Umlaut's Mini Normal Review, September 2020
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“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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I will confess part of my motivation is "since I suggested this Checker role and ended up getting it whitelisted I should at least use it for something"
I have no problem just giving town more power and I don't mind if that turns the Checker/Ascetic interaction into more of a minor detail than a centerpiece of the setup. It's hard to make any investigative PR really useful while keeping the Mafia Ascetics, though; do you think it's possible to balance purely with non-investigative roles?
Ideas off the top of my head:- Add a pair of masons
- Make the game 13p and add a Vigilante (either full or 2-Shot, probably doesn't make a difference which)
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As secondary reviewer I say that not only is this setup perfect but the creator should receive some sort of monetary award for such a breathtakingly excellent design“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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I'm going to wait for Mastina's input, but if we want to add a town investigative then I might be partial to an Informed Rolecop who knows there are no Mafia Goons (so vanilla results become innos).“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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Want to note here that the Day 4 IC is already better in 13p because the game is guaranteed to reach Day 4 unless town has already won.
I think the most important disadvantage of a traitor is not that the scum might accidentally kill them but that they are endgamed when the other two scum die, so town doesn't actually have to find them at all.“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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Are we waiting for something from me here?
I think Informed Vanilla Cop is just a shade better than Neapolitan simply because it knows more about the setup, but I agree there's something to be said for compactness.
Here's another setup proposal trying to incorporate both your suggestions. The change from Nurse to Neighbors is because I need one more player for 13p but we're wanting to keep it at four Townies.
- 2x Mafia Ascetic
1xMafia Bulletproof Traitor
1xTown Checker
1xTown Loyal Jailkeeper
1xTown Neapolitan
1xTown Day 4 Innocent Child
2xTown Neighbor
4xTownie
tooweak in a 13p (they can lose Day 2 if they are unlucky), but I'll defer to your judgment on that.“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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In anticipation of the setup possibly being approved, here are the new role and result PMs.
Spoiler: Role PMs
Spoiler: Result PMs
Two possible quibbles:- If there is worry about possible confusion regarding the Neapolitan results, I can change "Townie" to "Vanilla Townie" throughout the game even though I believe Townie is an acceptable synonym for Normal games. I'd prefer not to do this because I've been using just "Townie" lately when possible and on the off-chance someone is tracking my mod meta I would rather not tip my hand that there was some reason I had to change it.
- The Town win condition as written arguably implies that the presence of a lone Traitor would prevent the town from winning, which is not the case. If this isn't considered a problem then so be it, but if so then I'm open to alternate wordings.
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I'll go with "(vanilla)" to extra-emphasize that Vanilla is not part of the role name. I can repost the whole modified set of PMs here if you like but I think we agree on how they'll look.Townie
Traitor role PM, take three:
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This game is over, so feel free to make the review thread public.“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs
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