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My Little Edgic
« on: March 30, 2019, 06:39:30 pm »
Here's where we all attempt an EDGIC and then fail to finish it.

http://insidesurvivor.com/survivor-edgic-an-introduction-3094


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Re: My Little Edgic
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2019, 05:46:07 pm »
First 24 hours here's the initial EDGIC and power rankings that I subjectively created:



OTT - Octavia and Flim and Flam. Octavia gets the OTT for using the scroll and not expressing the depth behind the decision - it wasn't mentioned how that will help her in the future, but instead it was just something that happened. Could be seen as overplaying early - I don't think she's in a bad position, but it's just something to note. Flim and Flam are seen as one-note and seems like they're here to be jokesters early on.

OTTN - Sombra - wants to be ranked low. Paranoid is the characteristic but not much else shown. There does not seem to be rationale behind the paranoia here. I don't remember hearing anything from other players about Sombra really.

CPP - Coco, Flutter, and Daddy - Coco gives great explanations for the gameplay and is seen positively by others - mostly Granny. Flutter again is showing us a lot about why she's making these choices and she also won the prize, so she's clearly in the upper echelon. Daddy is showing strategic mindset with how to handle the Flim alliance and how he's also managing the tribe early on. It wasn't just a mention of "oh, and this person offered me an alliance" but there was a weighing of balance in the situation there. All of them are showing how they want to advance further in the game and are showing how they will do it.

CP - DJ and Derpy - Both are explaining and showing us how they want to advance themselves further in the game. They're just not getting much SPV from other tribemates. If Derpy can tame down the philosophy with new tribemates, I think he can go the distance here. But he's running a tricky balance, because he just got great SPV from his current tribe, and I don't know how he's going to do in a new tribe.

MORP - Buried, Trixie, Soarin - All of them aren't really showing how they're advancing themselves further but they're also giving fair commentary and they're trying in this game by their effort. All are seen as having good connections with others and did well in the rankings.

MOR - Granny, Rarity, Sunburst, Pinkie, Starlight, Queen - These are characters that are, again, making an effort and they're giving commentary and have good connections. However, they're not really sharing how what they're doing is advancing them further. They're thriving, for sure though, they just haven't really gotten into strong strategy analysis in the confessional.

MORN - Grand Pear - He's doing the same as the others above, but made one comment that could last a long time "Pears > Apples"

UTR - Rainbow, Cheese, Thorax, Twilight, Maud - They need to do better in this swap to stand out. It might be timing, and it might be not knowing social norms in games, but they can be at risk here just because they're more in the background.

As for power rankings, I see Daddy as having done more just by being himself than Derpy did by gaining everything. Also I think Pinkie is showing a bit more than Trixie, so I could see her getting along with everypony whereas Trixie may have lucked out with the tribe and that's why Trixie got ranked so high. If Trixie can do well in a new tribe, I'd definitely reconsider.

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Re: My Little Edgic
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2019, 10:59:48 pm »
Can't argue against any of this.

You didn't talk about Applejack so for her sake when she reads this post-game she didn't give us much on the strategy front and two people thought she was boring.

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Re: My Little Edgic
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2019, 11:10:31 pm »
Oh my. UTRN. Not enough strategy posted, and also people speaking badly about her. Quite the bad rating, unfortunately. Let's hope the swap helps her out. Actually, I do see this swap as very good for her. Buys her potentially another 1-2 votes.

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Re: My Little Edgic
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2019, 11:12:48 pm »
Agreed, this is probably the best swap possible for her. 

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Re: My Little Edgic
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2019, 10:00:26 pm »


well, she's got something right, that's for sure.

also, you can lock in your OTTN5s now.

No, no, don't worry Vinyl. I might be able to catch the rare and elusive OTTNN this time around. If almost everypony in the tribe gives negative SPV, it could work. I have it from almost everypony but Sunburst, Queen, Daddy, and Derpy I think.

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Re: My Little Edgic
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2019, 05:54:37 am »
ur edgics r horseshist (lol horse humor lol)

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« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2019, 11:23:47 pm »


Hrm. I did a mix of both styles of ratings - game-orientation and self-editing.

Trixie gets the honor of OTTNN. everypony on her tribe doesn't trust or like her anymore and she is doing everything to be a character more than a player. In terms of game-orientation - this is classic overplaying for chaos sake without regard for how it advances her further. She did amazingly to ingratiate her with Queen, who appears to be a solid player, but Trixie fails by not showing restraint. If Trixie scaled it back 50% even, we wouldn't be here.

Starlight gets the other OTTN. Starlight is seen as untrustworthy because she made a rookie mistake of group PMing everypony except the player being voted out. Even on survivor this never works. Starlight had good intentions for her play, but poor, poor execution. I don't think Starlight fully understands the impact of protecting the play vs. protecting the alliance. Starlight is learning though, and because of her lack of experience, she has the opportunity to rebound if she plays it just right. But there is a lot of work that needs to be done - the good news is that Starlight just needs to look better than Trixie, which is entirely plausible and effortless. I don't think Starlight realises that she doesn't need to do that much really to get back in good terms - the trouble here is that the narrative is accurately falling on Starlight for creating two alliances. everypony else on the tribe is doing it or aiming for it, but Starlight has to deal with it being in the open and Starlight not hedging in terminology here. Had Starlight not officially created the alliance, she'd be in a better position.

OTT on Flim and Flam. Too much character, not enough strategy being spoken. Nonetheless, Flim and Flam have a great position in the tribe and are well respected. I would say in terms of game-orientation - the schtick is an obstacle to good play. But in a 24 player game, this is entirely fine in the first few rounds. If Flim and Flam are at 80% of this intensity of schtick at merge, they have no legs, but instead, just useless drawings of well-manicured abs.

OTTP. Derpy is seen as positive by many people and is strongly gaining allies in a silent way. This OTTP is because the OTT from the paranoia last minute with thinking that Trixie was going his way and trying to get a counter vote set up and really strange thoughts about how to get Sunburst to use the idol. However, Derpy truly set the stage here for the vote, but is actually getting Trixie and Starlight to take the fall. Derpy wanted all of this before those two took the limelight. Derpy was outside of the initial foursome alliance, but quietly and very strongly gained allies within that foursome (Starlight, DJ, Queen) enough to get everypony to consider Derpy as a potential alliance while still having doubts on the foursome. Derpy is a power player here, but that overplaying in the last hour was a bit too much. Derpy is also a bit over the top with the discussions with Daddio, but it's entertaining!

CPP - Lede. Buried Lede also is quietly and strongly accumulating allies independently. Buried is doing this by being fun and by being a character, but also has a quiet strength that others are drawn to. Must be the 'stache. A true dark horse at the moment. Buried is showing us why he's doing what he's doing and to what strategy, but is also using his humour to his advantage. It's starting to turn others a bit away, but nothing damaging yet. Probably the only true lone wolf at the moment, who is doing everything for himself and not his tribal pair.

CP - Sunburst - Sunburst picked the right time to peak. Enough to play the scroll to perfection, but also enough to be himself so that others want to save him. nopony really except Derpy wanted to save him maybe (and Trixie of course). Some had a preference but couldn't be arsed enough. Surviving bought him enough time to really get into the game and take advantage of the Trixie implosion. CP here is more game-orientation because the edit would be like one confessional of "oh hey, let me try this." then a montage of errors with telephone and then back to Sunburst and "oh hey, that worked." Not enough fleshing out of the strategy to be a true CP.

CP - Granny and Soarin - Both explaining well in their confessionals about what they're doing. Granny a bit more reaction-oriented as she's letting people come to her for the alliance making, but it's putting her in great position. Soarin doing the same, but a bit more proactive in the alliance creation.

CP - DJ and Queen - They did what they could in that tribal and both are explaining their game well and why they're doing what they're doing. DJ just a bit more secretive and able to take that step back and see from the outside. Queen using the pen pals in a strong manner.

MOR - Rainbow, Flutter, Daddy, Coco - They all kinda landed into alliances because of others, and not because of their chasing after others. This is good. This is strong gameplay for this stage of the game. They are using strong friendships to gain what they need just by being themselves. They all are also showing good observations and analysis in the confessional (less so for Rainbow). They are future power players and are taking a light jog while they can before things get worse later. Daddy treated his tribal the best. He let Derpy take the lead and he just followed. Furthermore, Daddy was pretty much out the entire first 12 hours of the swap, but still ended up in a very sweet position with Starlight/Trixie and also with DJ. Daddy is safe because he could make connections strongly without needing it to be all in the first few hours.

UTRP - Thorax is getting great SPV. People like him and want to work with him even though there's a greater alliance starting to build in the tribe. Thorax is being genuine and people like the true Thorax more than those who are a bit more intense and have great reputation. Thorax is doing very well in the confessional and probably should be getting a better rating because of it. But game-orientation wise, Thorax is riding the Status Quo. Thorax must take advantage of these relationships no later than Ep 2 though, because then the moment will be lost. By then Thorax will still be probably saved, but won't be in the core alliance, and instead will be a prize that is carried through to the next phase more as a teddy bear than a partner in crime.

UTR - Octavia, Rarity, Sombra, Pinkie, Grand - They need to confessionalize deeper. Pinkie is good at it, but not around as much. Rarity and Grand are on the edge of an alliance but really aren't high on the totem pole, but it's good to get by for now. Grand maybe less so than Rarity. Pinkie is only UTR because it's not INV, Pinkie also isn't searching for an alliance, and really should've. Octavia is showing good content but is a bit gun shy at the moment. Octavia has strong potential but needs to pick it up and send out feelers and sending out pick up lines. She's a bit too hesitant on anypony non-musical. Sombra just didn't connect as well as he could've. He was not really in danger, but not really safe either. Sombra needed a connection but didn't do it. Therefore, it was easier to toss him aside, when really he could've jumped up to #5 in the tribe if he had a stronger connection. Sombra was a good character too, just didn't take advantage at the right moment.

UTRN - Applejack - it's Applejack

INV - Maud and Cheese. Play? Cheese kinda is trying at least.

In game-orientation, I'd say Maud, Cheese, Twilight, Applejack, and Pinkie are intentionally avoiding playing the game when they shouldn't have. More action, less group discussion. Cheese has good hints of a better PM game, but without the confessional, we can't tell.

I'd say, overall, the MOR and UTR players aren't that bad off. For example Rainbow is in a strong position and is saving energy and capital for later. Not everypony can go 60mph the entire game. Derpy probably could, but it makes for a paranoid player too, and that causes mistakes later on.

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Re: My Little Edgic
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2019, 09:51:58 pm »


Not too much going on here except for Carousel trying to kill each other and the whole Starlight vs. Trixie bussing competition with DJ and Queen being the recipients. TC was a foregone conclusion so they were all mostly MOR/UTR in that tribe. Flim starts to fall while Thorax rises.

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Re: My Little Edgic
« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2019, 09:54:30 pm »
What did queen do to get OTTN?

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Re: My Little Edgic
« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2019, 10:15:25 pm »
Queen lied to DJ. She's overplaying that situation and it has dropped her down in the rankings. I went more for game-orientation ratings in this round.

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Re: My Little Edgic
« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2019, 10:20:57 pm »
Oh yeah, thanks.

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Re: My Little Edgic
« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2019, 08:18:17 pm »


Lots of good strategy moving around, also some bad mouthing others.

Cross-brawl convos from Flutter, DJ, Starlight, Flim, and Coco garner a CP rating. Coco continues building a harem of some sorts. Derpy has lots of negative SPV and is a lightning rod of activity. Derpy is reigned in by Daddy. Daddy is shrewd here, and is probably right. And pretty much Flim Flam is the star of the episode with the moves made cross-brawling.

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Re: My Little Edgic
« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2019, 05:56:36 pm »
 

I made ratings, but I don't know why. Not much happened. I should've waited until after redemption. I think that Castle of Friendship will have a lot of N SPV though, so maybe better to keep separate. To be continued

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« Reply #15 on: April 12, 2019, 09:41:19 pm »


Oooh, I'm glad I did separate ratings. Gameplay came alive today.

Pinkie played this right. Carousel gave her the advice that she needed to use. But more than that, she was just her general genuine self and didn't have to lay down a schtick. She developed the right relationships that made people think that she could be useful, but without going so far that she had to compromise and sell away her future. Also, she wasn't Trixie.

While Trixie played strongly and intensely here, the issue here was overplaying. Small pieces that she laid out in front of SC and SAA created enough doubt in the key voters that made them realize that voting Trixie in wasn't worth it to them and their future. Trixie's plan was right, but overplayed. Needed to tease enough that the overall plan was there, and just enough of personality was shown, but a bit more restraint so that all the musings that Pinkie was communicating to people wouldn't confirm Trixie's past plays.

Twilight had a rough draw here. Pinkie was a meme queen, Trixie is the chaos queen, and Twilight needed to stand far to the right to differentiate. It's really tough to do against two of the biggest characters in the School of Friendship. I love the persistence, and that's why you kept earning those EDGIC ratings during School of Friendship.

Key players were Buried, DJ, and Flutter. They were all forward thinking and balancing their options for five steps ahead in the game. They were the ones not thinking about just the current plays, or the immediate swap, but they're really evaluating everything in a very nuanced way. They all rose way up in my power rankings.

Queen was also thinking well for the future, but she also had strong neg SPV from Trixie. But I think a lot of it got lost in the mix, because Trixie began to move stronger against Starlight and Derpy, and Queen also reaffirmed everything with Flutter pre-swap.

Coco did well here but didn't really manage to show the five steps ahead, but just maybe 1.3 steps ahead. Still in the strongest position and managed the vote options well.

Flim and Thorax got some negative SPV from Pinkie. Flim moreso than Thorax. Flim is dropping hard because he's not got a strong ally even after all the attempts to align with others in the last challenge. Thorax is still doing fine, but Applejack could use the laughing at Pinkie later on, which could be a very bad thing.

Derpy and Starlight got killed by Trixie. They have natural charisma and need to go 150% to regain connections during the swap. The echoes from Trixie are going to give them an uphill climb. I think Derpy has played enough in the past to know how to rebound a tough situation. However I can see Starlight just taking on all the weight of the drama and not being able to get out from under it.

Rainbow, Rarity and Grand got involved with scrolls. Maybe Grand benefits the most from this? But it didn't seem like it was the primary story here.

Can't wait to see how strongly everything switches at swap.

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Re: My Little Edgic
« Reply #16 on: April 12, 2019, 09:44:18 pm »
Sorry to ask but what is SPV?

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Re: My Little Edgic
« Reply #17 on: April 12, 2019, 09:51:46 pm »
Second-person Visibility.

If I don't do anything particularly bad but Luna talks in her confessional about what a dick I am, then that's negative SPV.

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« Reply #18 on: April 12, 2019, 09:53:32 pm »
SPV = second person view (I had to google it). It's when you get third party musings about somepony. So when Buried tells us about Pinkie in a positive or negative way, that tells me the tone. When lots of people give negative SPV that leads to N tone. When lots of people speak highly of somepony, then gives them P tone.

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« Reply #19 on: April 12, 2019, 09:54:50 pm »
Because EDGIC is about editing, the only editing tone I get is from others' confessionals. On the show, SPV can be used to determine the tone or else music or excessive demonstration of buffoonery.

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Re: My Little Edgic
« Reply #20 on: April 14, 2019, 11:26:49 am »
By the by, are you assigning people an overall rating when they leave the game?

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« Reply #21 on: April 14, 2019, 01:12:18 pm »
By the by, are you assigning people an overall rating when they leave the game?

Nah. I'm not planning on it.  I don't think I've ever done it. anypony else is welcome to though

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« Reply #22 on: April 14, 2019, 02:16:55 pm »
Sombra UTR(N?)
Maud INV lol
Octavia UTR
Cheese UTR
Trixie OTTN

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« Reply #23 on: April 14, 2019, 02:18:02 pm »
I'm the only one not mentioned there :shfity:
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« Reply #24 on: April 14, 2019, 02:20:08 pm »
Twilight is UTRP. Cheese might be too.

Agreed on the others.

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« Reply #25 on: April 15, 2019, 06:20:02 pm »


Lots of great moves here. Flim Flam came from the dead based on his charm. Grand Pear earned his spot when he could've just ended up being a consensus boot. Flutter failed to shut things down and Daddy wasn't as effective in connecting. Then of course Rainbow worked it. Buried should've been in a power role but left that to Grand Pear to capitalize because he was busy and he didn't weaponize Pinkie in the best way possible.

On the other tribe, DJ and Starlight move up the ranks and Thorax is becoming more of a key player than he realizes. Derpy is way too polarizing for his own good.

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« Reply #26 on: April 15, 2019, 06:22:34 pm »
derpy is a WOMAN

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« Reply #27 on: April 15, 2019, 06:35:19 pm »
God is a woman.

So says Ariana Grand Pear.

Also Ghost of Trixie gets CP3.

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« Reply #28 on: April 16, 2019, 03:58:40 am »
ngl I was hoping that was gonna get filtered into mare now it just looks silly

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« Reply #29 on: April 18, 2019, 07:46:44 pm »
I'll comment probably next time. The main thing is the swing vote alliance overtaking the thabulous three. Of course, the amazing rise of Applejack begins. Also Thorax downgrade for being seen more as a floater than a real number.


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« Reply #30 on: April 19, 2019, 05:26:07 pm »


Trixie came back up again briefly. I think at this stage of the game, people have forgotten about Trixie, but the legacy has been long planted and will continue to blossom.

In the last vote, Flim Flam let Daddy die, but is now plotting against Rainbow Dash and should do so as well. Flim is at the bottom and should think about big movez. This is an actual vote that could go through. Flim and Buried are both riding that initial alliance that was created with Rarity/Rainbow. However, if that tribe didn't go to tribal immediately post-swap, I think Fluttershy could have recovered and may not have been voted out and instead we might be seeing Daddy/Flim as the two boots from this tribe instead. Fluttershy's ouster was well aided by timing. The alliance created between SC-SAA was borne from convenience and one timely night of enjoying each other's company. Rarity enjoyed Flim for a second and Rainbow liked Grand Pear and Buried was liked enough to create that alliance. However, they're not as highly fond of each other after the Daddy boot, or at least not to the intensity that it was. One night of enjoyment does not lead to a long term alliance. Even Grand Pear is dipping slowly in the Rarity/Rainbow axis. Instead Pinkie has taken that spot and has rightly earned her stay. Queen is doing her best to supplant those apples too. The double UTR rating for Buried and Flim (and essentially Grand) is killing their chances. They had the opportunity to make a killing to create a long-lasting alliance but they didn't do what Flutter didn't. Rarity/Rainbow (and Rainbow especially) needs constant reassurance and pleasure from the relationship to make an alliance. If not, Rainbow moves on and Rarity's super-paranoia will follow and go onward. Eventually they'll both be killed because they can't stick the landing and stay in a committed relationship.

All of SAA would prefer a long-term thing with Rarity/Rainbow probably, less so Buried, but that's why Buried is on their outside. Buried is rightfully not attaching long-term for them but it is out of convenience. As such, Rarity and Rainbow get the more complex ratings, and the SAA get UTRs and Pinkie/Queen make use of their situation to get MORs because they are reacting to the situation and building as such - but it is not something they've created unilaterally but instead they are just taking advantage of what's being put in their lap.

On the other side, Soarin is actually alliance building as is DJ. But neither are really setting up what should be the best core alliance of the entire game. They need to just go all in with each other, but Coco got to DJ first. If Soarin cuts Coco, DJ is all his, and both will want Granny and Apple to follow their suit. On the other hand, Starlight and Apple help each other out in a way and are both trying to create connections for the long-term. They earned their stay here and if this tribe went to more tribals, they would be the huge dynamic swing votes. Instead, they are ninjas ready to strike and can take advantage of being well liked and that people want to like them. Good for them. Derpy is all revenge mode and is the new Trixie. She's going to avenge her fallen Daddy and that's it. Derpy is not making friends anymore and is at her full potential unfortunately. Derpy is going to need to turn the corner and find something better and drop the past if she wants to live past next tribal. Granny and Coco were sitting on their laurels and aside from Granny enjoying Applejack, I"m not sure either are advancing their game further. In a swap, that could be dangerous. Both rightfully took a break so that they don't become stronger threats than they are, but they will need to kick it up post-swap, so best of luck!

All of the ratings above were more from gamestyle analysis than editing, because frankly, we already know whose confessionals are gold and whose are dying.

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« Reply #31 on: April 20, 2019, 05:58:59 pm »
I can't wait to see how the swap changes the rankings :popcorn:
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Re: My Little Edgic
« Reply #32 on: April 20, 2019, 06:04:57 pm »
Big Daddy leaves with a final rating of MOR. Sunburst picks up UTRN.

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« Reply #33 on: April 23, 2019, 09:17:28 pm »


Ghost of Trixie seen as one-note and keeps coming back, but it's not negative or positive - but it's just a mention that reminds everypony that Trixie made the game what it is.

Thorax tries but was dealt a heavy hand and can't get out. He did his best, but losing the challenge, having an absent Rarity and Queen really killed things. Plus Pinkie wasn't having anything infiltrate her new alliance. Pinkie had to spend some social capital to get the result she wanted. This is why she's CP. Queen and Rarity just went along because they didn't feel that it was worth the struggle to try to do anything different, even if they displayed the desire to do so. This is why gamestyle analysis can be helpful. Pinkie spent the time to create an alliance and move toward a goal (CP) rather than trying to work with an uneven hand (MOR). This is also in comparison against those just going with the Status Quo (UTR) or are not even trying in the game (INV). Those that overdo everything and over step their bounds and spend more capital than has been earned (OTT) are also at big risk to go quicker than later. By analyzing the patterns, one can see why DJ's and Coco's plan to go UTR is important. They realize that they can't be on the top and making all the decisions every round. Instead they want to try to be close to the action and be apart of the majority without having to be seen the head of everything. Since last swap, I've been trying to use the ratings to highlight this. First tribes I kinda went with typical edgic editing ratings.

This is important because Pinkie is rightfully spending the right capital here. Pinkie puts her foot down and gets her way but she's earned this. But if Pinkie doesn't do anything next round to balance out her spending/earning, she's going to lose the game and Queen/Rarity could turn on her - moreso Rarity than Queen. Queen is doing well to save up and just be on the right side of the vote, and is earning allies along the way. Furthermore, Queen could have been a power player, but is also not making the moves of a power player. She's had her stinger removed so she's not lethal, but she's so close to the action every single time that she appears that she's stronger than she is. The moment Queen brings out her fangs and digs it into somepony, she becomes threat #1. Rarity also made her own "cool down". If Rarity put more of her own stamp on this Thorax vote, she becomes known as a strong player who gets rid of every single one of her threats just like Flutter. Instead, she just "follows the crowd" and instead isn't building up threat status. This was a strong play by Rarity. However, Rarity is super paranoid and that's going to isolate from strong allies. nopony has mentioned in confessionals as being the one to allay Rarity's fears. Instead Rarity just goes circular and then eventually gives up and accepts fate - which is fine for now. But in the merge is going to be seen as annoying and too self-serving. This also shows why I think that the Queen-Pinkie pair is the strongest in the tribe and probably the game right now. After all this, Coco had to go with the flow to build the social capital and hope for the best later on.

Flim Flam gets the first Mixed tone - Flim Flam gets the "annoying" SPV but also has gotten the "but I can tolerate this" SPV to the "I kinda like Flim" SPV. However, Flim is still overplaying and doing more to the schtick than to the strategy. Derpy and Starlight go with the status quo here. They're resting on laurels and this is where their narrative aims downward instead of plateauing or rising. They fail to do more with Soarin here and reassuring DJ. Starlight has a better chance of doing some damage compared to Derpy. Soarin is identifying a plan and is trying to get it done. Soarin is also getting good SPV. DJ is starting to plan for the future and pick the final players in his orbit. This is the game-ending narrative and will be something that would be reviewed during final tribal council.

Applejack gets a rare UTRP because people like Applejack but also still want to vote her out and Apple isn't doing anything strategic. It's not against her detriment (which would be INV) but it's also not to her advantage. Grand-Buried-Rainbow are just riding out their alliance even though Buried could be a blindside at some point. Granny is also just holding pat but could be doing more to solidify more connections.

This phase could quickly flip in a different direction.

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« Reply #34 on: April 25, 2019, 09:37:54 pm »


Things happened. Then I drink tonight. So infer the ratings on your own this round.

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« Reply #35 on: April 26, 2019, 04:03:46 am »
Thorax MOR
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« Reply #36 on: April 27, 2019, 10:48:37 pm »



I appreciate the players eliminating in alphabetical order to help me not have to reorder.

Derpy is the player that is trying to meddle the most in other tribe's votes. Derpy is losing the focus here. In a way, Derpy is both playing too hard and too slow. Derpy hasn't adjusted to the flow of the game with that last phase. Derpy was starting to be out of the loop and was saved by the swap and never having to go to tribal. Instead of trying to gain new social connections, Derpy solidified what she already had, which would be great in a normal situation if she was part of an impending majority alliance. However, that's not the case. Derpy took stock in what she had and assumed incorrectly. And now Derpy is acting from a place of power when she shouldn't. Derpy seemed to change after Daddy died and things haven't been the same since. Derpy could be the new Trixie and play chaos, and if Derpy somehow manages to last more than 2 tribals, this could be very interesting.

Starlight tried to throw the challenge, and that would have been fun. Again, Starlight is playing similarly to Derpy. Starlight is believing that there will be an anti-Apple alliance. Starlight, however, manages to get on people's good sides just by being pretty cool. Starlight needs to really just be open minded at the merge and utilize the relationships created during last phase into this merge. If anypony's going to make this game go in a different pathway than where it seems to be headed, it's likely going to be because of Starlight.

Flim Flam has benefitted most the most from this swap, from certain doom to building more allies. Flim Flam however is just being Flim Flam. I think everytime Flim Flam gains allies, half of it is Flim Flam knows how to manage information dissemination really well, half of it is Flim Flam is capitalizing on not being shady like Starlight/Derpy or Queen/Flutter. In other words, Flim is the anti-Trixie. Flim Flam can now be a true swing vote with Buried gone as well. Flim has the opportunity to make magic in the first tribal of the merge, and I cannot wait to see what happens next. If Flim goes all in witih Soarin/DJ, this is a huge swing vote alliance. If Flim rejoins with Pear, then Flim becomes more of a number for a larger alliance and will hide in the shadows.

Coco earned immunity and went from next vote out to playing a precarious precipice of doom. Coco now has a fake alliance and I wonder if Coco is going to reach out to DJ/Soarin or if Coco is going to try to rebuild with past Apples and see how things go. If Coco burns the bridge with Pinkie/Queen/Rarity, this could be interesting then Coco could be the lighting rod and Coco's going to need to play in a different way than Coco has intended. Coco wanted to UTR until later, but Coco might now have to be in the limelight and I don't know what will happen then.

DJ/Soarin naturally came together and it's friendship, it's magic, it's beautiful. They're peaking at the right time, people are going to want to connect with them. Their styles are well suited for this merge, and they're in the right position. The best part for the duo is that while it was not intentional, it seems that Soarin took more of the initiative to set things up instead of DJ. Soarin was in the better position to do so just because of the losses he's experienced. Too much from DJ and then DJ becomes seen as a power player and becomes somepony to take out. Instead Starlight/Derpy don't know of the underground alliance made.

Granny wasn't really in danger. Buried somehow became a threat because of the double vote and that was a remnant from last vote. Buried being the vote was the wrong move. Granny's more of a social threat and continues to have connections that she will barter in the future. I do not think Rainbow will benefit from this move. I do think it benefits Pear though. Pear is in amazing position because Pear has strong connections and has done very little to throw anypony under the bus. Rainbow, instead, has done this thoroughly. Rainbow is in a bad position at merge here because everypony thinks Flutter was sacrificed by Rainbow, instead of Rarity. Additionally, Rainbow has been seen more of a ringleader. Good for now though, just because Rainbow is probably going to be in the majority just because of the allies still alive. Rainbow is seen as a decision maker, and also has an idol clue. Rainbow will be the huge merge target, but because of having enough allies will survive until everypony realizes that Rainbow has too big of a resume and needs to be taken out before jury. Rainbow needs to learn to take a back seat and let Rarity go paranoid in the merge and make the moves that are necessary. If Rainbow isn't UTR in merge episode, it's going to be a huge climb to the finals.

Queen/Pinkie are very easily a strong pair. Both are connected to Rarity/Rainbow, but I don't think that they're going to connect as much at merge because Rarity and Rainbow are too well connected. If Queen and Pinkie start to realize that, they could make some damage. Queen has done well to really slow down the play and remove herself from Trixie and the Carousels. Unfortunately, she hasn't met enough people to convince them that that she's really separated from them. Right now her position there will be lower because she hasn't had the time to undo Trixie's damage. However, in the merge, I think she could easily move in the right direction...however...Pinkie has done little to really help this out. Pinkie telling Coco that she's in the outs was premature. Pinkie is playing some game, and unfortunately, we don't know the full extent. Pinkie is not in a good position because of that statement. Pinkie, if she can stand out in the merge with Rarity or Rainbow, could get back into good graces. However, if Pinkie is a bit slow and absent, I don't think Pinkie can recover. Pinkie's unfortunate weakness in the game is her not being around at key moments, her strength is her personality and her honesty. I'm glad to see that the redemption winner made the merge too without being at risk of being voted. What's interesting here is that by not having to use the redemption idol, Applejack's cutie map will continue to confuse people, even though it could easily be surmised that Pinkie has it. However, the cutie map didn't mention the limitations of idols. Starlight's is limited to 2 tribals, Pinkie's is gone, and Rainbow never got it. So idols become a spectre of a threat that isn't there. Items in this game are threatening more by their potential than their actual use.

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Re: My Little Edgic
« Reply #37 on: April 29, 2019, 10:17:15 pm »



I made ratings at the challenge, and then that went all out the window overnight. Also, please remember that I'm using play style analysis mostly instead of confessional depth rankings.

Ghost of Trixie made a strong showing tonight. Definitely made the biggest rise in the rankings. Ghost of Trixie was compared to Pinkie in a good way. Just on the brink of OTTP. Also, it's OTT because it caused players to overplay.

Coco and DJ take the backseat to everypony and quietly build their empire while all the peons fight over who gets to be the one to die first. While their resumes are minor at this point, they're so well positioned in this game and know it. Well, moreso Coco. Coco also got the idol. DJ thinks he's playing this horrible game, but we the specs know he's been doing so well staying above the fray and maintaining connections and now it shows. DJ keeps making strong friendships, but also, it means that others know that he's keeping options open but also isn't a threat. Looking back it, I think DJ should be MORP. If DJ was the one guiding the ship and creating the alliance, he'd get the CPP. Instead, he's still biding time until the grand alliance is created. Coco is doing the same. Granny's doing the same thing as Coco and DJ except Granny has different connections and is known for being more of a threat too. Interesting that all these MOR ratings are the ones doing the best.

Grand Pear still has great connections that are being used to full potential. Grand Pear, however, is connected to Rainbow/Rarity which are a dying pair. Grand Pear can easily survive if they're taken out though. Grand Pear quietly can rebuild relationships and go far. He's going to be forced to pick soon though, and that might be his undoing. He's been able to stay above the fray, but if Soarin can get Rarity on the radar, Grand Pear needs to deftly handle that vote to manage everything.

Soarin was the key in this merge. Soarin wanted to learn about that Flutter vote and did the right investigation, however, he was a little bit too forthcoming in it. He closed a connection that he could've used. He's not against it, but he's also not kept the illusion of it. Soarin along with Flim Flam really started to build an alliance with DJ and started to add in the additional players. Soarin was also quite the instigator this time around. Soarin is thinking about the end and kinda needs to be more aggressive because otherwise he'll be left out because he doesn't know people as well as others. At least Soarin is making a good impression. Flim Flam dying could be the best and worst thing for Soarin though. Soarin needs to play it chill next round while still maintaining a presence. Playing too hard next round will cause Soarin to become a threat. Playing it too cool next round will cause Soarin to be even more distant to players who already have stronger bonds with other players. Soarin could easily transform Flim's relationships into new allies just by being himself. If he does this, he could launch himself into the finals.

Rainbow/Rarity played a key moment too slowly. This was more due to being offline than being intentionally off. Rarity was super paranoid and cold, and Soarin is going to take advantage of this. Rarity was supposed to be less of a threat than Rainbow, but because of Rarity's actions, Soarin is going to pull off Rarity first to weaken Rainbow. Also, this might be the right move for Soarin. Rarity also got tied into the Pinkie/Rarity narrative by Flim, which is very bad SPV. Rainbow was too controlling this round and this could've been sure disaster. However, Pinkie forced everything else into the open, which let Rainbow take a bit more backseat to the action. Rainbow's connections are weakening and others are taking full advantage in this merge of being more social than Rainbow is. Rainbow needs to make a better impression stat or else he's a quick goner. Also Rainbow needed to have killed Granny, and Rarity needed to have killed Coco. Having both around still makes this a much more uphill battle for this pair. Letting Pinkie and Queen go off into the sunset to die alone could be real bad for them. They abandoned that alliance and having too many connections may mean that others band to get them out first. And Queen and/or Pinkie be vocal about this could be very very bad. Both could rebound strongly from this vote because of their frank honesty.

Derpy benefitted from this all. Derpy was a sure vote this time around. But Flim had other plans and now Derpy, even having been in the minority, can rebound quickly. Derpy isn't strongly with Queen/Starlight/Pinkie as I think. Derpy also is strangely re-endearing herself to Granny and DJ, which means very good things. Derpy didn't do anything differently either. So being terribly honest and vulnerable has caused Derpy gain trust points? But also by being chaotic? But by being openly chaotic? But I think it proved that Derpy feels alone and will do anything to not feel alone. DJ and Granny, if smart, will do something about this.

Pinkie/Queen were dead in the water. They still are...unless they bus Rarity and Rainbow very quickly. Queen is worse off because Coco sniffed out her true colors and Queen didn't let Pinkie die. Pinkie can still pawn all of the blame on Starlight and timezones. Pinkie's honesty could do her favors here if she can get to the key people, stay active, and convince them that it never was her. If Pinkie had 25% more activity, I think most of the issues and concerns would not be as much of an issue. I think that shows how great Pinkie makes such a strong good impression on people in such a short time. Pinkie needs to take a breath and go back to how she was in Castle of Friendship. That viewpoint was what earned her allies. Being that open with people will get her allies again. And if DJ/Coco/Granny want to kill Rarity or Rainbow next, they would need Queen/Pinkie to do it. I don't think Queen/Pinkie could finagle a way to the finals, though at this point. Maybe Pinkie?

Starlight played too much this round. Starlight gets along well with people. Starlight didn't need Pinkie/Queen as a number. Starlight was in a good position to infiltrate alliances and just be cute and be a number. However, Starlight played the instigator and got caught. I don't think Starlight did anything intentional either, but I believe Starlight misinterpreted something said at some point, spread it around, and then all this started. Starlight is sticking too strongly to Carousel and would've been welcomed with open arms by some players. Starlight trying to become a strong twosome with Flim Flam due to connection with Buried - that would've been a killer duo. Both play similarly but Starlight's not playing well on her back heels and is too defensive. If Starlight makes a sharp 180, I'll be impressed. Starlight has it within her too. She just needs to find an alliance and be the seventh wheel in it. It's not a good position to be in to be at the bottom of a totem pole, but I think Starlight has the chops to build higher and higher and swinging back and forth to another alliance to rise up the ranks.

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Re: My Little Edgic
« Reply #38 on: April 30, 2019, 09:43:17 am »
Can we just take a moment to appreciate that 7 out of 12 players had either OTT, N, or both?

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« Reply #39 on: April 30, 2019, 10:35:12 am »
Can we just take a moment to appreciate that 7 out of 12 players had either OTT, N, or both?

Bottom 7 of 12 for me as well. What a coincidence.

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Re: My Little Edgic
« Reply #40 on: May 01, 2019, 09:24:09 pm »



Trixie is getting more of the P SPV because Pinkie, lol. I felt like there should've been more OTT, but it really was only Derpy, Soarin, and Pinkie overplaying. Coco was on the verge of getting that rating too by over-revealing the idol, but at the same time, solidifying that foursome alliance was just confirming something that we've known was going to happen all this time. It was very clear those four gravitated toward each other and were keeping each other safe and voting with each other, it's just that Granny is now invited into it. Soarin/DJ/Coco were clearly using their group chat very strongly together. Soarin made a huge mistake by targeting Rarity, and by the luck of Pinkie, Soarin didn't get voted out here. Soarin could still go soon though. However, Derpy in all of her amazing OTTness, actually is making the smart moves. It's just without buildup and without foundational work. Derpy is like Cassandra the doomed prophet of Troy. She knows exactly what needs to happen, but because of her curse, nopony wants to believe her. nopony wants to weaponize her yet, but smart players are recognizing her potential and that she's not too strongly attached to past people and is just really a chaos player for the sake of being a chaos player. Derpy is everything I wanted Trixie to be. Derpy is going to be dragged to F3 and it's going to be amazing. Soarin needs to do this, because he needs somepony strong to take the heat during FTC. Good news is that Soarin is very close to Derpy. Derpy is being the best Derpy yet, and I cannot wait to see what Derpy is capable of.

Also Pinkie <3. But that was the move of the game. From having the prize in the hand to letting it sleep between her fingers.

Grand Pear finally gets something other than UTR1. Wins immunity, gets threatened, and appropriately spreads what Pinkie did. This is very reaction-oriented. Grand Pear didn't choose this vote and still is just banking on past relationships. Grand Pear didn't even get a good alliance out of this move.  However, Grand Pear is still in strong enough with past Apples to get by. Grand Pear needs to make a move next round before the foursome runs away with everything.

DJ and Granny were saved by Pinkie. They're great. They did not much wrong except like Soarin'...and they need to also capitalize on Rainbow as a safety policy from now on. Rainbow is branching off from Rarity and it's the right move. Rainbow is bouncing up the ladder real well. Rainbow is making lots of moves though. I just hope that Rainbow has good endurance to make it down the end of the road. It can't be relaxing to be the swing vote every single time.

Queen is staying above the fray by staying away, but isn't gaining much ground, but also isn't losing horrible ground when she should. If Pinkie didn't just get up and die though, Queen could've been the target. Queen isn't aware that people think she's sketchy. Queen also isn't aware that she's sketchy. She's overvaluing her tribal presence. I think with Pinkie dying, she's either going to rise like a phoenix or sugar, she's going down swinging. People want her gone, and unless she does something this round, she's gone. Derpy is aiming to be the survivor of the Goat 4, so Queen is just going to be a quick future vote unless she proves her worth.

Starlight is getting to be known as a shit-stirrer. She's also lost a lot of goodwill from DJ and Derpy, so Starlight needs to buck up and infiltrate relationships with Granny again.

Rarity keeps losing ground. I feel bad for Rarity and what she's going through in real life. She seems very down this round and coming to this game can't be fun. That being said, she has enough connections to be able to just coast for a bit. Rarity could've been the target this round, but past connections prevented that. Rarity really needs to solidify things though because being a swing vote is helpful, but she's also losing Pear, she's losing Rainbow, and all she's gaining really is Queen/Starlight? She needs to remind Rainbow why they're a strong duo.

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Re: My Little Edgic
« Reply #41 on: May 02, 2019, 04:33:59 am »
We stan Derpy

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« Reply #42 on: May 04, 2019, 12:21:29 pm »
Derpy is keeping this game from going in any predictable fashion. So glad I picked Derpy in the draft.

I'll just give an update after next TC. The only notable thing in this tribal is Soarin goin OTTN. Soarin isn't the typical OTTN. But Soarin is overplaying at the moment and doing things that don't need to be done. Also people are starting to feel Soarin is not the best anymore. I don't think this necessarily dooms his chances, but he's doing more paranoia than Rarity at this time - but for good reason. Soarin should try to get Rarity on the defensive and watch that fall into pieces.

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« Reply #43 on: May 04, 2019, 05:26:41 pm »
Ms. Harshwhinny will be overjoyed to note we left the submission of Trixie in the challenge.

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« Reply #44 on: May 04, 2019, 05:35:50 pm »
Don't worry, she's already slotted for CPP5 this round.

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« Reply #45 on: May 05, 2019, 09:34:44 pm »



Interesting. First merge boot that wasn't overplaying and wasn't just sitting down to die either. Also, everypony loves Trixie :)

I really thought Derpy was going to be the survivor of all the carnage and will become the power swing vote that gets picked up once the game starts going. Instead, Rarity gets her way and shifts power toward Rarity/Rainbow plus Apples. Queen benefits from this all. She's not going to be targetted yet and everypony's going to want to pick her up as a goat and swing vote. If Queen starts to pick up just a half-notch, she'll solidify herself as a number to people, but she's going to need to not become a threat at the same time. She needs to make one move around F5 to earn the win, but doesn't need to do much more. She'll be seen as a goat, but could easily pick up a lot of jury votes just because she's the underdog.

Soarin/DJ are in trouble and they're realizing it. Coco/Granny may have stayed with them, except Coco and Granny know they can't stick together and need to start killing each other. It's almost as if they're victims to Coco and Granny naturally separating...except neither DJ/Soarin have managed to be seen as the right partner to either Coco/Granny, and that is their downfall.

Rarity is separating from Rainbow by living with Coco, and this is huge. Rarity also has not become too paranoid yet. Rarity continues to be a target, but still hasn't been targetted. Rarity is building the resume here and just needs to maintain status quo and will probably get through. Soarin and DJ don't have enough ammo to get Rarity out anymore, so this fares well for Rarity.

Rainbow made the right moves here and is trying to protect the right people, except Rainbow had to backtrack and this could fare very very badly. Rainbow needs to do the right type of damage control here or else their stock will begin to plummet. Either way, Rainbow is using the right style of thinking and needs to keep going at it. But trusting Rarity too much could be the wrong move. Rainbow needs a new secret F2 partner right now.

Coco/Granny are beginning to think about their long term plans, and it looks like Soarin/DJ are not there. This isn't horrible for their chances...except they need to get rid of Chrysalis first because otherwise Rainbow/Rarity would have too much power later on. Additionally, they probably think Pear is in their pocket, when really he's in the Dash/Rarity trio. Pear is starting to become a huge power player because nopony knows where his true allegiance lies...and Soarin could use this as a huge weapon against Rainbow. If Soarin reveals that Rainbow almost went against Pear, then it buys Soarin one TC and it solidifies the Rarity/Pear/Coco/Granny foursome from WTA.

DJ needs to change this game up away from this possibility, or otherwise those four are going to hold the power until they cannibalize later.

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« Reply #46 on: May 13, 2019, 09:27:57 pm »



lol, I don't get Coco. This whole game revolves around her. That's why she consistently gets CPs. Because she drives the boat and what she wants happens and everypony knows this but nopony is doing anything about it because they think they can beat her? But they don't. I thought she wanted Chrysalis/Rarity in her F3, but then this changed so that's why I had Queen so highly ranked after Rainbow left. But then Coco started getting scared of Queen because she sounds like a skilled player. That's fine. Coco also was developed a plan for how to live without Rainbow. It seemed like Soarin was dead in the water, but then Rainbow was found out. I think these two past rounds it's all about failing to capitalize on making those big moves and good players treading water when they should be attacking Coco.

Anyway, Rainbow should have not gone back to Rarity and listened to that. When you approach somepony else for a cool plan, you have to follow through or else word gets around and then you fail. Rainbow should've went all-in with DJ/Soarin/Derpy. It may still have been a foolish plan, but there was no way Rainbow could've gotten out of the hole after that.

Queen was a victim of Granny. Queen could've done better by being more upfront. Queen didn't seem to have the best grasp on other relationships in the game, and that was her downfall. Her stock was rising strongly after Rainbow left, especially if she had started to become Rarity's new #1, but that's not what happened. Queen could've done so much more.

DJ/Soarin keep fighting uphill and somehow they keep doing alright? They're just reacting to everything around and trying their best. Soarin kinda just went with the flow more this time around, and I think that was better for him. DJ is starting to become threat level and they're starting to give Neg SPV. Either way, I think both are doing fine and can probably survive next vote.

Rarity did pretty well with using the ring to avoid responsibility for the vote, and Rarity is doing well to build this Coco relationship. Rarity is in great position to get to the end, but Rarity is probably overestimating her ability to beat Coco in the end.

This game strategically is a big last minute wtf. It works out, and there's a lot of great live TCs but by managing the environment and not letting the votes go early, it continues to benefit the most magnetic voice, like Coco. Makes me miss Derpy's and Trixie's last minute antics.

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« Reply #47 on: May 21, 2019, 08:12:49 pm »




I think once Dash left, the rest of the game was pretty much set in stone. Coco wanted Rarity and Pear, and that's what came to be. Soarin overplayed and didn't assemble the right group, despite knowing and having it, but didn't have the right deftness to pull it off. Strangely, I think we ought to give credit to Pear and Rarity for continuing to keep Granny from straying and joining the anti-Coco squad too early. Then again, Granny played a great game and basically had to go to firemaking to win - but that was a worthwhile calculated risk. Not sure Granny would've been better off splintering off with Soarin and/or DJ that early.

That's my last post here. Ghost of Trixie winner edit.