Shell Game (Day 3)

[Bingle]

Will not somebody rid us of this troublesome bear?

Oh, I did that years ago. This has been “Weekend at Pooky’s” since 2015.

[Gypyx]

Gypyx do you have an opinion on scum in the klick-sunflower-marci-dan-std hood?

My guess would be at dan, i've taken a look at klick ISO and idk what the wagon is about

[Hermit Crab]

Like, it literally said “I can’t kill her for being annoying because she’s town”

What scum explicitly says that shit?

Pedit-
Hey, Bingle. You town?

[Bingle]

Haven’t decided yet. Sell me on it.

What does the town have to offer me to side with them? The scumteam sent me a neat fruit basket with gold ribbons.

[Hermit Crab]

Haven’t decided yet. Sell me on it.

What does the town have to offer me to side with them? The scumteam sent me a neat fruit basket with gold ribbons.

I can offer to help you finish that fruit basket. It sounds like it has way too many fruits for one to handle.

-Herr Mitt

[PenguinPower]

Hey, Bingle. You town?

Bingle is town.

[Hermit Crab]

Hey, Bingle. You town?

Bingle is town.

Well, PP said it so it must be true.

Who else is town?

[PenguinPower]

Pooky and warmpup

Also you.

[Hermit Crab]

Who is scum that isn’t Klick?

[PenguinPower]

Luke

[Hermit Crab]

Why? I think he’s pretty town so far.

[PenguinPower]

Just as he wants you to believe....he's a wilily one.

[Hermit Crab]

What am I missing on Pooky and Firebringer?

[morph the cat]

also we didn't decide it's a dethy we were like "hey this is kinda like dethy". which. it isn't dethy. can we stop pretending it's dethy im so tired

I'm kind of confused. do you not think there's 1 scum in the hood anymore?

i didn't ever think it was a for sure thing. i said it was the most elegant. but i am not particularly willing to take it for granted that we can make assumptions here

What do you think Klick?

I think we are intended to assume the Dethy situation

...though literally right this second it has occurred to me that the 'Shell Game' could be quite literal within the context of the Dethy, and there is no shell

I don't think marci, ActionDan, or STD are scum

The process of figuring out sanities with a liar in the mix has a shell game aspect to it. And I think that aspect is compounded by the cop abilities being inventions (If I interpreted all that correctly).

I thought (and still think) that calling a game with a dethy-like component (and another large hood that we know relatively little about so far) a shell game makes sense.

I'm still kinda gnawing on what grpscum in the hood could mean as opposed to a traitor, though I initially thought that would be way overpowered.

[PenguinPower]

What am I missing on Pooky and Firebringer?

They are upstanding animal police detectives who would never do this town wrong.

[Hermit Crab]

I’m wondering if our hood has like two scum out of six or something for that shell game? I’ve been trying to mull over what I think the game could be for ours but it’s also kinda dead in our hood so meh

[Dannflor]

if shell game doesn't mean people are gonna be swapping in and out of hoods im going to be disappointed

[Hermit Crab]

Maybe there’s a mechanic where we play two separate games all at once to get a vanilla cop.

[morph the cat]

1. Morph since you have some experience, how long would it take to figure out reliabilites practically using the miller claim as calibration given the circumstances?

Flips factor in. Calibrating together once on someone who dies soonish gives the array of results Calibrating a second time on someone the group agrees is not the same alignment as the first calibration has a *chance* of pinpointing the naive and paranoid results if that player also flips soonish.

BUT, in this scenario where the abilities are inventions means that your hood can't reliably choose the ultimate target. And there's no guarantee you'd send inventions to only town.

To make calibration paramount, I think the best thing would be for the target choice to be a consensus decision including players who aren't in your hood. Whoever you send the inventions to would have to explain themselves if the choose to go against consensus in how they use their inventions.

Another big factor is when the inventions can be used, same night received, or later.

[morph the cat]

i think that town!klick is capable of finding scum!me. he did it very well recently

i think regardless of alignment he knows that he doesn't have reason to think im scum here

the difference is that i think if he's town he would also know that if we're both town there's a decent chance we can find each other. the fact that he doesn't have reason to think im scum would make him doubt. im on the other side here, not fully confident that klick is scum, and that makes me question AD and marci

the way that his reads on AD and marci progressed from hesitancy/uncertainty to full-on confidence isn't supported and just isn't really believable to me coming from town!klick

this is what i mean by calling the play positional. i think that those reads became solidified out of necessity and not out of justified reason. and i don't think that's how town!klick plays

elaborate?

Also, Klick/Marci/Dan/STD do you agree with sunflower's description of your hood's activities last night?

There is a third hood

How so?

i think that town!klick is capable of finding scum!me. he did it very well recently

i think regardless of alignment he knows that he doesn't have reason to think im scum here

the difference is that i think if he's town he would also know that if we're both town there's a decent chance we can find each other. the fact that he doesn't have reason to think im scum would make him doubt. im on the other side here, not fully confident that klick is scum, and that makes me question AD and marci

the way that his reads on AD and marci progressed from hesitancy/uncertainty to full-on confidence isn't supported and just isn't really believable to me coming from town!klick

this is what i mean by calling the play positional. i think that those reads became solidified out of necessity and not out of justified reason. and i don't think that's how town!klick plays

The thing I find most concerning about you personally is that your descriptions of my play don't match up with how I think of my own play at all.

Like the thing just now about going from hesitancy/uncertainty to full-on confidence on marci and STD (not ActionDan, I don’t think that matches my progression there?). I... do stuff like that all the time? When I have a reason to think someone is town, I tend towards hard-committal. I think that's one of my defining traits as a player.

My concern is that you're taking uncharitable interpretations of my actions, because pushing me early and getting me out of the way is exactly how I think scum!you would want to approach this situation.

But I am having doubts about you currently, mostly stemming from thinking 0-scum is kind of plausible

How do you reconcile this with Ceph's warning about scum getting an advantage at some point down the line if they're still in the hood at that point.

I am somewhat intrigued by the idea of players getting swapped in/out of that hood (either hood, really).

[morph the cat]

What am I missing on Pooky and Firebringer?

They are upstanding animal police detectives who would never do this town wrong.

Some real content would be quite nice about now.

[Hermit Crab]

Wait, where was this warning from Ceph?

[Sunflower]

invention is just a 1-shot, we target at night, so they would receive it at end of night, so they'd have to use it the next night

[Sunflower]

elaborate?

be more specific

[marcistar]

I remember the cabal said that there would possibily be drivers in play?

Is that still possible here? Maybe we should list 2-3 targets so scum has a harder time messing with it?