DragonEater70's Mini Normal Review, July 2023 (Released)
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DragonEater70 He/HimJack of All TradesHe/Him
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Okay so the initial idea I had was a mason cop and/or mason vig, obviously this is extremely strong so I changed it to a neighbors. Then I added the gimmick of there being multiple investigative roles, but none of which who could break the game (I originally also had a detective and an SK but I was told SK is not normal).
What I don't understand is how could you say the neighborhood is OP and also say the game is scumsided?
But anyway would this be more balanced?
3 scum (all multitasking):
1 mafia tracker
1 mafia rolestopper
1 mafia doctor neighbor
10 town:
1 1-shot novice cop neighbor
1 even-night vigilante neighbor
1 gunsmith neighbor
1 detective
6 vanilla townies
2 neighborhoods: cop/vig, mafia doc/gunsmith-
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Okay I like this setup a lot. Can I use it?-
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I think I will have the rest done in the next 12 hours-
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Since I have no idea what I am doing (this is first time modding after all), this is probably extremely inconsistent, so feel free to point out anything problematic.
Can I just rip off the rules from someone else?-
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Rules
Taken from Plotinus, who was inspired by Equinox's, Glork's and Ether's rulesets. And then there is a tiny bit from Thestatusquo just for good measure :p
- Follow all site rules.
- – My mod colour isMod colour. Don't use it.Orange
- - Don’t be a dick. This is a heated game but toxicity will not be tolerated. Attack the play not the player. If your fellow players tell you to stop, you must stop. If you do not stop, I will tell you to stop. If you still do not stop, you will be force-replaced. Asking people to stop voting you or to stop scumhunting you entirely doesn't count for this rule and you may find yourself eliminated if you try it.Behaviour
- - You may not talk to each other about this game outside of threads I have created for this purpose. You may not talk about other ongoing games in this thread.Don't talk about ongoing games
- - are of the devil, but they are permitted behind spoilers if clearly labelled as such.Animated GIFs
- - is also of the devil, keep it 70+ please.Tiny text
- - is against the rules. Saying that you rolled a dice is fine, using dice tags or random.org is not.Provable randomness
- - by yourself is fine. Claiming scum with another player is against the rules.Claiming scum
- - is forbidden. Breadcrumbing is okay.Cryptography
- - You have about 72 hours to confirm your role and your alignment by PM. Game will start sooner if everyone confirms. Posting in a private topic counts as confirmation.Confirmation
- - Day 1 lasts 10 days and other days last 7 days. Extensions may be granted if there are replacements, or if the majority of players make it clear to me that an extension is desired.Days
- - You must post at least once every 36 hours or I will Prod you. You then have 24 hours to post in the game thread or I will replace you. If you come back before I find a replacement, you can stay. The activity timers run at half-speed on weekends. Players can request me to prod somebody early. This will only count as an official prod if you don't post before you would have been due for a prod. If you haven't posted in the 24 hours before the thread is locked for night, you must reply to the night start PM or you will be replaced during the night.Activity
- If you need to be absent for longer than this, you should declareVacation/Limited AccessV/LAin bold in the thread like this: [b]/b]. While you are V/LA, you will be nudged once every 54 hours. Two nudges equals one prod. If you have not posted game advancing content in 5 days, regardless of V/LA status, you will be replaced.@Mod: I will be v/la until Thursday[
- - A naked "prod dodge" does not reset the prod timer. To avoid being prodded/replaced for inactivity, include some game advancing content in your prodges, such as "got prodded; xxxx is still scum."Prodging
- - You may not quote (or copy paste) any private information into the thread, including your role PM and any mod communication.Quoting
- - Votes must be in bold in the format VOTE: Plotinus orVotingVote: Plotinus. Strong preference for using vote tags instead of bold tags. Unvotes are nice but not required. If I think it’s a vote, it’s a vote, no tricks. Type [v]Plotinus[/v] to vote and [uv]Plotinus[/uv] to unvote.
- - Days end early when a simple majority of players (50% of living players + 1 rounded down) vote to eliminate somebody. If a majority is not reached at deadline or if a majority of the players vote for no elimination, the day will end without an elimination. At evens, 50% is sufficient for no elimination.Elimination
- - Begins when a majority is reached and lasts until I lock the thread. You're still alive until I flip you so you can talk in any game threads you have access to until then, but no votes or unvotes will be counted.Twilight
- - Night lasts at least 48 hours. The night phase can be shortened if every living player -- even those with no night actions -- agrees to it and if I'm not busy.Night
- - You may submit actions via PM (if town) or PT (if scum). If the actions are not submitted by the deadline then you do nothing. You can change your mind as many times as you like before the deadline.Action submissions
- - If I don't hear from you about your night actions, I'll PM you 24 hours before the deadline. This doesn't count as a prod. If I still don't hear from you, you will take no action.Reminders
- - this particular game, not some future one, and keep it fun!Play to win
- - This is not an option. Games are only good when players are having fun. If you are not having fun, replace out. There is no shame in this. I have no problem with it. You are not a bad person. Both you and the game will be happier for it.Have fun
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In post 20, DragonEater70 wrote:Rules
Taken from Plotinus, who was inspired by Equinox's, Glork's and Ether's rulesets. And then there is a tiny bit from Thestatusquo just for good measure :p
- Follow all site rules.
- – My mod colour isMod colour. Don't use it.Orange
- - Don’t be a dick. This is a heated game but toxicity will not be tolerated. Attack the play not the player. If your fellow players tell you to stop, you must stop. If you do not stop, I will tell you to stop. If you still do not stop, you will be force-replaced. Asking people to stop voting you or to stop scumhunting you entirely doesn't count for this rule and you may find yourself eliminated if you try it.Behaviour
- - You may not talk to each other about this game outside of threads I have created for this purpose. You may not talk about other ongoing games in this thread.Don't talk about ongoing games
- - are of the devil, but they are permitted behind spoilers if clearly labelled as such.Animated GIFs
- - is also of the devil, keep it 70+ please.Tiny text
- - is against the rules. Saying that you rolled a dice is fine, using dice tags or random.org is not.Provable randomness
- - by yourself is fine. Claiming scum with another player is against the rules.Claiming scum
- - is forbidden. Breadcrumbing is okay.Cryptography
- - You have about 72 hours to confirm your role and your alignment by PM. Game will start sooner if everyone confirms. Posting in a private topic counts as confirmation.Confirmation
- - Day 1 lasts 10 days and other days last 7 days. Extensions may be granted if there are replacements, or if the majority of players make it clear to me that an extension is desired.Days
- - You must post at least once every 36 hours or I will Prod you. You then have 24 hours to post in the game thread or I will replace you. If you come back before I find a replacement, you can stay. The activity timers run at half-speed on weekends. Players can request me to prod somebody early. This will only count as an official prod if you don't post before you would have been due for a prod. If you haven't posted in the 24 hours before the thread is locked for night, you must reply to the night start PM or you will be replaced during the night.Activity
- If you need to be absent for longer than this, you should declareVacation/Limited AccessV/LAin bold in the thread like this: [b]/b]. While you are V/LA, you will be nudged once every 54 hours. Two nudges equals one prod. If you have not posted game advancing content in 5 days, regardless of V/LA status, you will be replaced.@Mod: I will be v/la until Thursday[
- - A naked "prod dodge" does not reset the prod timer. To avoid being prodded/replaced for inactivity, include some game advancing content in your prodges, such as "got prodded; xxxx is still scum."Prodging
- - You may not quote (or copy paste) any private information into the thread, including your role PM and any mod communication.Quoting
- - Votes must be in bold in the format VOTE: Plotinus orVotingVote: Plotinus. Strong preference for using vote tags instead of bold tags. Unvotes are nice but not required. If I think it’s a vote, it’s a vote, no tricks. Type [v]Plotinus[/v] to vote and [uv]Plotinus[/uv] to unvote.
- - Days end early when a simple majority of players (50% of living players + 1 rounded down) vote to eliminate somebody. If a majority is not reached at deadline or if a majority of the players vote for no elimination, the day will end without an elimination. At evens, 50% is sufficient for no elimination.Elimination
- - Begins when a majority is reached and lasts until I lock the thread. You're still alive until I flip you so you can talk in any game threads you have access to until then, but no votes or unvotes will be counted.Twilight
- - Night lasts at least 48 hours. The night phase can be shortened if every living player -- even those with no night actions -- agrees to it and if I'm not busy.Night
- - You may submit actions via PM (if town) or PT (if scum). If the actions are not submitted by the deadline then you do nothing. You can change your mind as many times as you like before the deadline.Action submissions
- - If I don't hear from you about your night actions, I'll PM you 24 hours before the deadline. This doesn't count as a prod. If I still don't hear from you, you will take no action.Reminders
- - this particular game, not some future one, and keep it fun!Play to win
- - This is not an option. Games are only good when players are having fun. If you are not having fun, replace out. There is no shame in this. I have no problem with it. You are not a bad person. Both you and the game will be happier for it.Have fun
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I think I did do all the PMs?In post 22, DkKoba wrote: make sure to point out daytalk being always available(probably should be standardized into normal ruleset if it isn't atp huh) + the fact mafia have multitasking inherently
otherwise role PMs at a glance look good, will do a more thorough look when they're all done.-
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I deleted this post to avoid confusing myself. It used to include PMs.Last edited by DragonEater70 on Sat Jul 29, 2023 6:43 pm, edited 2 times in total.-
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I am sincerely confused because I think I did everything you asked for already, but I'll just post the final version of everything in a very neat post maybe this evening.
Btw, does the standard rolestopper block kills? Because the wiki is kinda confusing about this.-
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Rules:
Rules
Taken from Plotinus, who was inspired by Equinox's, Glork's and Ether's rulesets. And then there is a tiny bit from Thestatusquo just for good measure :p
- Follow all site rules.
- – My mod colour isMod colour. Don't use it.Orange
- - Don’t be a dick. This is a heated game but toxicity will not be tolerated. Attack the play not the player. If your fellow players tell you to stop, you must stop. If you do not stop, I will tell you to stop. If you still do not stop, you will be force-replaced. Asking people to stop voting you or to stop scumhunting you entirely doesn't count for this rule and you may find yourself eliminated if you try it.Behaviour
- - You may not talk to each other about this game outside of threads I have created for this purpose. You may not talk about other ongoing games in this thread.Don't talk about ongoing games
- - are of the devil, but they are permitted behind spoilers if clearly labelled as such.Animated GIFs
- - is also of the devil, keep it 70+ please.Tiny text
- - is against the rules. Saying that you rolled a dice is fine, using dice tags or random.org is not.Provable randomness
- - by yourself is fine. Claiming scum with another player is against the rules.Claiming scum
- - is forbidden. Breadcrumbing is okay.Cryptography
- - You have about 72 hours to confirm your role and your alignment by PM. Game will start sooner if everyone confirms. Posting in a private topic counts as confirmation.Confirmation
- - Day 1 lasts 10 days and other days last 7 days. Extensions may be granted if there are replacements, or if the majority of players make it clear to me that an extension is desired.Days
- - You must post at least once every 36 hours or I will Prod you. You then have 24 hours to post in the game thread or I will replace you. If you come back before I find a replacement, you can stay. The activity timers run at half-speed on weekends. Players can request me to prod somebody early. This will only count as an official prod if you don't post before you would have been due for a prod. If you haven't posted in the 24 hours before the thread is locked for night, you must reply to the night start PM or you will be replaced during the night.Activity
- If you need to be absent for longer than this, you should declareVacation/Limited AccessV/LAin bold in the thread like this: [b]/b]. While you are V/LA, you will be nudged once every 54 hours. Two nudges equals one prod. If you have not posted game advancing content in 5 days, regardless of V/LA status, you will be replaced.@Mod: I will be v/la until Thursday[
- - A naked "prod dodge" does not reset the prod timer. To avoid being prodded/replaced for inactivity, include some game advancing content in your prodges, such as "got prodded; xxxx is still scum."Prodging
- - You may not quote (or copy paste) any private information into the thread, including your role PM and any mod communication.Quoting
- - Votes must be in bold in the format VOTE: Plotinus orVotingVote: Plotinus. Strong preference for using vote tags instead of bold tags. Unvotes are nice but not required. If I think it’s a vote, it’s a vote, no tricks. Type [v]Plotinus[/v] to vote and [uv]Plotinus[/uv] to unvote.
- - Days end early when a simple majority of players (50% of living players + 1 rounded down) vote to eliminate somebody. If a majority is not reached at deadline or if a majority of the players vote for no elimination, the day will end without an elimination. At evens, 50% is sufficient for no elimination.Elimination
- - Begins when a majority is reached and lasts until I lock the thread. You're still alive until I flip you so you can talk in any game threads you have access to until then, but no votes or unvotes will be counted.Twilight
- - Night lasts at least 48 hours. The night phase can be shortened if every living player -- even those with no night actions -- agrees to it and if I'm not busy.Night
- - You may submit actions via PM (if town) or PT (if scum). If the actions are not submitted by the deadline then you do nothing. You can change your mind as many times as you like before the deadline.Action submissions
- - If I don't hear from you about your night actions, I'll PM you 24 hours before the deadline. This doesn't count as a prod. If I still don't hear from you, you will take no action.Reminders
- - this particular game, not some future one, and keep it fun!Play to win
- - This is not an option. Games are only good when players are having fun. If you are not having fun, replace out. There is no shame in this. I have no problem with it. You are not a bad person. Both you and the game will be happier for it.Have fun
Setup (copied from 7):
Mafia:
Mafia Goon
Mafia Odd Night Rolestopper
Mafia Disloyal Doctor
Town:
1-Shot Novice Cop
Even Night Vigilante Neighbor A
Odd Night Gunsmith Neighbor A
Lazy Novice Tracker
2 Shot Complex Jailkeeper
5 Vanilla Town
PMs:
Spoiler: Goon
Spoiler: Disloyal Doc
Spoiler: Rplestopper
Spoiler: VT
Spoiler: Vig
Spoiler: Gunsmith
Spoiler: Cop
Spoiler: Jailkeeper
Spoiler: TrackerLast edited by DragonEater70 on Sat Jul 29, 2023 6:42 pm, edited 2 times in total.-
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I think I have everything, can you please approve?In post 31, DkKoba wrote: the reason for this is that if you do not say this, it is assumed that if mafia wish to use an ability and perform a nightkill, it will be assumed that they must have the multitasking modifier to do that.
and for talking during the day, without that it is assumed that an Encryptor must be present for the ability to speak to be available in private chats(a bit dated but still not changed as of now as far as I know)-
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Okay.
I was actually slightly hysterical about the game being in signups, but whatevs.-
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Uh, Okay.In post 38, mastina wrote: As a secondary reviewer, I can say the role PMs look good, although I'd like to see the result PMs you intend to send for the Cop/Gunsmith/Tracker.
Gunsmith:
"No Result."
"Result: PLAYER has a gun."
"Result: PLAYER does not have a gun."
Cop:
"No Result."
"Result: PLAYER is aligned with the mafia."
"Result: PLAYER is aligned with the town."
Tracker:
"No Result."
"Result: PLAYER visited PLAYER last night."
"Result: PLAYER didn't visit anyone last night."-
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Muchos GraciasIn post 39, DkKoba wrote: /pass-
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btw, I don't have the ability to open a thread in the Private Topics sub-forum, nor in New York. I'm assuming I'll gain this ability once the game fills up?-
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Huh I just realized I actually messed up. The Role PM for the Gunsmith didn't specify it was Odd-Night Gunsmith.-
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@Implosion can I have post-editing powers?-
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In post 45, DragonEater70 wrote: @Implosion can I have post-editing powers?
With a quote so he gets notified.-
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Fixed this.In post 44, DragonEater70 wrote: Huh I just realized I actually messed up. The Role PM for the Gunsmith didn't specify it was Odd-Night Gunsmith.-
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Question: a mafia rolestopper would also stop the factional kill, right?-
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