM a day thing has to end, and while maybe I'm doing a shitty job at offering points to connect on, like, I'm PM'ing at a time when he has plenty of time to respond and I still don't get a response until the next morning.
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on July 18, 2020, 02:20:19 am
It was so nice having a day off without going to TC, god.

Brief summary of pre-challenge interactions:

Hercule: still the best

Judy: She apparently found the culprit for the immunity idol thing and shared it with me and Hercule, we've got a plan locked in if we go to TC.

Penelope: not much today but I still feel goood

Lucifer: honestly, liking this guy more as we talk. Talking about the other tribe's dynamics was weirdly positive, I definitely felt like we at least have kind of a similar view of tribe dynamics

Jake: in contrast to Lucifer, we talked about the other tribe and honestly he just talks himself into these crazy scenarios. He kept trying to talk about how maybe it wouldn't be Quentin going even though that was the easy boot. yet another red flag. to be clear, Jake is still a closer ally than Lucifer but we really don't look at the game the same way.

Penelope: she's great, big fan, want to ally with her, if we go to TC I'm hoping me, Poirot, and Judy can get her on board for booting one of the other three. Which probably would be Lucifer unfortunately given my positive comments up above but such is life.

Nick: We finally talked game but he still doesn't send me more than one PM a day, is he on fucking rations? Fuck me, like I realize our schedules don't line up great but either he's just ignoring the site in the evening or the morning or both, he seems to message at like 1pm his time or whatever and I reply at 6pm his time and he can't find it in him to get back to me until 1pm the next day? Like dude I am available for many hours after that, I would happily reply, this isn't the goddamn Civil War where it's like "Dearest Nick, I hope this message finds you well". Maybe I should lead off with that next time.

Anyway, so we got the 20 questions challenge and oh man Judy was kind of trying my last nerve. I think that's just her nature in talking through this stuff but it was really frustrating. She seemed fixated on the fact that a number of Australian logos were in the logo challenge, which is true, and it wouldn't shock me if one of these questions were Australian-centric, but like, we're still looking for 50/50s. She thought "west of the Urals, east of the Pacific Ocean" was a 50/50 question for "Famous people", are you kidding me? It was very frustrating.

Also, apologies for how profane I am in confessionals late at night (and maybe generally), I hope that doesn't rub people the wrong way.
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on July 19, 2020, 12:47:13 am
We won the challenge handily, which was nice. That last one was tough but thankfully the other team had just as much trouble and we were up on them in every other category.

Nick finally replied to me a little before the challenge ended, and honestly it was not a bad message. It was pretty long, talked about the tribe, I think he was trying to seem open to a Lucifer boot but also maybe priming me for the potential for a Judy boot? It was still good to hear game talk from him. He said he felt good about me, I guess that's good. Honestly that's maybe as much Poirot priming both of us to feel good about each other? Which to be clear, isn't an issue if that's the case, part of the point of allies is to help each other facilitate bonds.

Jake also messaged me, he was busy this weekend with some family retreat, but he did suggest bringing Poirot into the fold with the Good Old Boys, which is what he called the alliance of me, him, and Scruff. I told Poirot, and Poirot said he felt like Jake was hinting at Jake, Poirot, me, Scruff, and Leon working together post-merge, which would be fine but we'll need to keep an eye on our positioning, as Jake, Scruff, and Leon are probably closer to each other than us.

So after the challenge, a new opportunity for a clue went up, and Poirot messaged the group chat with me and Judy half an hour later saying how to find it. About 20 minutes after that, Jake messaged me saying Penelope told him about this same thing, and then told me that he tried it and there were no more clues available. I sort of wonder if Poirot heard about this from Penelope because he didn't mention that. It's also worth noting that Penelope messaged Jake (and maybe Poirot) about this and not me, which tells me I'm maybe not as close to her as I'd like to think. A part of me wonders if she's trying to ally closely with Jake and Poirot.

There's always a concern in this game that other people are closer to each other than they are to you, But at the same time, that's not necessarily the worst position to be in, if other people see what you see, those bigger threats and tighter bonds will get cut before you.

Anyway, I'm not sure I can sit next to Jake or Poirot at the end and win (I think Jake is gonna go well before that, Poirot I dunno), and really, Penelope may have been laying low early on and while I thought initially when I met her that other people felt worse about her than I did, Nick did comment in his message that she's been different/better on this tribe than she was on the previous ones. Anyway all of this is to say that I should be thinking about who I can sit next to at the end and win against and who needs to go post-merge, assuming I make it there. There are some big threats in this game, some I haven't even met, like Grouch and Pikachu. I might actually need Judy long-term as someone I could potentially beat at the end?
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on July 20, 2020, 11:11:57 am
This challenge seems potentially crapshooty (here's how you can tell: if I do poorly, it's a crapshoot, if I do well it's actually a well constructed challenge and kudos to the mods), so we'll see how the team does. Judy actually broached the subject of throwing to keep Leon safe, which is insane to me, but whatever.

I haven't heard from Nick since literally before the last challenge ended, haven't heard from Jake since late Saturday night, despite him posting publicly yesterday "I'm back from my family thing and going to PM everyone" or w/e. Like dude, why? Why even bother bullshitting?

Also, Nick and Jake show up all the time in the online users list despite this? I don't think that's intrinsically damning but it's very frustrating.
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on July 20, 2020, 11:18:38 pm
So we got absolutely trounced in the challenge. I'll admit, I suspect I'd prefer different scoring in this challenge (e.g. it should be absolute value, which I think it isn't), but we might have lost regardless. I was kind of blown away at some of the scores on the other tribe.

Anyway, so it's on to TC. We come out the gate and Poirot, Judy, and I have already agreed on Nick as our best target, so honestly I'm saying Nick's name to everyone but Nick. He did get back to me before the challenge results were posted, and I feel bad because it sounds like he has some serious stuff ongoing irl, but like god, there's just not enough? 2 full days without a message is just a tough thing to work with, and it's not like that was an anomaly. His messages were good otherwise but how much trust can I put in that? I'm pretty sure he was messaging other people during that time but not me. Anyway, I'm sure that the fact that I threw his name out got back to him, but c'est la vie.

Jake was going hard trying to sell Judy as the "smart" boot, but his arguments don't really make sense. I think what he's not saying is that Nick is a much closer ally for him than for others, so it makes little sense for him to get rid of Nick, but he won't just say that, it's all these dumb arguments about how the former 99th will come together postmerge (which isn't an argument over Lucifer and isn't an argument over the 12th doing the same thing). His point about separating Judy and Poirot is more valid, but it's too early, at least for me. I made the points (which I really believe) that a) they're not as close as he thinks and b) they'll be an easy visible post-merge target.

Meanwhile, Lucifer I think is super cagey and paranoid, I threw out Nick's name to him early and he wasn't really committing, I think he was afraid that I was just trying to get him to agree and throw him under the bus, which wasn't my aim but I can understand the concern. It wasn't until Judy talked to him and I think made him think I was actually receptive to the Nick vote that he reached out again. I told him, hey, I was being straight up when I threw that name out, I'm not playing some 4d chess game here. We're cool, I don't want to vote you out. I should really work more tomorrow on building on that for the post-merge.

Judy also sent Jake what he described as a "forceful" message (which made me laugh), arguing that they have so many mutual friends, him targeting her is just making life harder for the both of them, which really is a good argument. Anyway long story short, Jake came around with Judy's and my arguments (and also I think realizing that the vote was there whether he was on board or not, flashbacks to the Hannah boot).

This probably alienates Penelope a bit, which is a shame, because I would be happy to go far with her, and I'm not quite sure how to mend this relationship.

If everything stays where I expect it will, I think both Judy and I deserve a lot of credit here, probably Judy more than me. That won't stop me from taking partial credit at FTC though, lol

Right now, it looks like Nick is going. I think a lot of us are expecting a merge following this boot, but honestly I could see us doing another round before merging, getting down to 10, with a battleback to bring the merge number back to 11.
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Scully and Hitchcock on July 21, 2020, 12:44:20 pm
HITCHCOCK: Thank you so much for saving Mable.
SCULLY: Mable is what he calls his favorite toilet seat.  Thank you so much for rescuing Gloria.
HITCHCOCK: Gloria is Scully's girl.  And by girl I mean toilet seat.  She's in the stall right next door to Mable.
SCULLY: Anyway, sorry you haven't seen us lately.  We've been getting... reacquainted.
HITCHCOCK: We're here now though!  So can you please catch us up on your game so far?  Give us the full debriefing!
SCULLY: Well, maybe not the full debriefing.  Maybe just a few sentences.
HITCHCOCK: Three sentences or less, please!
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on July 21, 2020, 01:14:09 pm
Things are looking good going into a possible merge with Poirot and Judy as one alliance and the original 27th (me, Jake, Scruff, Leon) as another. I think I'll be able to navigate the first few rounds without too much trouble if my alliances stay true. Hopefully my allies will end up being bigger targets than I am so I can make it to the end.
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on July 22, 2020, 12:33:57 am
Phew, so this has been quite a merge so far.

Going into this, Jake and I were hoping we could bring the 27th and 99th together early on, but Grouch was completely left out of the Cheddar vote, and Scruff hasn't talked to him in days.

I guess I'll just go through the new folks for now since it's late:

Grouch: I like Grouch a lot just from our limited interactions and knowing that Poirot is positive about him, but it seems obvious very early on that he's going to be a target.

Rust and Pikachu: Honestly had kind of similar interactions with both. Connected decently well all things considered, given that we haven't met until the merge. Talked about our respective votes, they seemed understanding about the Nick vote.

Scruff: it was great to reconnect with him but a real bummer that he sees Grouch as such a huge threat. And I mean, that's not wrong, Grouch is a "threat" in the sense of seeming like a capable social player based on interactions and third party opinions on him, but I see Scruff, Grouch, Poirot, and I as being cut out of the same cloth to a certain extent, and we really need to keep threats like each other around.

Still need to hear from Leon, I feel like his take on things could be very useful. Rust said that Leon was positive about me, which was good to hear. I still think I'm beneath several others in his list of priorities, but it's good to know that I'm at least someone he'll be positive about.
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on July 22, 2020, 12:48:17 am
Also how the fuck am I the first person to make a "time is a flat circle" joke to Rust? Christ almighty
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on July 23, 2020, 12:13:34 am
Rust: Actually we get along pretty well? We've talked TV, and he asked me for any tips on Poirot and Judy, and I told him to mention Agatha Christie, etc. for Poirot, which seems to have helped, and similarly Poirot and I roughly told him that Judy's a straight shooter, etc..

Pikachu: I said previously things were about the same with Rust and Pikachu and at this point I'd say that's not the case at all. Like it's as much on me as on him, but I get the impression that he has little use for me in the game going forward. We talked about how oh it's not original tribes, we build bonds as we go on, and he explicitly was like "yeah you build bonds with people you've spent time with, versus us who just met at the merge". Like is it even reading between the lines to say that he couldn't give less of a shit about whether I want to work with him?

Grouch: Things got a little clunkier but I still feel decent, but also he's guaranteed to be targeted this round and it could be tough/impossible to save him. I've been trying to mend whatever differences there are between him and Leon/Scruff, and he ostensibly seems receptive but who knows, and it's probably futile anyway.

Leon: he thinks Grouch hates him, which I don't think is true, and he was feeling me out for whether Judy/Poirot/I would be bothered if he were voting Grouch this round. I tried to reassure him that it's not that bad but also that if that's the way the vote goes then I don't think there are any hard feelings.

Poirot: still the best, we talked about rust/pikachu/grouch, we realize it's an uphill battle. I had suggested Penelope's name last night as an alternate vote, just spitballing, he thinks that doesn't make sense and I think he's right. Honestly if we weren't so close I'd be concerned that that kind of thing would be leaked, but I still feel good.

Judy: We talked a bit about her perception as gamebot and I said I hate that word/concept (which I do, I think it's dumb lazy shorthand for bad social play but the phrasing just demonizes strategic play and they're two completely different things). I tipped her off (Poirot too) to the fact that Leon was concerned about their reaction if he were to vote Grouch at TC so we can manage that relationship. She said she likes Rust more than Pikachu, and actually compared Rust to me in terms of interactions, which I can sort of see?

Scruff: tried to encourage mending fences with Grouch but I think I'm probably shouting into the void. Even if that happens, who would his target be? Probably Penelope or Lucifer?

Lucifer: just talked about how we see the tribe, and the dynamics on the former Narcotics Unit

Jake: honestly this cycle is definitely going to hinge on his take on things and he hasn't messaged me since before the merge (which I think goes for everyone, so I don't mean to sound paranoid).


Honestly I'd love to see Pikachu go, by far the person with the least interest in working with me, we'll see how the challenge shakes out.
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on July 23, 2020, 01:30:04 pm
lmao nope it was just me Jake wasn't messaging! Thanks buddy! Thanks great ally, so glad we could talk this stuff through! Love to go 48+ hours without a message from a close ally at the beginning of the merge.

Jake is so frustrating to work with, like I don't think he's dumb but he makes arguments that don't make sense, and I don't know if he believes them himself or he thinks they'll convince other people? And also he'll raise "concerns" without actually saying how this should alter our course of action, and you get the impression he has a very clear idea of how he wants things to go but he's hemming and hawing and dancing around and won't come the fuck out and say it.
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on July 24, 2020, 12:58:10 am
I should have left more time at the end of the night to write a confessional.

So Jake eventually suggested a group PM with Hercule so we can talk out how we want this to go. Long story short, I think Jake wants someone from the former 99th to go, and I think that if that happens then he's going to be unwilling to flip and the Narcotics Unit 4 of Scruff/Leon/Rust/Pikachu can just pick people off with him. The one hope is getting Penelope to vote out oone of Leon/Rust/Pikachu

Tonight was pretty frustrating, basically 10 people messaging back and forth "I haven't heard a name, have you?". Poirot and I talked and kind of came to the conclusion above that one of Leon/Rust/Pikachu has to go, because if they don't then the four of them have Jake or Penelope on their side and we'd need both of them to flip to avoid rocks at the next TC.

Penelope messaged late in the night saying that she wasn't hearing anything, felt isolated, etc., and I actually was pretty honest with her about how I saw things (what I described above). This could be a huge mistake but if it is then my fate was probably already sealed. I said I would prefer to vote out Rust or Pikachu, but if those were dealbreakers for her I would entertain voting out Leon.

I really don't want to vote out Leon, not so much because I think he's a loyal ally, but because what a fucking shitty way to go, yoou go to 8 out of 10 TCs pre-merge and then you're the merge boot? But still, I know that I'm at best top 5 in his book (and more likely top 7 at best), so I can't really feel like it's that much of a betrayal. I'm hoping Penelope is open to Pikachu or Rust as the vote (hopefully Pikachu).
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Alexandra Cabot on July 24, 2020, 04:19:02 am
so what are you leaning towards currently 🥺👉👈
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on July 24, 2020, 09:19:34 am
so what are you leaning towards currently 🥺👉👈
Jake is saying Leon would vote Pikachu next round, which makes things a little easier. I think we might end up voting Lucifer out here, which both Jake and Penelope would be on board with. We'll see
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on July 25, 2020, 12:25:14 am
lol fuck me

I dunno if I can even recap what happened today because I wasn't privy to so much. Initially the vote seemed to be Lucifer? A bunch of people led by I guess Rust/Pikachu/Scruff organized a vote on Jake. Pikachu weirdly interrogated me asking if his name was said and who was saying it.

We had me, Jake, Leon, Poirot, and Judy on Pikachu, and we assumed Scruff was with us, but like shortly before the deadline he sends all of us sans Jake (I assume) a form letter saying he was going to vote for Jake because he's the biggest threat in the game. So fuck us, I guess. Poirot and Judy switch their votes to Jake since it's a losing cause, I figure there's really no point in switching my vote, and then Jake pulls out an idol and Pikachu goes home. So I guess I got my desired result? through no action of my own?

Now, I actually was kinda busy today so I didn't have time to message a lot, and also I was being kept out of a lot of the real machinations so I wasn't getting many messages to begin with, just ones from Jake and Poirot about how there were giant group chats formed to alternately target me/Poirot/Judy or me/Jake.

Scruff immediately messages with this cockamamie story about how oh nobody told him we had the votes to save Jake, he thought Poirot and Judy were going to vote for him so it was a done deal, but it did NOT match up with his stupid form letter. He also thought it would make sense to try to blame me/us for not communicating better with him? Not that he's making it to the end but it was fucking insulting and I'm not a bitter juror but he went a long ways to losing my jury vote with that bullshit. And the thing is, when I hear from Poirot, he definitely makes it sound like Scruff must have been in on this from the start. Judy says he was the driving force, and "pleading" with her to vote Jake over Pikachu. Honestly this doesn't make a whole lot of sense but I think Scruff must have been really really hoping that he wouldn't be the deciding vote.

After the vote I reach out to various people, I feel like I at least smoothed over things a little with Lucifer and Grouch. Scruff can go fuck himself. Rust I haven't heard back from, but it's fine, I get it, his best ally (I assume) got idoled out. Oh also, Penelope reached out almost immediately after the vote and said that she hadn't lied to me today but obviously hadn't looped me in. Eh, whatever, it's not awful. It's not that different from the Nick vote on the Strike Team? I have yet to hear back from her though.

Most of my messaging tonight happened with Leon though, he was saying "oh well Scruff is saying blahblahblah" and I tell him Scruff's full of shit, and also I tell him about how a couple days ago Scruff was talking about how we couldn't take Leon to the end because he'd win (I'm dubious on whether that's true and whether Scruff sincerely believes it; I think it's just as likely he brought it up to try to get me to agree with it). This honestly seems to kind of really rattle Leon? I think he thought of Scruff as his #1 and this is his first real feeling of betrayal by a close ally? And he also realized that oh, maybe Scruff manipulated me into voting Cheddar (even though Leon didn't feel great about Pikachu) because Scruff was close to Pikachu and it would alienate Leon from Grouch. Honestly that's a pretty good insight, I'm impressed.

Anyway, where we stand now is that I'm kind of fucked, like today did not go how I wanted it to, even though Pikachu is out and I'm thankful for that. I really really don't want to be dragged to the end as some fuckup losing finalist, that's kind of my worst fear. So I guess I need to try to create a case I can argue at FTC now. I thought I had an okay path for that but this definitely shakes things up.
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on July 26, 2020, 10:46:29 pm
So I didn't write a confessional last night, I guess I should do one tonight.

Scruff went home, which is kind of what I wanted, I just needed it to happen in a way that Jake and Leon didn't feel too burned, and I think we accomplished that?

So revisiting the merge TC, I still don't totally know what happened. I still feel like Scruff had at best resigned himself early to losing Jake, and maybe sincerely thought the votes were going that way, but I also think he saw a good path forward for himself with Jake out of the picture so he didn't mind it at all. Honestly, I got kind of heated in our PMs, I strongly implied I didn't buy his story at all (basically outright said it), and also it was telling that in his response, he basically tried to throw Jake under the bus talking about how Jake didn't value me, I was the fourth to the trio of Scruff, Jake, and Leon (which I suspected from the start), I was just a vote to pick up, etc.. I probably was too forward in saying that I knew Scruff and Jake were licking their chops at the prospect of dragging Leon along, but I don't think I was wrong either. Anyway, I eventually apologized for being so heated and he did too but honestly, it was clear that we'd always be mistrustful of each other going forward, which is why I was happy to see him go. I do think this was a misplay on my part; him going still might have been the best result but I burned a bridge unnecessarily and that's entirely on me.

Today's vote was kind of hectic, Jake (along with Scruff) was trying his damnedest to put it on Grouch and Lucifer but while also trying to blame Rust for that push when talking to Grouch/Lucifer? It became apparent that that vote wasn't going to happen, and the supposed other vote was going to be to vote for Rust, but Jake and Scruff's scheming ended up in the vote landing on Scruff, and I'd already implied to several people on the other side that I was okay with a Scruff vote, which probably made it easier to pull off.

Scruff's post in the TC thread was honestly kind of accurate, at least in broad strokes? SVU is strongly together, people should be afraid of us, and everyone who isn't us should probably be teaming up against us, but the thing is that Penelope, Grouch, and Lucifer kind of loathe Jake for understandable reasons, and Jake is with us almost by default (but also he, Poirot, and I are actively working together, so it's more than just default).

If SVU + Jake rides this out, the jury is going to fucking despise us. But hey, they'll have to make someone the winner. I think I have a decent shot? I'm not doing as much as Judy or Poirot, and sitting next to them could be a serious issue for me winning. I think I could probably beat Jake and Leon. We're still a long ways away though, so we'll see.

I realize in the last post I was like "oh no everything is awful" at the end, which was probably dumb in retrospect, I think it was just because I heard just so little directly during that TC, this one went better. I do think there's a danger that I'm not active enough, I feel like other people are having more conversations, and I need to be talking more game? This may be a regret in the end. We'll see.
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on July 27, 2020, 11:57:18 pm
Well being a huge nerd paid off I guess.

I'm trying to drive the "we need to vote off a 99th" narrative with Rust and Penelope, and apparently it's not really landing since Rust supposedly relayed my conversation with him back to Poirot? Which is so weird because like, I said I wouldn't vote Poirot to Rust? I mean I guess this is to stir up the Jake vote.

Poirot has said for a couple days that he realizes that this round he's going to blow up his spot and betray loyalties. I thought trying to push the 99th storyline miiight give him a little cover but I guess not.

Leon said that Grouch told him that Judy had said Jake's name first? I said I think that's probably not a big deal, and I think it probably isn't, but who knows. I brought that to Poirot, still waiting to hear back.

The thing is, I could see it making sense for them to vote Jake off maybe? or Leon? Like Poirot and Judy have to be kind of concerned about a final 5 of me, Jake, Leon, and them. But it seems so early to do that. Also, Poirot is saying so much about how he's going to need to betray the 99th, and how it should probably be Grouch, and detailed messages about the pros and cons of taking Jake versus Leon, like if he's playing me here, that's an awful lot of ammunition to offer up? Maybe it isn't ammunition if he's telling them he's offering it. Similarly, he didn't need to tell me that Rust was relaying my conversation with him to Poirot either. I dunno, the game makes you paranoid.

It'd be so nice if you could just write confessionals where you see every aspect of the game clearly and every relationship but sadly that's not how it works.
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on July 28, 2020, 12:35:08 am
Poirot said it was just Judy being Judy, which makes sense.
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on July 29, 2020, 12:21:53 am
Well Grouch went as planned.

Afterwards didn't go so well. Rust and Penelope did not seem keen on being kept out of the vote and I haven't even heard back from Lucifer.

Rust really lit into me a bit, and I'll admit my message to him initially did not come across well, I dunno if it sounded cocky but it absolutely projected like "I'm probably not working with you in the future", which was stupid and a big mistake just given the conversations we'd had about Jake's social failings. Anyway he strongly implied that a) I was drawing dead if I made it to the end, and b) that people would see my positioning and target me as a result and I need allies outside our SVU + Jake alliance to ensure that doesn't happen. Maybe those things are true, I dunno. It's possible they are, but this was in part an act of desperation. While he's telling me I'm drawing dead, he's telling Poirot that I'm going to win if I get to the end and need to be taken out. I think he's sincerely annoyed with me and I probably did damage in losing a jury vote here, but I don't know that it's entirely unsalvageable?

The thing is, his angle doesn't make sense. If I'm drawing dead against any of SVU/Jake, how the fuck am I going to win against the other three? Like maybe Lucifer? Certainly not Rust or Penelope. So if that's the case, why would I want to lose to him, I'd rather just lose to Poirot. Ideally if I'm drawing dead I don't even want to be there in the first place, to be quite honest. Either way, none of this makes me think "Oh wait I should be sitting next to Rust at the end", but maybe he's just being realistic and realizes that's not going to be a conclusion I ever come to, and this is just bargaining to make it some incremental bit further.

Penelope was a bit less pissed outwardly but who knows if she is on the inside. She asked me to be honest about what her future looks like, is she just a sitting duck, does she just have to win out, etc.. It's maybe a mistake but I was relatively honest with her? I said I think she isn't a sitting duck right now but that she is going to be perceived both as a challenge threat (obviously) and a jury threat because she hasn't pissed off anyone other than Jake really.

Poirot talked through various final 4 scenarios and I'm afraid our interests inevitably differ there. I've said it before but I don't think there's any way I (or honestly anyone else? maybe Penelope or Rust?) win at the end next to him. I'm trying to entertain this stuff like we definitely want to be in the final 4 together and the final 3 after that, but it just doesn't make sense. I think my best bet is against Jake and Leon, and he knows that which is why he's making arguments about why we can't be in that final four. We'll see how this goes. If that were to be the final 4 and I won immunity and eliminated him, I still think I'd get his vote. It might be the only one I get, lol
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on July 30, 2020, 12:42:11 am
Judy won immunity, okay. Jake immediately messages the group of SVU + Jake and says that he's going to tell Lucifer it's him, and then reveal that to Rust, but we'll all vote out Penelope. Typical Jake, no discussion, no input, just presenting the plan and you have to confirm or deny.

This isn't my favorite plan because honestly, I like Penelope? And I thought maybe we could keep her another round. I tell Poirot this and he says Judy isn't totally on board either. It takes a couple messages and he says actually not only is she not on board, she's looking to flip on Jake, which I think makes total sense for her. I don't think any of us were planning on her in the final 3, and while I'm not sure flipping makes her odds particularly more likely, it at least a) keeps Penelope around as a challenge and jury threat and b) creates a certain amount of chaos, which could benefit her. Poirot is basically saying that if Judy forces this that he can't do anything to stop it, which I think makes sense for him. He's still trying to convince her not to do it though.

The funny thing is Rust suddenly got a lot more "gosh, tell me what to do and I'll be on board". He did this before Poirot told me Judy was looking to flip and I was already like "this is a little odd" and it made a lot more sense when I found that out. I'm still playing dumb and now we're just talking about how Poirot and Judy are a pair.

I kind of expect Jake to go here, it makes sense for a lot of people. I still think Judy can't make it to the end without virtually winning out but if she does I'll be happy to vote for her.

I really would have liked to have sat next to Jake and Leon but I doubt that's happening now. I'm not sure who I can beat. Everyone talks about "oh who even knows who's a jury threat" but I feel pretty solid in my views of the game? Like if I were a juror, I'm not saying my opinion couldn't be swayed, or that FTC questioning doesn't matter, just that I definitely have preferences. I'm gonna be kinda sick to my stomach for days if I'm at FTC against people I can't beat, it sounds like utter fucking misery. And I kind of worry that's my fate here? We'll see.
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Scully and Hitchcock on July 31, 2020, 02:17:53 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/Km5lrVZ.jpg?1)

SCULLY: We just got done reading your report.
HITCHCOCK: I usually only read books they make movies out of, but this... wait, no.
SCULLY: You mean movies they make books out of.
HITCHCOCK: Right.  This was good though, what's next?
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on July 31, 2020, 11:29:18 pm
Hahaha my game is a fucking mess right now.

So after Jake went I really made a decision that I needed to do something affirmative to try to secure a win, which I probably should have been doing more actively beforehand but I'm not claiming to be good at this game (even if I shittalk other people which probably seems hypocritical or stupid). Anyway, to that end, I proposed a final 3 to Lucifer with Leon as the third, even though Leon would rather be with Rust (who I think is far more threatening).

I also took a risk before the challenge and kind of preemptively indicated I'd be interested in going against Judy this round to Rust overtly and Penelope more subtly, and I guess Poirot also brought it to Penelope and said I was on board.

So fast forward to the challenge results, Penelope has won, hooray! We can get Judy out!

Except no, Judy actually won.

Now everyone scrambles (probably Rust in this case I think?) to Judy saying I wanted to vote her out, she asks Penelope, who confirms it (even though to Penelope I never said that, but I said that I wasn't happy with Judy). So she brings that to the LL 'cule J group chat, and I own up to it, I say last round I felt very left out and didn't feel like I was a part of her plans going forward. She comes back with a big whiny post about how she was just working to keep our alliance together and gosh, sorry she didn't PM me because she thuoght we were good. Total fucking bullshit, I know that she was saying to Poirot that she wanted me out right after Jake, she can cram that straight up her ass as far as I'm concerned. That said, I'm not going to say that because I'm never going to blow up Poirot's game.

I tried to see if I could flip this onto Lucifer, since both Rust and Poirot had strongly hinted or said outright they wanted Lucifer out and were worried about him going deep. Poirot also told me that Rust actually kind of prefers Leon to go over Lucifer here, and that might get more traction with Penelope, who completely shut down a Lucifer vote. But I really have no idea how to broach that with Rust since we've been talking mostly about him, me, and Leon going far.

I think there's a good chance I'm going here, and if I don't, I've burned at least a couple relationships.
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on August 01, 2020, 01:57:25 am
So Poirot basically said to just put it out there with Lucifer and Rust, explicitly propose a final 4 with Poirot, say we'll vote out Leon. So that's what I did. It's late so obviously no response but we'll see how this goes.

Leon told me Judy's voting for me but he's voting Penelope, which makes me feel kind of awful (even though I really still barely know if he as any actual loyalties other than constantly wanting to vote out Penelope)
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on August 01, 2020, 09:35:12 pm
So yeah, things didn't go great today. Rust and Lucifer were like "oh yeah I'd be interested but is the other guy?" It sounds like this was mostly Lucifer not being on board for whatever reason though who knows about Rust.

Poirot tried to put together something where him, me, Rust, and Leon vote out Penelope but me trying to pitch Leon apparently made him (quite justifiably) feel pretty burned/angry, I'm not surprised he wouldn't be on board.

I don't normally quote my PMs in confessional, but I was proud of this quip on the way out to Poirot: "BTW can I tell you that the absolute worst part about this is the utter disrespect for classic American literature, Lennie is supposed to kill the rabbits, not the other way around"

I'm glad Scruff and I were able to bury the hatchet in jury, I really do feel bad about how all that happened and my behavior specifically.

It might not seem like it very often but I did have a good time playing, thanks to the mods and the specs (shout out to Doug Judy for filling in on that challenge, you did a great job and I appreciated you stepping up). I feel like I'm probably not actually fun to watch? But I hope people see some value in me being generally pretty honest in my confessional.
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on August 07, 2020, 12:35:17 am
My one observation about the jury is that Judy's perception of events seems kind of off to me. I'm not looking to really argue about it, and maybe I'm the wrong one, so there's no point in raising it up (though I did reply to her take on why Nick was targeted on the Strike Team).

I'm obviously hoping Poirot is in the final 3 but if he isn't then I'm looking forward to him giving his perspective on things. At a minimum we'll at least be able to talk about Big Brother.
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on August 07, 2020, 08:17:14 pm
FUCK YEAH POIROT YOU BEAUTIFUL BRILLIANT BELGIAN
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on August 10, 2020, 11:43:18 pm
So Poirot's in the final 2 and I have to admit, my vote is virtually set. It's not even that I don't think Lucifer couldn't put forth a deserving case, but if he does, he'll probably have to win without my vote. Not because I have anything against him, or think he's intrinsically undeserving, just that if there's anyone who would unquestionably have my vote at the end, it's Poirot.
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on August 13, 2020, 01:03:30 am
I think Poirot's done a really good job with the jury questioning. I do feel bad that I revealed that I pursued a final 3 with Lucifer and Leon, I hope Poirot doesn't feel too bad about that, but like, he would have beaten me? And I think he knows it? This may be performative to an extent, not unlike JT and Stephen, who I referenced. Like yeah, you know, it's fuckin great to be the dude in a duo who would win, it's not such great shakes to be the other guy. Ugh I hate that I can't reference specific previous experience here because I had a pretty specific idea of how I would get to the end and it involved specifically not being out in front like Poirot (who wasn't out in front, we had Jake and Judy in front of us). Judy (and specifically her winning immunity) was really the wildcard that fucked that up. I'm still not sure we could get the votes on her the round that I left, it'd probably hinge on Leon in retrospect, but I think the argument for getting Jake out to Leon probably works to get Judy out? It's academic at this point.
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Joss Carter on August 13, 2020, 01:05:04 am
The specs can't see your confessional now! You can say whatever you want!
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on August 13, 2020, 01:05:31 am
Oh also one note, I haven't been super active in jury questioning just because my vote is so set and I don't want to be like the Obnoxious Advocate for someone who ends up turning people against them. If Poirot weren't doing as well I'd step up more, but I don't see it as necessary at this point, and I could easily see it damaging him, which is the last thing I would ever want to do.
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on August 13, 2020, 01:31:39 am
The specs can't see your confessional now! You can say whatever you want!
Ooh good point. So hi I'm het, and in my first game about 6-9 months ago, I felt like I had a vaguely similar relationship to Zoraster in that game that I did in this with Poirot (similar in that we met in the first swap and developed a close bond, different in that Zor and I spent a goodly time apart until meeting again at the merge). It's not the same because I love Poirot deeply in a way that I didn't quite to that extent with Zor, and also because Zor actively cut me at 5 in part because he thought I could beat him. I was hoping to be the Zor this time, but there was no Judy Hopps in that game unfortunately. Actually in retrospect that could have been Haschel if I didn't cut him so early in the merge? Sorry again about that.

I'm frustratingly competent at this game, which sounds like a humblebrag, but I mean it in the sense that like I have good odds to make it a decent way into the merge , but I don't know if I can ever close it out. And that's too fatalistic to say "can't ever", but playing this game takes a lot out of you so I dunno if I'll play again soon. My takeaway from my first game was that I need to play less, so that I'm the less appetizing target, and things still didn't really work out. Like I said above, probably because of Judy.
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on August 14, 2020, 11:52:10 pm
I think Poirot had maybe a couple clunkers in his answers, but Lucifer seemed sort of resigned to getting an anti-Poirot vote more than pro-Lucifer, so I think Poirot probably will have this? We'll see with the closing statements. I think Lucifer completely punting on Grouch's question about how the jury will vote (which, I'll be honest, I always hate as a question, it feels like such a trap, but kudos to Poirot for stepping up on that one and actually doing a good job) probably pushed Grouch towards Poirot a bit.

I think Poirot's biggest missteps were probably towards Pikachu, e.g. saying that when Pikachu tried to push me/Poirot/Judy as a vote it "backfired" on him, which I think was poor phrasing; it didn't get any traction, but Pikachu basically got the votes the way he wanted them on that vote, he just got hit with an idol, which I suppose you could ascribe to him targeting Jake and Jake's allies in the former SVU. I probably would have gone out of my way to frame that vote as like "hey, Pikachu, you made a great move that should have worked, I was fortunate enough to be good with the person you targeted and he had an idol". I understand the point that Poirot was making, which wasn't about how Pikachu went home that round but how a vote on Poirot couldn't have happened, but it seemed tone-deaf to me. Pikachu later seemed to strongly imply that he would be voting against Poirot for other reasons, so maybe it was a lost cause entirely, but I don't think that helped.

On a tangentially related note, one thing I've never been crazy about is when jurors criticize finalists' jury management of other players. Like, if A manages B poorly, then B doesn't vote for A, that's the consequence for that in my mind. I have a hard time imagining myself holding it against someone who I liked and felt treated me well for managing some other juror poorly (outside of serious social transgressions that go beyond "jury management", like sexism/racism/whatever). I realize that part of the game is understanding the criteria that each person uses in their evaluation of who to vote for at the end, so if someone's jury vote hinges on your jury management of everyone else then you're obligated to take that into account, but that's a criterion I've never been crazy about people putting much weight into.
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on August 15, 2020, 07:44:24 pm
Poirot desperately needed an editor for that final speech, hopefully it's enough.
Title: Re: Welcome to your confessional!
Post by: Lennie Briscoe on August 15, 2020, 07:54:11 pm
The specs can't see your confessional now! You can say whatever you want!
Ooh good point. So hi I'm het, and in my first game about 6-9 months ago, I felt like I had a vaguely similar relationship to Zoraster in that game that I did in this with Poirot (similar in that we met in the first swap and developed a close bond, different in that Zor and I spent a goodly time apart until meeting again at the merge). It's not the same because I love Poirot deeply in a way that I didn't quite to that extent with Zor, and also because Zor actively cut me at 5 in part because he thought I could beat him. I was hoping to be the Zor this time, but there was no Judy Hopps in that game unfortunately. Actually in retrospect that could have been Haschel if I didn't cut him so early in the merge? Sorry again about that.

I'm frustratingly competent at this game, which sounds like a humblebrag, but I mean it in the sense that like I have good odds to make it a decent way into the merge , but I don't know if I can ever close it out. And that's too fatalistic to say "can't ever", but playing this game takes a lot out of you so I dunno if I'll play again soon. My takeaway from my first game was that I need to play less, so that I'm the less appetizing target, and things still didn't really work out. Like I said above, probably because of Judy.
I was thinking about this some more and the thing is, I said my takeaway from my first game was that I need to play less, which is true that that was my takeaway, but it was really the wrong takeaway, and Poirot's closing speech really crystallized it. I said I wanted to be the Zor this time, but the fact is, both Poirot and Zor put way more effort into the game than I did. I'm sure I'll spend more time than is warranted or healthy thinking about this stuff in the coming weeks.