Choose Carefully Mafia: (Game Over)

[bird1111]

Vote Count:
CarnCarn (4): Sineish, Santos, armlx, Empking
Riceballtail (2): Save the Dragons, Battle Mage
Santos (1): ZazieR
Save the Dragons (1): ZTR
ZTR (1): oEJo
Battle Mage (1): SocioPath
SocioPath (1): christiano drago
Sineish (1): Moses le fou
oEJo (1): hp [leaves]
Empking (1): CarnCarn

Not voting (2): Rich, Riceballtail

With 16 alive it is 9 to lynch.

Lynch Method Vote Count:
Gun (8): CarnCarn, Moses le fou, ZazieR, hp [leaves], oEJo, christiano drago, Santos, ZTR
Rope (4): Save the Dragons, Riceballtail, armlx, Empking

Not voting for a lynch method (4): Battle Mage, Sineish, Rich, SocioPath

If a lynch were to happen without any change in lynch method votes, the Gun would be used.

[Sineish]

it's logical to assume that he

must

have been named to you in your role.

How can you be so sure about what he said that allows you to think he must have armlx in his PM? You seriously think he couldn't

a) be making shit up
b) have misread something <===this is my pick right now.
c) have received information pre game from the mod
d) have picked up a meta tell
e) be reading too much into BM's mention of armlx's name.

I should elaborate on my thinking.

My vote on armlx was not purely random. I have some setup information that makes me sightly suspicious of him.

If he's telling the truth here, then his vote was not 'purely' random at the time he made it. This was in post 20, which was the

very first

post of the day.

There are two types of 'setup' information that I can think of which could give you clues on whether someone is scum.

1) Where you have some flavour in your post such as 'beware all players wearing blue ties', which is then hinted at by another player, eg 'I hate wearing ties' in their post. Since no-one had posted except for their confirms, we can rule this out.

2) Where a player is named specifically in the role pm. If this is the case, I don't think it's pro-town to be talking about it (or speculating on what that role could be) right now, if it only makes him 'slightly' suspicious.

Oh, and

Vote: Rope

[CarnCarn]

Still think CC is just lying out his ass.

Your continued doubts suggest that you're not simply avoiding the matter - you're honestly ignorant of it. For a moment there, you managed to have me thinking you weren't scum.
First of all, if you were pro-town, you should know why that info is enough to make me "slightly suspicious" of you. You claimed to have no idea what info that could be. The emphasis here is on "you," as in armlx (this doesn't apply to anyone else).
Do you know why you don't know? Because you're scum. Ironic because scum are supposed to be "informed" faction.
Moving back to

Vote: armlx

I'll give you another chance to explain yourself, and then I will explain this info if you don't get it.

[armlx]

Wow, shit, I'm a complete idiot. I mixed up my role PM for this game with another.

Unvote

[armlx]

Meh, I've screwed it up enough its at least worth this.

CC and myself can night talk. Not masons, as neither of us has received confirmation of the other's alignment. The later is what CC is talking about, as he is assuming this lack of confirmation is more or less a confirmation of guilty. However, I have NEVER seen that or similar things happen without symmetry in a 2 scum group game, and even in a 1 scum group game I have only seen it happen 1 time out of many, the single exception being a game the mod was fucking with the players as much as possible (Sin City Mafia on MTGS). I've seen it and can expect it with 3 player groups (President Mafia comes to mind), but in a 2 player group I doubt it.

So, basically I'm pretty sure CC is town now that I've stopped being an idiot.

As for other, non-night talk abilities, I have no comment. CC or myself may or may not have those.

[CarnCarn]

Meh, I've screwed it up enough its at least worth this.

CC and myself can night talk. Not masons, as neither of us has received confirmation of the other's alignment. The later is what CC is talking about, as he is assuming this lack of confirmation is more or less a confirmation of guilty. However, I have NEVER seen that or similar things happen without symmetry in a 2 scum group game, and even in a 1 scum group game I have only seen it happen 1 time out of many, the single exception being a game the mod was fucking with the players as much as possible (Sin City Mafia on MTGS). I've seen it and can expect it with 3 player groups (President Mafia comes to mind), but in a 2 player group I doubt it.

So, basically I'm pretty sure CC is town now that I've stopped being an idiot.

As for other, non-night talk abilities, I have no comment. CC or myself may or may not have those.

OK, you got what I was talking about. I'll move back again to

Vote: EmpKing

. I didn't assume it meant you were guilty, but perhaps you can see why I interpreted BM's post the way I did. My initial vote was pretty much random, with a few percent thrown your way, as I said.

Yeah, this game seems large enough to have 2 scum teams.

No comment on non-night talk abilities from me, as well.

[armlx]

Yeah, this game seems large enough to have 2 scum teams.

The set up itself implies 2 scum groups. considering we have to choose which one is lynch vulnerable each day.....

Going ahead and clearing up any remaining confusion. You know for a fact that there is a Sicilian Mafia and a Corsican Mafia in the setup.

[oEJo]

assume you have meta evidence for this?

No, just personal experience.

Seriously? This is your reasoning?

Yes.

This reason was the best I had at the time, much better than throwing out a random vote, in my opinion. I still have a slightly scummy read on ZTR for that tell. See how it goes.

Vote: Empking

His response to my vote on ZTR was very suspicious, and has only been voting for people based on other reasoning. All in all, not helpful and not trying to find scum.

[oEJo]

EBWOP: PS. Rofl at armlx's screw-up.

I believe the claims.

[Riceballtail]

UnFoS Armlx & CC

I also believe the claims.

[Save The Dragons]

Well, I'm glad you guys do, but it doesn't really clear them in the slightest (not that I don't believe the claims).

@BM: get out of my head...

[CarnCarn]

The set up itself implies 2 scum groups. considering we have to choose which one is lynch vulnerable each day.....

lol i'm an idiot, brain freeze

Well, I'm glad you guys do, but it doesn't really clear them in the slightest (not that I don't believe the claims).

You're right. I'm back to where I started the game, as far as armlx goes. Still kinda suspicious, but nothing to go on.
Right now I'm leaning towards an EmpKing lynch for being shifty/opportunistic. Probably only minor points against him, but that's really all I've got to go on for now.

[armlx]

Well, I'm glad you guys do, but it doesn't really clear them in the slightest (not that I don't believe the claims).

I wouldn't say in the slightest, but I generally agree with this.

[Santos]

Unvote: CarnCarn

Unvote: Gun

[Santos]

Also, the vote count has some discrepancies. ex: BattleMage is not voting when he clearly is voting for me.

[Santos]

*edit

my bad...missed the 'lynch method'.

Redacted.

[Moses le fou]

Ugh, the worst part about all this is that we can't go on anything that armlx has been saying. He's been playing the past four pages based off a different PM, meaning that any tells that he might have exhibited are null. Now, if we were to figure out which game he thought the PM for this one was for. . .

[ZazieR]

Players i would happily bandwagon now:

Santos
EmpKing
RiceBallTail

Of the 3, the latter has majorly pinged my scumdar twice, out of a handful of posts.

Unvote, Vote: RBT

but

IGMEOY: Empking, Santos

BM

Why Santos?


Did the masons really have to reveal themselves?

[hp [leaves]]

They are not actually masons as they don't know each other's alignment. They can only do night talk.

[Empking]

Ugh, the worst part about all this is that we can't go on anything that armlx has been saying. He's been playing the past four pages based off a different PM, meaning that any tells that he might have exhibited are null. Now, if we were to figure out which game he thought the PM for this one was for. . .

Unless he's lying.

[Battle Mage]

Yeah, this game seems large enough to have 2 scum teams.

The set up itself implies 2 scum groups. considering we have to choose which one is lynch vulnerable each day.....

Going ahead and clearing up any remaining confusion. You know for a fact that there is a Sicilian Mafia and a Corsican Mafia in the setup.

Reading through, Armlx is starting to smell...right up until this comment by the Mod. Why would the Mod post this? It seems fairly obvious to anyone who is paying attention. And it's not like it will really have a major impact on the game if it isnt remembered. That is, i cannot see how the Mod could possibly make this comment if Armlx was scum, because if he did, it could be considering meddling with what could be a ploy by Armlx.
As such, he's pretty much confirmed town.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Also, the vote count has some discrepancies. ex: BattleMage is not voting when he clearly is voting for me.

and you also missed my vote switch to RBT. So yeah.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Well, I'm glad you guys do, but it doesn't really clear them in the slightest (not that I don't believe the claims).

@BM: get out of my head...

Never!

Also, CarnCarn and Armlx are both town. I'm about 95% sure. An RBT wagon is the way to go. And some pressure on Santos if we wanna really screw with the Mod.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I am pretty sure I voted for gun.

Fixed.

This is 'why Santos'.

BM

[Save The Dragons]

Personally, I think masons are any two players that can talk that aren't scum together. Masons can be town or scum, and I think declaring them to be only players that can talk and know each other's alignment limits their secondary purpose. But a) that's semantics b) it really doesn't matter for this game.

@hp [leaves]: I'm a little disappointed with your latest contribution. Anyone looking suspicious to you?

Ugh, the worst part about all this is that we can't go on anything that armlx has been saying. He's been playing the past four pages based off a different PM, meaning that any tells that he might have exhibited are null. Now, if we were to figure out which game he thought the PM for this one was for. . .

Unless he's lying.

Since confusing up a role PMs is not automatically a predilection to being scum, Occum's Razor is tasty in this situation.

Yeah, this game seems large enough to have 2 scum teams.

The set up itself implies 2 scum groups. considering we have to choose which one is lynch vulnerable each day.....

Going ahead and clearing up any remaining confusion. You know for a fact that there is a Sicilian Mafia and a Corsican Mafia in the setup.

Reading through, Armlx is starting to smell...right up until this comment by the Mod. Why would the Mod post this? It seems fairly obvious to anyone who is paying attention. And it's not like it will really have a major impact on the game if it isnt remembered. That is, i cannot see how the Mod could possibly make this comment if Armlx was scum, because if he did, it could be considering meddling with what could be a ploy by Armlx.
As such, he's pretty much confirmed town.

BM

I'm not sure I understand how the mod agreeing with Armlx makes him town. I don't understand what kind of ploy Armlx could be pulling, because he's pretty much giving information from the OP.

I am pretty sure I voted for gun.

Fixed.

This is 'why Santos'.

BM

Interesting. I'm down with that, but I still like RBT better for now.