Mini 695 - Futurama Mafia - Over

[Gorrad]

Hmph. It's got benefit to scum, you just have to think about it. The risks aren't worth it in my opinion, but this is Xtoxm.

I dont really see it being a benefit. There will be something that outs him as not being an SK pretty fast if he really isnt, from there he just gets lynched. The risks arent even close to being worth it, and the way he reacted to poro bringing up him being an SK doesnt feel like scum to me.

Fair enough. I can still think of benefits, but pardon me if I deign not to state them, on the chance that he is scum and hasn't thought of the same ones as I.

[farside22]

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Xtoxm 3 vote: (Porochaz, wolframnhart, Dukes)
Porochaz 1 vote: (Xtoxm)
Jahudo 1 vote: (pacman281292)
wolframnhart 1 vote: (LlamaFluff)
kloud1516 1 vote: (Jahudo)

Not voting:

Gorrad
GhostWriter
Zorblag
kloud1516
Drunken Piper

With 12 alive it will take 7 to lynch
Deadline is November 12th, 3:00pm PST

[Zorblag]

Can you explain the FoS on Dukes a little more though? It seems that he is being suspected for the same reason that you are suspecting wolf and poro, even wolf more as you call him wagony but not Dukes.

Hmm, I had meant to be calling Dukes more waggony when I said:

Perhaps I find Wolframnhart a bit over ready to do away with Xtoxm and Dukes to be a bit on the bandwagonny side as he gets reactions.

Porochaz and Wolframnhart seem firmer in their convictions and faster to vote with them. Dukes seems to have been hedging his bets a bit more and focusing on both Porochaz and Xtoxm. He didn't cast his most recent vote until Gorrad voted Xtoxm as well (with a vote that has since been unvoted) and it feels like it was a more opportunistic move to go with the momentum more than either of the other two. That combined with the robot-crumbing that I mentioned raise more flags than Wolframnhart (who I do find to be playing a somewhat reactive, focused game) does for me. As I said, I find Porochaz's play to be about neutral as of this time.

Is that clearer?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[LlamaFluff]

Is that clearer?

yeah, skimming and posting during programming class is bound to result in some errors

[Dukes]

While I have been sort of wagon-ing thus far, my vote stays on Xtoxm, and I feel it's clear why. He's claimed he is the Serial Killer -- so by definition, he is a Threat to the Town. Isn't it better to lynch a known threat rather than to poke around for a second one? Bird in the hand and all that.

[Jahudo]

Gorrad and Jahudo seem open to using the SK role for a while if we can come up with a way to do it which seems safe.

My exact feelings right now are that we keep the SK alive because he's an "in the bag" positive lynch to use anytime but lylo. If situations arise where we have 2 scummy players at the end of the day, we can decide then if it's worth it to use Xtoxm's night kill. But we should be careful that his kills won't increase our chances of lylo soon.

It just seems like the people who are moving towards a D2 lynch of poro on speculation are the most likely to be scum to me.

Who do you see as wanting a D2 poro lynch? Which posts?

Gorrad and Zorblag are in favor of a Xtoxm official claim.
LlamaFluff is against it.
I am in favor but am still considering if there are benefits to him revealing at the end of the day or a later day. Something like that.
Does anyone else have a stance on this?

[Porochaz]

my vote stays on Xtoxm, and I feel it's clear why. He's claimed he is the Serial Killer -- so by definition, he is a Threat to the Town.

This

His actions dont speak protown, what would he be there for an extra kill that we decide on beforehand... well I can see that falling right into scums hands... really the extra kill to be deicided upon before hand, being influenced by scum, good call... not. We have an anti town role here or what Im calling an ABR townie. (Someone who is so antitown the only good thing would be to lynch them) No matter what outcome he should be lynched, I am quite happy to have a chat for the rest of the day about everyone else but as long as we have a rope round xtoxms next by sundown. I cant trust a SK's kill, what if he decides to help scum on the last day, force a draw between scum and SK. Its a dumb move to keep him and he should go

[Drunken Piper]

Cant find the jester GD thread.
if farside did put a jester in this game, I will be seeing red.

(Sip)....what?

Volunteer for my nightkill right there.

this earns my vote.

vote Xtoxm

Unvote Ok, here's what we do. We direct Xtoxm's kill every night, directly. We specifically state who else we want dead before anyone hammers. If this isn't decided on, it's the person with the second most number of votes. If A) Xtoxm kills ANYONE but who we specify, B) We're in or think we're in a LYLO situation, C) It becomes obvious that either Xtoxm's kill is the only kill or he does not have a kill, or D) He pisses us off too much, we lynch him. Personally, I think the SK claim is BS, but I'm willing to give him a shot.

Also, Xtoxm, I want a full flavor claim.

I dont understand how we got in this situation...Leaving X alive, how this will benefit X in the end?..it doesnt, eventually he will be lynched. Staying alive longer does not help him win...it only helps scum..I also dont fully believe the SK claim...

X, why do you want to stay alive longer? Explain how that helps you fulfill your win condition.

[pacman281292]

That looks like:
a) a stupid Jester
b) a insane townie, or a weird role
c) a insane scum
I've never seen someone acting as Xtoxm is doing... I didn't understand the "supposed" Poro's breadcrumb...
This is a really weird game...
I'm lost

[Xtoxm]

Why hasn't the Mafia Rolecop been lynched yet?

[Gorrad]

...

Vote: Xtoxm

[LlamaFluff]

Why hasn't the Mafia Rolecop been lynched yet?

I really dont think Poro is scum rolecop. I still want a little more out of D1 then a page 5 SK lynch since it gives scum a free kill and little to go on D2.

[Xtoxm]

Hey, maybe if i'm lynched today Farside will let me replace in...

[pacman281292]

xtoxm, what in hell do you want to do?
Seriously, are you a Jester or not?

[Xtoxm]

[Jahudo]

Why hasn't the Mafia Rolecop been lynched yet?

I really dont think Poro is scum rolecop. I still want a little more out of D1 then a page 5 SK lynch since it gives scum a free kill and little to go on D2.

Llama can you answer my post 105 question to you? I want to know who you see as wanting a day 2 poro lynch. This is related to why poro might or might not be scum based on his actions so far.

That looks like:
a) a stupid Jester
b) a insane townie, or a weird role
c) a insane scum

Does this mean you think he can't be SK?

Why hasn't the Mafia Rolecop been lynched yet?

How much do you want to be lynched today? Instead of repeating this claim, please explain why 1) His initial random vote on you was not random or a joke and 2) Why you claimed instead of lying or playing it off as a random vote / joke?

[kloud1516]

Hey everyone, I am back from my v/la, and so I will do a read through and post comments a little later.

[Xtoxm]

I do not intend to repeat myself.

Anyway with the way you're all acting I don't really feel like helping you anymore so go ahead and lynch me if you like.

[Porochaz]

Well your making a HUGE case to stay... Im sorry but lynching me based on a claimed SK's suspicions and the reasons he gave(Ill repeat it shall I? Day rolecops dont go to town) aren't even 100% true, there is no reasons why a rolecop couldnt go to town. The post was obviously a joke, I even gave the link to the game I was referring to, even direct to the page. I think Ive given enough reason to prove that Im not a mafia rolecop so if you really truly want to start helping town maybe you might want to help look into other cases, Hmmm?

[Xtoxm]

Well, maybe I did screw up and take a joke the wrong way. But I can't do anything about that now.

I can't win anymore, so now that it's had time to sink in I guess I don't care how long I survive.

It's still Mafia that want me lynched today, but whatever.

[Porochaz]

Ok look at it from this side, by keeping you alive we have an extra kll that they can influence. Its all very well to say you'll be a townie vig which would be fine if it was only townies making the decision for you but its not. You could also easily change sides at the last moment and make scum win because you dont have the words "town" or "scum" in your role PM. We cant trust you. Well we cant trust anyone but least of all someone we know isnt fully on our side.

[Xtoxm]

Well when I say play as vig, I mean play as I would play as a vig, and shoot who I think as scum, not to who people tell me to kill.

[Gorrad]

Well when I say play as vig, I mean play as I would play as a vig, and shoot who I think as scum, not to who people tell me to kill.

And there's why we lynch you.

[Xtoxm]

No, you lynch me because you're an asshole.

[Porochaz]

The only way you were ever going to keep people on side, was to do exactly as they say. I always thought it was a bad idea, this is why.