Agree, but at the time Black didn’t know she was subbing out, so maybe think about it from that angle. You’re making your assumption based on that premise, one which did not exist at the time.In post 1597, shiki wrote:In post 1593, Afrayed Knott wrote: I’m not sure but it seems pretty weak form my POV. Almost like she was tentatively keeping away from engaging with Black.
Why would that be, firstly from a scum POV then a Town POV?
looking at it there are a few more posts than that that weren't quotes or anything because in real time but not particularly much
i assume it's simply because aristeia and black were only both active during a couple windows and black was townreading aristeia so less reason for her to engage aristeia at length and! no reason for aristeia to really engage black because then more chance for her to see she wasn't town with little benefit as she was already townreading her
not going to go much into the possible scum pov because i know she wasn't (though it'd likely be very simply they did not see a beneficial opportunity to do so in the limited time black was here)
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Took me a while to understand what you were saying here. But ok. Again I’m basing my decision on the lack of interaction between Ari and Black, and Meuh’s somewhat lack of drive in the thread to actually scumhunt. That’s how I am seeing it.In post 1598, shiki wrote:In post 1596, shiki wrote:has felt like you wanted to fold this hand for a while just can't figure out if because you were unsure or because position pretty doomed
so hard to see process
like if you're town then my worry is that you're miseliminated or misvote me at some point thus my approach here
if you're a scums the worry is that you aren't eliminated - like the path for scum!you to get me eliminated here pretty unlikely i thinkYou're Scummy! I'm Afrayed Knott..
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In post 1601, Afrayed Knott wrote:
Agree, but at the time Black didn’t know she was subbing out, so maybe think about it from that angle. You’re making your assumption based on that premise, one which did not exist at the time.In post 1597, shiki wrote:In post 1593, Afrayed Knott wrote: I’m not sure but it seems pretty weak form my POV. Almost like she was tentatively keeping away from engaging with Black.
Why would that be, firstly from a scum POV then a Town POV?
looking at it there are a few more posts than that that weren't quotes or anything because in real time but not particularly much
i assume it's simply because aristeia and black were only both active during a couple windows and black was townreading aristeia so less reason for her to engage aristeia at length and! no reason for aristeia to really engage black because then more chance for her to see she wasn't town with little benefit as she was already townreading her
not going to go much into the possible scum pov because i know she wasn't (though it'd likely be very simply they did not see a beneficial opportunity to do so in the limited time black was here)
well no not really making that assumption based on time stamps of when they were posting when they were both here and then black was gone and the rest is based on black’s stance towards aristeia and how i assume aristeia would play around that
right like if i asked you why you haven’t been interacting with dannflor/fireisredsir/meuh for the past couple days the answer is pretty apparent yeah
like there were limited windows and there is some interaction in those windows but aristeia wouldn’t have great incentive to engage black since she was already townreading herfeel free to delete this ghost-
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Took me a while to understand what you were saying here. But ok. Again I’m basing my decision on the lack of interaction between Ari and Black, and Meuh’s somewhat lack of drive in the thread to actually scumhunt. That’s how I am seeing it.In post 1598, shiki wrote:In post 1596, shiki wrote:has felt like you wanted to fold this hand for a while just can't figure out if because you were unsure or because position pretty doomed
so hard to see process
like if you're town then my worry is that you're miseliminated or misvote me at some point thus my approach here
if you're a scums the worry is that you aren't eliminated - like the path for scum!you to get me eliminated here pretty unlikely i think
also if ever there’s something you’re not understanding please ask me to try to restate it is very frequent occurrence for me like a lot of my language patterns here have developed for exactly this reason - to try to be more clear
are those two separate thoughts or somehow intertwined?feel free to delete this ghost-
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also could you look at meuh’s unvote of oopsiedaisy i pointed out earlier and then meuh’s response to the oopsiedaisy wagon going back to e-1 a little later and let me know what conclusions you draw from that? or like, what you think scum!her would have been doing there?feel free to delete this ghost-
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Got you, but you are hopefully only seeing one thread. If they were/are partners then they have another thread. And still the lack of posting between them is again driven by the fact that at the time they were playing together under the impression they would both stay in the game. So time to ‘cover their tracks’ so to speak. Yes ok its all hypothesis but I think its an angle that existsIn post 1603, shiki wrote:In post 1601, Afrayed Knott wrote:
Agree, but at the time Black didn’t know she was subbing out, so maybe think about it from that angle. You’re making your assumption based on that premise, one which did not exist at the time.In post 1597, shiki wrote:In post 1593, Afrayed Knott wrote: I’m not sure but it seems pretty weak form my POV. Almost like she was tentatively keeping away from engaging with Black.
Why would that be, firstly from a scum POV then a Town POV?
looking at it there are a few more posts than that that weren't quotes or anything because in real time but not particularly much
i assume it's simply because aristeia and black were only both active during a couple windows and black was townreading aristeia so less reason for her to engage aristeia at length and! no reason for aristeia to really engage black because then more chance for her to see she wasn't town with little benefit as she was already townreading her
not going to go much into the possible scum pov because i know she wasn't (though it'd likely be very simply they did not see a beneficial opportunity to do so in the limited time black was here)
well no not really making that assumption based on time stamps of when they were posting when they were both here and then black was gone and the rest is based on black’s stance towards aristeia and how i assume aristeia would play around that
right like if i asked you why you haven’t been interacting with dannflor/fireisredsir/meuh for the past couple days the answer is pretty apparent yeah
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The whole interaction around daisy and the vote upvote are strange. She votes and says she wants to ‘poke here’ then invites as Ari starts to get some pressure. This is rather interesting
In post 675, Meuh wrote: I'm kind of concerned about how universal the feeling the bad feelings on Ari have been, but I definitely don't adore her recent postingYou're Scummy! I'm Afrayed Knott..
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In post 1607, Afrayed Knott wrote: The whole interaction around daisy and the voteunvoteare strange. She votes and says she wants to ‘poke here’ thenunvotesas Ari starts to get some pressure. This is rather interesting
In post 675, Meuh wrote: I'm kind of concerned about how universal the feeling the bad feelings on Ari have been, but I definitely don't adore her recent postingYou're Scummy! I'm Afrayed Knott..
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I need to properly catch up (maybe tomorrow?) But my brain is currently telling me it's just Fire-
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Fire's posting has been like vaguely good and I liked his thought process surrounding me, it felt like a genuine thing, which made me townread him a lot more
But then like that thought process was a broad meta on me and not some read he formed here, and like it's not too difficult to apply that template?
Which wouldn't be bad if the rest of his posting was town indicative but like... is it? Is it really?
When I played against scum Fire, vaguely good posting kept him off my radar until it was too late
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The most substantial read here is a playstyle oriented thing that I'm not sure town Fire would be comfortable with throwing out there as the basis of a readIn post 1353, fireisredsir wrote: i think elements is just pushing wherever is convenient at the time i don't think they have real reads
and if their reads get called out as not making sense they just say "oh that was fake for a reaction test" and then make no indication that they actually cared about making reads off the reaction
idk where their scumread on me went it just disappeared when there wasn't pressure on me anymore. idk even where it came from in the first place
Townies are disjointed in their reads all the time, does this make Elements scum?
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My first thought when Daisy died was "oh shit I'm being setup as a mislim" (Large part of what made me post this:)In post 1218, OopsieDaisy wrote: In terms of big hood:
Meuh is golden town because she's isn't scum with any of the small hood.
Afrayed has been chilling but I don't think that's an awful thing considering their overarching playstyle.
Shiki is a neutral read. Double replacement slot irks me but nothing they've done has been egregious.
Dann has fallen down cause of the recent jabbing at me. I still think Dann might be town tho?
Fire has sat on me the whole game and surprise surprise he's back again because he's too scared to rock the boat and upset his standing with other players. Most survivalistic/scummy of the lot imo.
But like, Daisy was also the only person casting significant doubt on FireIn post 1488, Meuh wrote: Ooh boy
Scum benefit from a Daisy death because then I'm a free mislim, but Fire just like, gets to win-
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Or like more specifically, the basis for a wagon and a lim, and the basis to pivot away from AriIn post 1614, Meuh wrote:
The most substantial read here is a playstyle oriented thing that I'm not sure town Fire would be comfortable with throwing out there as the basis of a readIn post 1353, fireisredsir wrote: i think elements is just pushing wherever is convenient at the time i don't think they have real reads
and if their reads get called out as not making sense they just say "oh that was fake for a reaction test" and then make no indication that they actually cared about making reads off the reaction
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hi umm i haven't thought about this game in like a week. ill catch up later tonight
my instinct of a starting point rn is that dann is town bc i do not think the way him vs ari went down is partnered. the general structure of it maybe but i think when ari busses (and she does enjoy bussing) she tends to have like a convincing case. i think thats something she's pretty good at as scum. and just a lot of little things with their interactions didn't feel like they made sense from partners-
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does it change your opinion if afrayed is a relatively experienced mafia player and is perhaps underselling his experience with the "im still learning" thing in 242 etcIn post 1532, shiki wrote:In post 1531, Dannflor wrote: what are your thoughts on ari arranging the hoods in the way she did if she’s partnered with Afrayed?
You were using that as a defense earlier on D1
still think it'd be weird for her to have done so in this way and it's the thing that makes me feel the uneasiest about an afrayed knott/aristeia pairing right now
because sending a newbie to the large neighbourhood and then pushing them and playing in the way aristeia did in general (small neighbourhood doesn't matter etc) really does seem like a lot of added pressure for partner and the split makes more sense for other partners as i said - really for any of the other three of you as you're all strong scum players - but that doesn't make the other factors go away and were afrayed knott an experienced mafia player i think aristeia's play around the slot would make a lot of sense for a partner
if they are partners i kinda wonder if aristeia asked which neighbourhood afrayed knott preferred and afrayed knott chose the large neighbourhood
i think aristeia definitely chose ydrasse to go with her obviously
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hello!In post 1544, Dannflor wrote: I wanna know where fire is at after his top scumspect died-
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agreed and the development of it seems offIn post 1596, shiki wrote:has felt like you wanted to fold this hand for a while just can't figure out if because you were unsure or because position pretty doomed
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idk why you think i go out of my way to make myself look worse by saying that i would switch to ari, knowing that it is likely to happen, only to then announce that i have cold feet once it does happen and then encourage everyone to switch awayIn post 1613, Meuh wrote: Am I crazy or is that just partnered
like on the list of possible ways for me to play that situation, that response is so far down filed under "intentionally look scummy around a partner in the hopes that people later decide i wouldn't be that dumb" which is a path i very rarely attempt because it doesn't really work
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to be honest i think it was a little shortsighted of me/forgetting what setup we're playing in a wayIn post 1614, Meuh wrote:
The most substantial read here is a playstyle oriented thing that I'm not sure town Fire would be comfortable with throwing out there as the basis of a readIn post 1353, fireisredsir wrote: i think elements is just pushing wherever is convenient at the time i don't think they have real reads
and if their reads get called out as not making sense they just say "oh that was fake for a reaction test" and then make no indication that they actually cared about making reads off the reaction
idk where their scumread on me went it just disappeared when there wasn't pressure on me anymore. idk even where it came from in the first place
Townies are disjointed in their reads all the time, does this make Elements scum?
This feels shallow
bc like my reaction to dann's 1359 was to roll my eyes and be like "ok but we can't let them get away with it if they are scum"
but in hindsight yeah we could have bc the small hood was going to get resolved either way so they were either gonna get towncleared or limmed later. so, i probably should have discounted that aspect which was admittedly influencing my choice of where to vote, but i didn't really think about it rationally at the time
still though i think it's incredibly generous to refer to "they are blatantly fabricating their reads and don't appear to have real thoughts to support the directions they're moving" as "a playstyle oriented thing"
i thought elements' play was scummy. possibly town playing in a scummy way, but more likely just scum. and at the point where ari came back and did some really good posting it was enough to tip me over the edge towards thinking elements was more likely to be scum
and you agreed at the time (even agreeing that their thoughts were made up 1473) so i don't get your point here anyway. you didn't even really give reasoning when voting. why is mine too shallow?
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