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I really don't trust EV style calculators that think adding VTs dramatically increases scum odds of winning. i don't think they properly simulate the power of nightkills and night actions broadly.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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Ok let's run a cool thought experiment
Say you have a game that starts at 3 players, 2 town 1 scum.
According to base EV that's 33% town winrate.
Take another that starts 5p. 4 town 1 scum.
According to EV town now has 46% chance of winning.
But. Let's think of this another way, how mafia games are played.
Some people are more or less towny and the least towny people are limmed.
If you start at 3p then the scum wins if they are either the middle or the least scummy, so 33% town winrate again.
But now if you start at 5p, since scum nightkill is hitting someone who isn't getting limmed it's hitting at the top of the town list. So effectively town get to eliminate the two scummiest players and at equal likeliness to be in a position town has 40% chance of winning.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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You'll find that mountainous games in practice that were run off of old style EV were massively scum favored and people just said towns are bad at mountainous. That's not necessarily true it's just that EV doesn't do a good job of capturing how mafia plays. Ugh i don't have my examples ready2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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The tldr is that assuming the interchangeability of players vastly underweights the actual power of the scum nightkill; every person being naked was presumably never getting limmed so the towniest players are chopped off the list and scum don't need to compete with an arbitrary set of players in late game, they need to compete with the least towny ones2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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I gotta say though that I'm not sure if that's the right move.
Psychologist doesn't give innos only guilties and isn't that much power as a result AND has a false guilty condition. The vigs are slightly better than one full vig and the bodyguard is nice but i really do not think this is a setup where town needs to be nerfed2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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Like there's a certain invisible power here to the vig masonry if used properly and i do feel like this leans towards town but i really don't think it's the kind of setup that strictly needs more scum power2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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I actually brought it up like years ago and then Mathdino stole it and posted it as it it was his.
I can read myself saying in the past and modelled around this but have no recollection of where this data is from: scum tend towards the middle moreso than the bottom. In 2018-2019 town were also doing fairly well in general and my 'dice' weighting reflects that but would probably need to be changed for the present, but with the number of new roles it would need a lot of work to be made usable for normal games again.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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Also bro.In post 88, Datisi wrote:and how often do you see 2 vigilantes in the same mini game anyway but oops rc is the designer
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my normal games are way more normal and standardish than the vast majority of stuff that i see people making what's this RC Is ThE dEsIgNeR cApItAl CiTy bullshit2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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