In post 248, JacksonVirgo wrote:Wagons are badIn post 246, Black wrote:Wagons are goodIn post 235, RationalMadman wrote: I am seeing Black as scummy on entrance, feel she's voting T3 because either it's a bus and she hopes others react by disliking the wagon and turning it on someone or because T3 has lurked overall and is an easy target (she is the second vote on him, not first).
Can you explain these scumreadsIn post 252, halfasleep wrote: awesomeming, black, jacksonvirgo probably town
rationalmadman, hu tao, robbnva maybe scum
currently more vibes than anything elseIn post 253, Black wrote:Can you explain these scumreadsIn post 252, halfasleep wrote: awesomeming, black, jacksonvirgo probably town
rationalmadman, hu tao, robbnva maybe scum
I have not always tried to say reads.In post 236, RationalMadman wrote: If you ISO lovekilling he's throwing out reads which is Towny but they seem to just be reads as in:
Say reads for the sake of it always try to.
Idk if this is scummy at all since I know of many players that play this way but to rigidly stick to this every post is odd.
His insight seems to stick to outing reads for the sake of it, there's something slightly unnatural about it.
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Love Killing I was trying to understand what the topic of conversation was on page 6In post 142, LoveKilling wrote:So if I'm understanding correctly wagon analysis is putting pressure on someone semi-random to see how they react. But the problem with this can be some could be inherently nervous due to them having a fun role or just never been good with pressure. In this type of mafia I think the wagon method is something that can risk losing a game due to reads being formed around it.In post 133, RationalMadman wrote:I won't argue back much as I know it's a waste of time and energy because people here are deadset on DP1 votes.In post 71, Robbnva wrote: I am actually more in favor of a quick elimination vs a no elimination. While you make good arguments, they are ones I have seen in the past and I still think eliminating somebody is better for the overall ability to find scum.
Thre is a pseudotheory that wagon analysis matters a lot. Often one partner busses or refuses to vote Town, it's very rare both make themselves obvious through vote patterns etc.
The only thing wagons help with is that often a bussing partner is either at the apex beginning (leading vote) or the last 2-3 votes of a vote on their partner. Even that is a pseudotheory as they could have voted in the middle purely hoping to make people suspect scum is pushing on their partner due to how fast the wagon built.
DP1 vote analysis is not pseudo but is merely a small part of the equation. So much depends on so much else when analysing votes.
Love Killing Love Killing Sounds like you're down to join me on T3In post 258, LoveKilling wrote: So yes I have just given reads more recently, but I want to get the flow of this game going. I think a wagon on t3 and N_M would make them both have to play or potentially die.
Okay click ISO on yourself and tell me where I'm wrong on it. Outing reads is obviously fine, I've done it. However outing reads without cross examining/interrogating is a way scum can try to seem Towny without really leading to more tells in others.In post 256, LoveKilling wrote:I have not always tried to say reads.In post 236, RationalMadman wrote: If you ISO lovekilling he's throwing out reads which is Towny but they seem to just be reads as in:
Say reads for the sake of it always try to.
Idk if this is scummy at all since I know of many players that play this way but to rigidly stick to this every post is odd.
His insight seems to stick to outing reads for the sake of it, there's something slightly unnatural about it.
Problem is... If they're Town, we gain absolutely nothing from it. By nothing I mean even the votes on them reveal NOTHING, since Scum and Town would have equal motive to vote them there.In post 258, LoveKilling wrote: So yes I have just given reads more recently, but I want to get the flow of this game going. I think a wagon on t3 and N_M would make them both have to play or potentially die.
What's the point of this kind of question?In post 183, Robbnva wrote:So why not vote half? Or me? Since you scum read me also.In post 170, awesomeming327 wrote: @halfasleep: why does [you as scum] apply to rational? rational has a very noticeably distinct playstyle.
155 seems fabricated. It really feels like she's deciding the read direction first and then finding evidence to support it rather than looking at behavior and then deciding what alignment it indicates
this argument doesn't feel like an argument a townie makes
Your reads, even on a vibe basis, make zero sense to me. Seems fabricated. You have been a scumread of mine all DP. It is not your vote on me, it's the why and how behind everything you're posting.In post 268, halfasleep wrote: wagon on me is goofy at best. throwing out vibereads is perfectly reasonable early engagement.
I didn't get much in terms of scum pings when I was catching up but I liked Roden's vote and I like Roden so far in general so I wanted to add pressure thereIn post 267, awesomeming327 wrote: black please explain t3
To better understand why you aren't voting anyone yet, especially when you have 2 scum reads. I am not sure if you realized it yet but part of the game is to find scum, the other is to eliminate them. You really aren't doing either rn.In post 265, awesomeming327 wrote:What's the point of this kind of question?In post 183, Robbnva wrote:So why not vote half? Or me? Since you scum read me also.In post 170, awesomeming327 wrote: @halfasleep: why does [you as scum] apply to rational? rational has a very noticeably distinct playstyle.
155 seems fabricated. It really feels like she's deciding the read direction first and then finding evidence to support it rather than looking at behavior and then deciding what alignment it indicates
this argument doesn't feel like an argument a townie makes
This vote would have looked better had you voted them before anyone else had, not it doesn't look as good
I have no problem with just going off of vibes. Vibes are the reason why I’m voting for youIn post 268, halfasleep wrote: wagon on me is goofy at best. throwing out vibereads is perfectly reasonable early engagement.
In post 260, RationalMadman wrote:Okay click ISO on yourself and tell me where I'm wrong on it. Outing reads is obviously fine, I've done it. However outing reads without cross examining/interrogating is a way scum can try to seem Towny without really leading to more tells in others.In post 256, LoveKilling wrote:I have not always tried to say reads.In post 236, RationalMadman wrote: If you ISO lovekilling he's throwing out reads which is Towny but they seem to just be reads as in:
Say reads for the sake of it always try to.
Idk if this is scummy at all since I know of many players that play this way but to rigidly stick to this every post is odd.
His insight seems to stick to outing reads for the sake of it, there's something slightly unnatural about it.
I did Iso myself and my early posts have almost nothing to do with reads. I was mainly asking questions about certain things. In recent posts yes I have just give out info for no rhyme or reason so I understand your confusion on me being towny. But with both the times I gave reads their was really no reason to cross examine anyone, it's still early on in the game so trying to go out guns blazing asking tons of questions to people is counterintuitive this earlyIn post 261, RationalMadman wrote:Problem is... If they're Town, we gain absolutely nothing from it. By nothing I mean even the votes on them reveal NOTHING, since Scum and Town would have equal motive to vote them there.In post 258, LoveKilling wrote: So yes I have just given reads more recently, but I want to get the flow of this game going. I think a wagon on t3 and N_M would make them both have to play or potentially die.
Love Killing 