Congrats Carmine, well done!

Also nicely played Crystal, came down to one vote.  I do think you had a case to take it, so good job on your part as well

It was a pleasure to watch!

Imo no one has won until the votes are read.

Crystal’s closing speech made me laugh lol. I think its pretty good hah.

I thought it was good too. I like how she kept it short and hit the most important points. Those really are the three main reasons why she should maybe win.

Quote from: Bill "The Butcher" Cutting on December 04, 2020, 05:40:55 am

Crystal, since you ran out of time to finish your opening speech this thread seems like the appropriate place expand where you'd like to and to conclude it.

Ok, right. I was deliberating what final things I should put in the end there. I was thinking about saying something about how my straightforwardness could be an asset in getting people to trust me, but I think the influence of that may have been muted by my social failures in the later game.

Asked directly by Bill to complete the speech that fizzled out when it got to Bill, and she just vaguely gestures at what she would've written and doesn't mention Bill at all. 

Reading the FTC so far, Carmine is leaps and bounds better... even though Bobfather asked him to detail all the things they did together so people would know and then contradicted most of it afterward.

Welp Crystal's half speech I think still shows more game awareness than Carmine's non speech. Buuuuuut we shall see.

lmao that "sorry, I'm running out of time" was in the officially posted speech.  Legend

I gotta say I like it a lot more than the 10,000 word style post, but liking it more is a far cry from actually being persuaded.  That's especially true when some players may think he's got goat qualities.  Now he'll have to do all his convincing further on down the line, so he's starting behind most likely. 

It's easier to get away with a short closing speech I think.

Also I enjoy being right that Bill in hindsight should have tied the vote for Bobfather. Obviously it was impossible for him to know that at the time though, and I probably would have done the same thing in his place. But when you don't build a path for yourself that doesn't rely on challenges, this can sometimes happen.

Even with hindsight I don't see how this makes sense?  He's pretty clearly going out in third either way

Also there's no guarantee that Bobfather would have beaten Viola on the last challenge anyway. Bobfather's score didn't seem that high, but maybe Bill was just insanely good at whatever it was.

I want to know if Bill actually did anything t send home Viola over himself though. I don't have a clear sense of how that vote happened, and if he does win, that's the most significant moment of the game probably. If he just kind of got through by happenstance, it knocks him down a bit as a winner in my mind probably. But maybe we can get an exploration of it if he makes it to FTC

It's weird because he was simultaneously trying to vote Crystal out, but apparently Crystal wanted the vote on Viola because she still felt a bond with Bill. I know they did and do have a good relationship although I'm not sure how that happened in a round when Bill was trying to kill her. Anyway the other two went along with Crystal initially and then tried to pivot (27 seconds too late)