Moving to the Univesal ## Format - Discuss

[Lord Gurgi]

I don't see why ## is such a great amount of work for a player, people generally require unvote. As a mod this makes it easier for me, and I don't think that it is a lot of work for the players.

Players who would pass up an otherwise good game just because of the ## rule need to stop being lazy.

Gasp, you say, he calls the players lazy when everyone else calls the mod lazy. Well yes, players are lazy. Have we gotten to a point where players don't read the rules?

[shaft.ed]

If this becomes commonplace, I'm searching for a new place to play. It would be a sign of how lazy and/or stupid our mods have gotten.

Have we gotten to the point when people can no longer recognize

bolded text

?

I'll also add that if a mod isn't following the game close enough to properly get a votecount, I don't think they are likley to be doing a particularly good job on the rest. Yes I know mistakes should occur but I think a mod should be involved and reading along with their game.

[SensFan]

If this becomes commonplace, I'm searching for a new place to play. It would be a sign of how lazy and/or stupid our mods have gotten.

Have we gotten to the point when people can no longer recognize

bolded text

?

Have we gotten to the point where people fail to realize that most of the

bolded text

(emphasized words, quotes votes, etc...) aren't votes?

[JDodge]

If this becomes commonplace, I'm searching for a new place to play. It would be a sign of how lazy and/or stupid our mods have gotten.

Have we gotten to the point when people can no longer recognize

bolded text

?

This would be an

improvement

that reduces the work-load on mods and will likely reduce the amount of mistakes made. The fact mods should already be able to handle the stress of modding does not change the fact we should revise and improve our conventions, even if they aren't nessecary.

If they don't have time for the current work-load, they shouldn't be modding. If them making mistakes under the current system is frequent to the point we need to change an

entire system

just to hold their hands, they shouldn't be modding.

Players who would pass up an otherwise good game just because of the ## rule need to stop being lazy.

Gasp, you say, he calls the players lazy when everyone else calls the mod lazy. Well yes, players are lazy. Have we gotten to a point where players don't read the rules?

Show me where rules are posted prior to a game starting and I might be inclined to agree a bit more.

OH WAIT!

If this becomes commonplace, I'm searching for a new place to play. It would be a sign of how lazy and/or stupid our mods have gotten.

Have we gotten to the point when people can no longer recognize

bolded text

?

Have we gotten to the point where people fail to realize that most of the

bolded text

(emphasized words, quotes votes, etc...) aren't votes?

Then ban bold text from anything

but

said votes and otherwise. Banning text styles is commonplace, forcing your work onto the players is horrendously lazy and tacky.

[shaft.ed]

sorry sens I edited in the commentary

[Adel]

ITT mods-to-avoid reveal themselves.

[SensFan]

ITT mods-to-avoid reveal themselves.

Note that I'm not advocating the rule. Just responding to the argument that I found to be logically innaccurate (Discrete Math has me seeing this sort of stuff everywhere)

[Lord Gurgi]

JDodge, if a mod asks you to read the rules ahead of time,

do it

.

I am surprised that so many people are willing to join or not join games based on two hash signs.

[bionicchop2]

I can say I have already messed my vote up several times in gorkat's current game. I am not a stupid person. It just becomes easy to forget when you don't read the rules each time you read the game and go to vote. I think whatever the voting format is, it should be uniform throughout the site. If I am doing it in every game, it is easy. If I am doing it in 1/4 current games, it can be a nuisance.

[armlx]

Have we gotten to the point where people fail to realize that most of the bolded text (emphasized words, quotes votes, etc...) aren't votes?

Hence why I ban bolded text in my games except for votes, FOS's, and mod questions.

[ZONEACE]

ITT i agree with Jdodge.




(i also agree with adel, but that's less of a surprise.

[M4yhem]

If them making mistakes under the current system is frequent to the point we need to change an

entire system

just to hold their hands, they shouldn't be modding.

It's not an

entire system

it's two extra characters. It takes something like 4 seconds extra to type ##vote instead of vote. It's really not a big deal, or even a small deal.

[ZONEACE]

If them making mistakes under the current system is frequent to the point we need to change an

entire system

just to hold their hands, they shouldn't be modding.

It's not an

entire system

it's two extra characters. It takes something like 4 seconds extra to type ##vote instead of vote. It's really not a big deal, or even a small deal.

Its a system that has worked for years and only isn't working cause we've been inundated with a series of lazy/incompetent mods.

[Lord Gurgi]

If them making mistakes under the current system is frequent to the point we need to change an

entire system

just to hold their hands, they shouldn't be modding.

It's not an

entire system

it's two extra characters. It takes something like 4 seconds extra to type ##vote instead of vote. It's really not a big deal, or even a small deal.

Its a system that has worked for years and only isn't working cause we've been inundated with a series of lazy/incompetent mods.

Do you have a problem with change?

[ZONEACE]

If them making mistakes under the current system is frequent to the point we need to change an

entire system

just to hold their hands, they shouldn't be modding.

It's not an

entire system

it's two extra characters. It takes something like 4 seconds extra to type ##vote instead of vote. It's really not a big deal, or even a small deal.

Its a system that has worked for years and only isn't working cause we've been inundated with a series of lazy/incompetent mods.

Do you have a problem with change?

With unnecessary change that only stands to coddle the incompetent/lazy.

[Lord Gurgi]

If them making mistakes under the current system is frequent to the point we need to change an

entire system

just to hold their hands, they shouldn't be modding.

It's not an

entire system

it's two extra characters. It takes something like 4 seconds extra to type ##vote instead of vote. It's really not a big deal, or even a small deal.

Its a system that has worked for years and only isn't working cause we've been inundated with a series of lazy/incompetent mods.

Do you have a problem with change?

With unnecessary change that only stands to coddle the incompetent/lazy.

Refusing to put ## in front of your votes is either incompetence or sloth.

[Elmo]

How is it possible that real, living, breathing human beings feel this is an important issue, one way or the other?

[gorckat]

ITT Oman tied a bunch of panties in a bunch.

Use it. Don't. Don't play in games with it. Skip games that don't use it.

[Yosarian2]

Meh. I don't like it, and if I were in a game like that, I'd almost certanly never remember to do it. I've been tryying

Vote:Pooky

for years now, that's not a habit that's going to be easy to change. Besides, it's cludgy. You can work a vote right into a sentance right now, like "Well, if that's your attitude, then I'm clearly going to have to

vote:Lord Gurgi

". That's not nearly as effective with those little number sign symbols.

Although, if that's how you want to run your game, fine, whatever. It'll probably end up becomeing some new mafia convention, where people end up saying "

##Vote:Battle Mage

" when they REALLY REALLY mean it or something, like how "confirm vote" stuck around even though no one has actually used that as a rule in their games for like 5-6 years now.

[ZONEACE]

If them making mistakes under the current system is frequent to the point we need to change an

entire system

just to hold their hands, they shouldn't be modding.

It's not an

entire system

it's two extra characters. It takes something like 4 seconds extra to type ##vote instead of vote. It's really not a big deal, or even a small deal.

Its a system that has worked for years and only isn't working cause we've been inundated with a series of lazy/incompetent mods.

Do you have a problem with change?

With unnecessary change that only stands to coddle the incompetent/lazy.

Refusing to put ## in front of your votes is either incompetence or sloth.

More proof you are in fact the personification of douchbaggery. You LOVE to disagree with people just so you can. You're like a 14 year old.

There is no reason to make EVERYONE ON THE SITE change how they vote because SOME (notice the difference between SOME and EVERYONE) mods are too fucking stupid and lazy to find votes in a fucking thread.

If it was a game where there were post restrictions are other things that required irregular bold text, i could understand making it a rule for an individual game, but to make a site wide change simply because a small number of people are incompetents does not make sense.

[Lord Gurgi]

The 'Do you have a problem with change?' comment was a joke, in bad humour admittedly, but a joke.

ZONEACE, I use this in an ongoing game. You are calling me lazy or incompetent for using it, I disagree with that statement, and think that people refusing to join a game over something like that is ludicrous.

I never said that everyone should do it, I said that it should not be a deciding factor in joining a game, and that refusing to do it is laziness (This is while in a game that requires it, of course).

[Erg0]

If Stoofer was here he'd say that this was a solution in search of a problem.

Oh wait, I just realised that Yos posted above. He'd just post an "I agree with Yosarian2" smilie then.

[ZONEACE]

More proof you are in fact the personification of douchbaggery. You LOVE to disagree with people just so you can. You're like a 14 year old.

There is no reason to make EVERYONE ON THE SITE change how they vote because SOME (notice the difference between SOME and EVERYONE) mods are too fucking stupid and lazy to find votes in a fucking thread.

If it was a game where there were post restrictions are other things that required irregular bold text, i could understand making it a rule for an individual game, but to make a site wide change simply because a small number of people are incompetents does not make sense.

[JDodge]

JDodge, if a mod asks you to read the rules ahead of time,

do it

.

I am surprised that so many people are willing to join or not join games based on two hash signs.

I agree on the first.

Give me an example of where the rules for any game I have signed up for where this rule was in effect had the rules posted before the time the player list is finalized, which is the point where you have a social contractual obligation to play.

If them making mistakes under the current system is frequent to the point we need to change an

entire system

just to hold their hands, they shouldn't be modding.

It's not an

entire system

it's two extra characters. It takes something like 4 seconds extra to type ##vote instead of vote. It's really not a big deal, or even a small deal.

Its a system that has worked for years and only isn't working cause we've been inundated with a series of lazy/incompetent mods.

Do you have a problem with change?

With unnecessary change that only stands to coddle the incompetent/lazy.

Refusing to put ## in front of your votes is either incompetence or sloth.

And it's incompetence and sloth on the point of the mod to force it upon people. I'd say that the shortcomings of 1 affecting 12 or more (example) are worse than the shortcomings of 12 or more affecting one.

[Claus]

Uhhh. This seems like unnecessary sillyness. Aren't our game rules becoming a bit too ritualistic? Myself, I don't even require people to unvote when revoting.

Although people who are saying "If you do this I'll never play with you again, waaaah!" are reacting too strongly to something which is probably a fast fading fad.