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Korina Ask, prefers theyRecruiterAsk, prefers they
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Korina Ask, prefers theyRecruiterAsk, prefers they
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Last edited by Korina on Mon Jul 31, 2023 3:42 pm, edited 1 time in total.GTKAS:The most recent one and the only one that actually matters. | ROOMS HAVE AIR ~ Who | Not_Mafia did not submit a naive cop action. big mistake there tbh ~ xyzzy
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camelCasedSnivy he/himMafia Scumhe/him
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Korina Ask, prefers theyRecruiterAsk, prefers they
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CSF was a Universal Backup, and inherited Traffic Analyst from WhemeStarGTKAS:The most recent one and the only one that actually matters. | ROOMS HAVE AIR ~ Who | Not_Mafia did not submit a naive cop action. big mistake there tbh ~ xyzzy
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Rautherdir he/himMafia Scumhe/him
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Ooh, universal backup, that explains two TAs. Also, Ircher was originally scum, thus things ended earlier then expected cause there was overlap.Alt of Theta Alpine
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Rautherdir he/himMafia Scumhe/him
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Honestly, that could have been guessed from role name and flavor.Alt of Theta Alpine
"Night Kills are a form of cult cop"-
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Gg everyone & thanks Korina for the setup!
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That explained it, having 2 traffic analysts was weird asf.In post 3779, Korina wrote: CSF was a Universal Backup, and inherited Traffic Analyst from WhemeStar
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You forgot KKFC's PMIn post 3775, Korina wrote:Spoiler: rand img
Spoiler: camelCasedSnivy
Spoiler: Sample Mentee PM
Spoiler: Titus
Spoiler: biancospino PM
Spoiler: Kyoko Kirigiri PM
Spoiler: DragonEater70 PM
Spoiler: Abnegation PM
Spoiler: Aureal PM
Spoiler: Radical Rat PM
Spoiler: sheepsaysmeep
Spoiler: Flea The Magician PM
Spoiler: Morning Tweet
Spoiler: Enchant
Spoiler: Rautherdir
Spoiler: Doctor Drew
Spoiler: Merlyn PM
Spoiler: CSF PM NEW
Spoiler: Ranger PM
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Korina Ask, prefers theyRecruiterAsk, prefers they
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KKFC replaced EnchantGTKAS:The most recent one and the only one that actually matters. | ROOMS HAVE AIR ~ Who | Not_Mafia did not submit a naive cop action. big mistake there tbh ~ xyzzy
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Korina Ask, prefers theyRecruiterAsk, prefers they
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OH NOW I CAN FINALLY DISCUSS THIS:
Marshall came from my original homesite, ToS forum mafia. I modified the role a little bit, but Marshall from what I remember of ToSFM was a Rolestopper.
I wanted to include the name Marshall to cast some innate doubt on that slot by having it literally be the cult role from the first game, with a non-standard name.GTKAS:The most recent one and the only one that actually matters. | ROOMS HAVE AIR ~ Who | Not_Mafia did not submit a naive cop action. big mistake there tbh ~ xyzzy
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Korina Ask, prefers theyRecruiterAsk, prefers they
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This was actually one of the key factors of my design and something I want to explore more in-depth with future setups is including atypical/nonstandard scum factions, since the lovers filled the design space of a SK, without me actually including a SK.In post 3767, camelCasedSnivy wrote: there were 2.5 scumteams this gameGTKAS:The most recent one and the only one that actually matters. | ROOMS HAVE AIR ~ Who | Not_Mafia did not submit a naive cop action. big mistake there tbh ~ xyzzy
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Korina Ask, prefers theyRecruiterAsk, prefers they
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An unfortunate part of the setup was scum absolutely got steamrolled, but I genuinely think that was a byproduct of town having extremely solid play, (especially in the nightmare, like holy shit), and finding some unintentional things in the setup.GTKAS:The most recent one and the only one that actually matters. | ROOMS HAVE AIR ~ Who | Not_Mafia did not submit a naive cop action. big mistake there tbh ~ xyzzy
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Ircher He / Him / HisWhat A Grand IdeaHe / Him / His
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EBWOPIn post 3790, Ircher wrote: No redactions from me.-
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Rautherdir he/himMafia Scumhe/him
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We could have had a five or six person mason team potentially, since I think Flea would have been able to give mason inventions.Alt of Theta Alpine
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Ranger, why did you put me in the Nightmare?'dREW DID IT BETTER' - T-Bone
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You bastard.In post 3787, Korina wrote: I wanted to include the name Marshall to cast some innate doubt on that slot by having it literally be the cult role from the first game, with a non-standard name.-
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Korina Ask, prefers theyRecruiterAsk, prefers they
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Something else I can finally answer:
Why couldn’t I answer if masons could be culted? It opened more opportunities for CCS if I never confirmed it, and meant that I never explicitly had to answer anything about the cult, because with a cult, there are a lot of variations of cult leader I could be running. Also it’s really funny to watch people try to guess what I’d allow with a cult in my game LOL.GTKAS:The most recent one and the only one that actually matters. | ROOMS HAVE AIR ~ Who | Not_Mafia did not submit a naive cop action. big mistake there tbh ~ xyzzy
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Radical Rat They/ThemJack of All TradesThey/Them
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I totally get the frustration, but there was never any game throw potential. If the plan for him to eat the kill happened, the situation would have resolved itself, but even if that didn't happen, I was never going to let the mason claim last in the Nightmare, which I would have insisted I be present for.In post 3760, Aureal wrote:
Yeah I saw that and it made it click right away that she was a double traitor. I couldn't pin down the exact mechanics because Rat apparently thought it would be funny to go along with her and spend the week gaslighting me, their own damn teammate, even it's obviously a terrible idea to let some random person fakeclaim mason.In post 3714, usesPython wrote:
YOUUUUUUUIn post 3012, Abnegation wrote:
what would be really funny is if the mafia or the masons could recruit the wrong traitor by mistake, but that would break the game lol.In post 3010, usesPython wrote:
Jesus Christ Abnegation reads hella Traitor with her d1 postingIn post 3003, usesPython wrote: I should probably look into this but was Abne TRing Titus/Kirigiri during d1?
So I spent the entire damn week screaming both internally and to the apathetic dead thread, trying to work out exactly how Abnegation and Rat had been recruited to a scum team. Trying to figure just how bastardly the setup had to be for the mod to lie and say scum wouldn't be in a masonry when obviously they were, which maybe meant they were culted by DE70 but wouldn't explain why I got killed.
My best guess as far as game balance went was that Abnegation didn't know she was double traitor at first until a mason died, at which point if recruited by both Mafia and mason she corrupted the remaining mason and they both joined the Mafia. And it was just a huge coincidence that she was doing all that traitor signaling to Mafia that you saw and that I died despite there being no reason for me to be targeted.
So my best guess for what was actually going on was that she was Mafia aligned the whole time, and the mod was being quite bastard with the setup and denying it. A bastard game being bastard made more sense than Rat apparently deciding to potentially game throw by allowing a fake mason claim for the lulz.
I was on vacation last week
THIS REALLY MESSED ME UP
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Radical Rat They/ThemJack of All TradesThey/Them
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This amuses me because I played Town of Salem a ton before discovering Forum Mafia, but never actually played on the Town of Salem ForumsIn post 3787, Korina wrote: OH NOW I CAN FINALLY DISCUSS THIS:
Marshall came from my original homesite, ToS forum mafia. I modified the role a little bit, but Marshall from what I remember of ToSFM was a Rolestopper.
I wanted to include the name Marshall to cast some innate doubt on that slot by having it literally be the cult role from the first game, with a non-standard name.-
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didn't even matter in the endIn post 3795, Korina wrote: Something else I can finally answer:
Why couldn’t I answer if masons could be culted? It opened more opportunities for CCS if I never confirmed it, and meant that I never explicitly had to answer anything about the cult, because with a cult, there are a lot of variations of cult leader I could be running. Also it’s really funny to watch people try to guess what I’d allow with a cult in my game LOL.master at being scum(my)
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