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Lucifer Morningstar / Re: FTC closing speech v2
« on: August 15, 2020, 01:43:16 pm »
I edited this post, please take note and use the edited version for my speech.
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I'm not sure where else to put this question, so it can go here. For both of you, what do you think each juror is looking for from you in order to give you their vote? Do you think you've done enough to show that for each person? If you were on the jury, what criteria would you be using to vote and in what ways does the game you played fit that?I value everyone's opinion and don't want to discount any jurors, but truth be told I think it's probably an unrealistic goal for me to win every juror's vote here and I think there's a decent chance it's impossible to do that without contradicting myself and making a mess of the game I played. I'm trying to highlight my game and what I think it represents and do so in a way that hopefully makes the jurors that appreciate the way I played inclined to vote for me. For other jurors who prefer something else, I'm trying to highlight the ways I played that might fit still their criterion and also show them that perhaps they should evaluate the game a little bit differently. Like if you're the type of juror who loves blindsides for instance and thinks they're fun to watch and the best part of Survivor, then I think it's highly improbable that you'd vote for me over Hercule because I never really pulled off a blindside and he did. But I do think that if you value challenge prowess especially in clutch situations and the resilient gameplay of someone who was on the bottom at times and lost some allies and struggled a little bit, but still ultimately persevered and never gave up hope and fought hard to get here- then I think I can make a compelling case that you should vote for me.
Alright, I think I’ll give one final question before I let other jurors do their thing (unless I come up with anything else).I think I missed this earlier. Assuming 5 is roughly average-
Lucifer and Poirot. Social, Strategic, Structural. Rate yourself in each of these categories on the much more sensible scale of 1-10.
I applaud you for making a big move, Hercule- but there's a few things I want to clarify here.So going into F4 I knew I wanted to target Rust or Hercule. Early on, I actually considered giving Leon my immunity necklace since I thought I had much better odds winning a tiebreaker challenge in the event it was necessary (I wasn't sure it was at that point) and wanted to keep him safe, but after some of the stuff I heard I decided I was firmly against that, because I wasn't that convinced he'd vote with me if I was vulnerable- I felt like having leverage in that situation was important for me. Personally, I was leaning towards Rust, but I knew Leon really preferred getting Hercule out and I was prepared to go with that if I needed to.
So at the start of the TC, we kind of agreed to vote Hercule- but then a few hours after it started- Leon decided to pitch the idea of tying the vote between Hercule and Rust and forcing the two of them to do a firemaking challenge. I was strongly opposed to this, I wasn't certain they were voting Leon at that point, but I was suspicious about it and even if it was possible from a strategic perspective it didn't make a lot of sense to me. I felt like we needed to try to take out the bigger threat and forcing a firemaking challenge seemed like a no decision and I thought that was a pretty bad idea, so I told him I really didn't want to do that. Then early the next morning he sent me a message about still wanting to vote Hercule, but a couple hours later- before I could respond, sent me a message that he'd changed his mind and was OK with Rust. So we agreed to vote there and I thought things were set. I did get a message from Rust saying that the jury was 'a lot more pro-Leon than I realized' or something along those lines about 20 minutes before TC ended, which I took to mean Hercule and Rust were voting Leon, but I felt OK about it since there should've at least been a firemaking challenge. Obviously, it didn't work out and I'm still not exactly sure what happened since I haven't heard from Leon since- I don't know if he was trying to force a 2-2 tie and didn't realize they were voting for him or hoping for a 2-1-1 vote where Hercule went. It didn't make a lot of sense to me.
I know zis wasn't a question for me, but I just want to clarify. Zis was my most impressive round of ze game and zis post tells me zat M. Morningstar at least still does not understand what I was did. I 'ave to assume zat some Jurors who weren't even zere might not understand either.
First of all, I will say zat M. Morningstar giving up 'is Immunity necklace to M. Kennedy would 'ave been an incredibly impressive move, even if eet might 'ave led to 'im going 'ome. I think zat was ze winning move for 'im zis round.
So M. Kennedy was telling me prior to ze vote zat 'e wanted M. Morningstar out. I still don't know if 'e truly wanted me or M. Morningstar gone 'ere if 'e 'ad ze choice. I was clearly ze superior move, so if M. Kennedy was planning on booting M. Morningstar at 4, zat ees a 'uge failing on M. Morningstar's part where even though eet was in both of zeir interests to work together, M. Kennedy still wanted to take 'im out. I 'ope zat M. Kennedy can come to FTC and give us some clarity on zis.
At ze beginning of ze round, 'e ees right zat M. Morningstar and M. Kennedy were both voting for me. Ze moment I saw zat M. Morningstar 'ad Immunity, I knew zat zey probably would, and I pressured both of zem into confessing eet to me.
When M. Kennedy sent you zat first message suggesting a firemaking challenge, zat was as a result of hours of work on my part convincing 'im zat sending me to a firemaking challenge was better for 'is game. 'E was not going to outright vote to keep me because 'e thought eet would ruin 'is relationship with M. Cohle, but I did convince 'im to send eet to a firemaking challenge, which of course I knew would send 'im 'ome, but 'e didn't know zat.
But M. Morningstar smartly would not do zat, so I 'ad to change tact. With zose double messages zat you received ze next morning from M. Kennedy, M. Morningstar, did you not wonder why M. Kennedy 'ad changed 'is mind? Zat was ze point where 'e started lying to you, and 'e started doing zat because I convinced 'im to. 'E was unwilling to vote for M. Cohle, but 'e was willing to lie to you to get you to vote for M. Cohle, because I told 'im zat unless I got a chance to make fire, 'e was never going to get my Jury vote, and I explained to 'im zat without my Jury vote, 'e 'ad truly no 'ope of winning. Lying to you was from 'is POV ze only way to force a tie without voting for M. Cohle, so zat was what 'e chose to do, and 'e told me zat 'e was going to do eet. 'E trusted me so much, even while 'e was telling me zat 'e was voting me out.
Eet seems to me like M. Morningstar 'ad all of ze tools at 'is disposal to prevent zis vote. 'E 'ad a suspicious message from M. Cohle. Why did M. Kennedy not know about zat suspicious message? You absolutely could 'ave made 'im realize what a mistake 'e could be making. 'E 'ad M. Kennedy changing 'is mind seemingly without being convinced to by someone else. When 'as M. Kennedy done zat ze whole game? 'E would change 'is mind, but usually only after 'e 'ad a conversation zat prompted 'im to. I knew from ze beginning zat M. Kennedy was probably voting for me once M. Morningstar won without 'aving to be told. M. Morningstar's reads zis round were bad, and what good reads 'e did 'ave, 'e did nothing about. If 'e suspected zat M. Kennedy might be getting votes, zen why didn't M. Kennedy?
Zis round was not M. Kennedy just doing things without any reason. 'E did 'ave a reason. Zat reason was me. Zat reason was ze hours of work I 'ad put in all game building up our relationship, and ze hours of work zat I put in during zis round to make sure zat 'e did what I needed 'im to do to keep myself safe.
I was ze only one zat round with all of ze information. I knew exactly what was 'appening every step of ze way. I engineered zat vote, and in my opinion eet ees one of ze most impressive things I 'ave seen in a game in a long time. If you 'ave any specific questions about what I did or 'ow I did eet, I would welcome zem, but you should not accept zat zis was just M. Kennedy doing random things in a way zat none of us could 'ave predicted when one of us consciously set zose things up.
To Lucifer:So at F6 the vote was between Judy and Penelope and I was able to get Judy eliminated when Hercule/Leon seemed to want to vote Penelope. And the F3 vote is obvious enough- I took Rust out. I think winning so many challenges also indirectly boosted my game early on- I think it helped that I had connections with a lot of players on the Strike Team and coming into merge I had met everyone except Leon so far and so I think that gave me a slight advantage over other players who hadn't met as many people.
How exactly did you leverage challenge wins to get what you wanted? I know you said that you did— but I haven’t really seen any specific examples of how you used immunity to your advantage beyond not being a target. In what vote(s) did you use being immune to your biggest advantage? Also, despite having the ability to force fire with pretty much anyone you wanted, how did you lose the person you wanted to go to the end with to a direct vote in the final four? How did that play out from your perspective?
A question for both finalists.I never used the statistics to independently justify a decision, but I do think it indirectly played a role a little bit. Like the fact Penelope was the top poster had a strong correlation to the fact that she was a challenge threat and very active in challenges in my opinion. I would also check when people were last online/how often they were online, especially in the early game. Like at a tribe swap it was helpful to see how much someone had been online and their post count, because I think there was a decent correlation between online time and how strong and social of a player they were likely to be.
Did you take the board statistics and individual player profile statistics into account in making game decisions? If so, how?
A question for both finalists.I'd say I was manipulated by Leon at F4. I thought I had more leverage in that situation and could've gotten him to vote with me and instead he flipped.
The ability to manipulate other players is crucial, as alluded to in many answers thus far. Can you identify any moments in the game where you were the manipulated party?
A statement for Hercule Poirot.
A magnificently eloquent speech, as expected. I must correct one assertion. If I won final immunity I would have voted you out with no hesitation.
My question is for Lucifer Morningstar.Sorry, that's my mistake.
For my last 72 hours in the game you didn't PM me. What the hell, man?
Hello to the both of you, I am determining my vote on a couple of things, mainly at how well you both handle this FTC, and I want you both to know I am not really the one to grill but I am gonna try since no one is playing the mean Juror yet!
Lucifer: I am happy to see you here at the end and I would commend you on picking Poirot to be here in the end with you over Rust, because I think most of the Jurors will agree that it would have been a basically open and shut case on determining the winner. I'm really going to make my thoughts known in this post.
For the both of you: Something that is really big with me is communication. Poirot you are at a disadvantage of this with me because we really only got to play together for one whole round and at times during that round it felt like you were just ignoring my message that was sitting in your inbox. The thing is though you weren't the only one who was doing that to me during the course of the game. Poirot, while your Opening Speech was nice, it felt like you were pandering too much to everyone specifically as you were putting out specific names. Why did you feel like the need to do so? It didn't feel like you necessarily needed to do so.
Lucifer your disadvantage is from a different aspect, we started off really strong back on BAU when it came to messaging each other, but it quickly died off near the end of BAU mainly probably because we had all gotten complacent. When we first reconnected during the merge it felt like you were apprehensive at first to talk with me, possibly because of the fact that you were involved with my number one ally going home in the game? I also know that situation didn't exactly go smoothly because of communication issues. What is a moment in the game that you felt like was your biggest mistake?
So the question is, why should I specifically vote for you to win?
Okay so, I do want to make a bit of an apology. As a juror, I often ask things in a emotionally charged way to see how you will address and handle those sorts of criticisms. I wasn't feeling particularly well yesterday and I may have been a little excessive on that front. However, both of you answered what I was hoping to get out of you both in what I asked and why. So I thank you for that.Your questions didn't bother me at all, you've been kind to me and given me an important opportunity to clarify things and I really appreciate that.
Let's have a much nicer fun question for you both. For each juror, what was your favourite moment with them that you shared? Whether it was a funny line or some topic of conversation you've had, or a really hard TC you got through together with them. Give us the parts of this game you loved most that each person influenced in some way.