Electra wrote:Kinetic, your suspicions of me are complete BS, either you are scum or you are just ignoring everything that happened this game.
You're not looking at this logically. You're also not looking at it from my point of view.
Look at it as if you were me: This is what I know. I know my own role. I know that there is at least one scum left. I also know that IF there is another scum team with a Kill, it is virtually impossible that Caboose is NOT on this team. The likelihood is SO remote that it isn't even worth more than a cursory consideration.
Thus:
Case A) There is a Mafia A.
Caboose MUST be in it as he is claiming credit for all the kills that could be attributed to Mafia A.
Empking and Sera cannot be in it. Based both on play (Caboose has shown willingness to vote them in effectively LyLo) and logic (Electra claims that they are of the same faction. The only way this can be is either 1) they are both mafia A, which is impossible if Caboose must be in mafia A, or 2) That they are both town, or 3) They are some other faction that is the same alignment.
THUS, the only possible scum partners for Caboose, who must be in Mafia A, are either myself or you. I know I'm not his scum partner, so it MUST be you in this case.
Either way, Caboose is the common link, and he is the best play.
Case B) There is a SK, no other mafia (either A or B)
Caboose must be the SK. Unless the SK has not killed all game, or the hugely remote chance that he double killed all game. I also cannot imagine three killing roles in a balanced mini, but that is neither here nor there.
Thus, Caboose is the best play in this case.
Case C) There is a SK and a Mafia B member left.
In this case, Caboose must be the SK. The Mafia B member must be either myself or Electra.
If Electra is telling the truth, I am Mafia B.
If Electra is lying, then she is Mafia B.
Thus, in this case, Caboose is the best play. He's the only pretty much confirmed scum.
Case C) There is only a Mafia B left, and there is no other scum roles
Personally, I think this is a very remote chance. But even so, this would be the only case where Caboose is not the best choice. In this case, the only people who could be that person is either myself or you.
It can be you because as part of Mafia B, you would know Sens's alignment and thus know he is not the same alignment as anyone in game except yourself and your other scum buddy. Thus you can safely say, no matter WHAT Sera's alignment is, that his alignment is different from Sens. You don't choose yourself because if you show you're different from Sera and Sera shows up town, you have some explaining to do.
Based on play, the whole back and forth between you and Sens really could be the two of you trying to sell that you're not the same faction. Thus no matter who dies of the two of you, the other makes out like a bandit. If you get lynched and turn up scum then Sens plays the "he was obv scum trying to get a free lynch of two townies", while if Sens dies you are 'virtually confirmed'.
Either way, in the end the if we lynch Caboose in this case, then the game doesn't end. And the only people who can be Mafia is either you or me.
THUS, in 3 out of the 4 possibilities, the best play is to lynch Caboose, and in the fourth possibility lynching Caboose doesn't lose us the game. In other cases not lynching Caboose; however, does have the chance of losing us the game.
Please explain to me how I would know what I knew if I were scum,
I did. Read Case C.
and why I would claim when I did if I were scum.
Your timing is... indeed a little odd. But then again, that is what a gambit is all about. If there isn't any risk involved then it isn't a gambit, is it? Plus, if you revealed your role at a different time it wouldn't have the impact it does now.
Overall, your own argument as to why you are the 'most confirmed role' here is the best argument for why you claimed when you did.
I'm pretty much the most confirmed role here, and you are failing to see this.
No, I see how this can be seen. I'm just being a skeptic. I'm trying to find all of the possibilities, and if you are telling the truth, then there is exactly one possibility, Caboose is the last scum and the game is over.
If I thought otherwise, I would be voting otherwise.
Also, there have been plenty of Mafia games where there are two Mafia that alternate night kills, it's not the standard, but neither is anything else in this game. Are you even reading my posts? What about them is scummy? It's possible Caboose is the an SK but it's impossible for him to be Mafia A.
True, it is certainly possible that there is some alternate killing method, but I don't buy it. It seems too imbalanced in the favor of town, heavily, and although this game is odd I certainly don't think it is imbalanced.
As for your view of Caboose, I completely disagree. My logic is flawless in this case. If you can't see it, the only thing I can assume is that you are scum trying to save the game for yourself.
The other thing is that lynching Empking is obviously the better play in terms of probabilities, if you're just going to ignore everything that happened in this game.
How? Please explain this to me, because none of the arguments that Caboose have made make sense.
The ONLY way that Empking is the better play is if he has a possibility of being Mafia A. According to your own "supposed role" he CANNOT be the Serial Killer. He also CANNOT be Mafia B. And I have proven he cannot be Mafia A using logic.
The ONLY way he is mafia A is in the very unlikely chance there is an alternating kill method and I. Do. Not. Buy. That.
