[Fortress Sanctuary] Weird Dreams Mafia

[Radical Rat]

BTW I noticed that the liminal space last game gets a factional kill when they have a recruit. So that's also something to consider, I didn't realize it would be able to do something other than recruit.

Yeah, we should be finding out if they recruited successfully tonight.

Assuming it works the same way that is.

[Radical Rat]

@Mod: If one of us were to get Treestumped, would we have PT access again, or only main thread access?

[Aureal]

Or maybe Ranger will just notice that KKFC's mutual townread analysis had us three grouped together and realize what that means

or notice my obvious softing.
"WhAt If YoU tWo ArE sCuMpArTnErS???"

Hahaha yeah it's going to be pretty easy for someone who wants to investigate the matter to link us together. If that doesn't seem to be happening, maybe scum really just is the more disengaged players...

[Abnegation]

Or y'know. Literally claiming mason first page. Sure it was scum mason, but we caught it.

I wonder if she thinks you're the wrong Traitor?

i specifically went with scum mason because traitor is traditionally a scum role.

[Abnegation]

if she thinks i'm her traitor, that's bad because i probably die.
wouldn't i have died last night though?
or would killing python have been more of a priority?

[Abnegation]

Or maybe Ranger will just notice that KKFC's mutual townread analysis had us three grouped together and realize what that means

or notice my obvious softing.
"WhAt If YoU tWo ArE sCuMpArTnErS???"

Hahaha yeah it's going to be pretty easy for someone who wants to investigate the matter to link us together. If that doesn't seem to be happening, maybe scum really just is the more disengaged players...

i kind of regret all the obvious softing because it puts a target on my back, but i knew you guys only had two shots so i figured i had to make things pretty clear.

[Aureal]

So there actually might only be one Mafia left now, plus a traitor who may or may not count? 3+1 plus a cult that gains NK with a recruit seems like about the right amount for a 19p?

[Abnegation]

idk anything about game balance but that sounds about right.

[Radical Rat]

if she thinks i'm her traitor, that's bad because i probably die.
wouldn't i have died last night though?
or would killing python have been more of a priority?

I mean I don't think she thinks you're HER traitor, because she's basically already given herself an expiration date if she's scum.

But she could think you're a Mafia Traitor now that we have strong reason to suspect one exists. It'll sort itself out though, you should be like fourth in line for night kills.

[Radical Rat]

So there actually might only be one Mafia left now, plus a traitor who may or may not count? 3+1 plus a cult that gains NK with a recruit seems like about the right amount for a 19p?

I'd agree with this.

[Abnegation]

i don't think ranger is maf so idk what i was talking about there lol.

[Korina]

@Mod: If one of us were to get Treestumped, would we have PT access again, or only main thread access?

Yes, PT access.

[Radical Rat]

So, give sheep a Cop, then go for vig tomorrow with a small group's the plan, yeah?

[Abnegation]

i support that. if you're going to explain the plan in the nightmare, i'll wait to vote.

[Abnegation]

i'm just asking you questions in there (as opposed to in here) so i don't look like an obvious partner.

[Abnegation]

what actually is the plan if one of you/python/ranger dies tonight?

[Radical Rat]

Plug the hole with sheep probably? Use FN instead? If I die, Aureal should probably claim since she can confirm herself without needing both of you to reveal, then go from there I guess

[Aureal]

Uh, sheep's already in that group of five? If you get killed I guess I can try to get more pushy about being in the nightmare and claim if need be to be the fifth there. If one of the others dies, maybe you guys can be more pushy about it to get me in? Say it offers possibly useful information to rotate different people besides the towncore in at times or something? There's no need for Ranger to always get her way in leaving me out, she already did the claim thing.

[Aureal]

If sheep's getting the cop, I guess I should use my other doc shot on him here.

Sad thing is though, we can't really get any info from lack of kills.

[Abnegation]

If sheep's getting the cop, I guess I should use my other doc shot on him here.

Sad thing is though, we can't really get any info from lack of kills.

the scum have 2 nights to kill him though, if they’re even in the nightmare. i feel like the info might be more valuable because of that. you could always hold onto the shot.

[Radical Rat]

I'd suggest saving the Doc for tomorrow night, when he'd be sending the result through.

[Aureal]

Didn't you just suggest we could tree stump him if he gets killed the second night? Dunno if he'd have results or not, I think some mods give results to players who are getting killed the same night and some don't.

[Radical Rat]

We could, but it requires nine people to do, and also delays other awards by a day, so I'd personally rather he just lives long enough to share the result.

It's your call though if you think it's likely he gets targeted tonight, go for it

[Aureal]

I'm browsing roles and found augmentor which seems likely to be Python's role, if what they're saying about Drew protecting two targets is true. I'm trying to wrap my head around this. I don't think Python is clear of being Mafia for being the NK target (I can't see that conversation, can you look back at it, might've just been about Python giving the augment and not Drew deciding to target Python?). But I'm not sure why Python tells everyone that Drew targeted two people after Ranger cleared Python due to thinking Drew protected them.

Okay, well, I guess I can think of why- they feel strongly positioned enough and don't want to be tooooo cleared or else people will wonder why they haven't been killed. Or will actually be killed by opposing scum (could still happen if they're Mafia and cult gains a NK like last game).

I'm still just really sus of the way Python handled KK. I mean really, asking "1 or 3+?" And KK responds in under 4 minutes. It took me a lot longer than 4 minutes to figure out what Python's implied question was! (okay, I'm probably biased by knowing what it was supposed to be) And the question's suggested answers don't even match up with the actual question, which was supposed to be number of partners. 1 obviously makes no sense as a number of mason partners. It makes me feel like Python was trying to lead her to answers that would make her look like a fresh mason in a game with no other masons. KK posting without following the instructions about pictures there could have several different meanings. She could've posted in thread without checking mason chat to see she was supposed to do something, or she could've had mason partners who weren't in the nightmare and had no idea to tell her to say anything, in addition to her just being alone, or being scum faking it. Python going right to that question makes it feel like they knew it wasn't the first two. On top of obliviously forcing Rat to clearly claim.

[Aureal]

Anyway, what I actually started looking at roles for was trying to figure out ways the rolecop could've gone to Rat instead. And apparently there's quite a few.

• Redirector targeted Abnegation. Do they choose the target to redirect to? I'm assuming so,
  and the choice of Rat seems more likely scum-motivated, since it feels like only a protective action would be useful there. Apparently redirecting onto confirmed town is common scum strategy. This wouldn't say anything about Ircher's alignment.
  Wait I forgot Rat claimed Miller, lol. I suppose it's possible scum would forget too, but doesn't seem nearly as likely since they wouldn't know it wasn't true. This could still be scum hoping Abnegation is an investigative and directing her at Rat to make the investigation useless though, and maybe even a fake guilty on whoever she targeted depending on how the results are given ("A Horrible Dream" as a cop result seems likely rather than "Radical Rat is A Horrible Dream" and would make her think Ircher is scum when he's not- or at least not redirector's team- and that's really bad for town). So yeah, redirector probably scum and Ircher not their team.
  
• Deflector targeted Ircher. Self-deflection might be possible? Still seems scum-motivated. Does town normally just use these abilities on night one at random? Who the hell would deflector Ircher other than Ircher or buddy? This seems to indicate Ircher would be scum.
  
• Bus Driver swapped Rat and Ircher.
  This doesn't seem to indicate much about the user's alignment or Ircher's.
  Town might think Rat was town and at risk of being killed and try to target Ircher with the NK instead.
  Scum might be using it as a redirect to have investigatives look at Rat instead of Ircher.
  Darnit, Rat! Okay a possible Bus Driver is probably town trying to protect Rat then.
  
• Banker with town rolecop in the setup makes my head hurt. I feel like that's not going to be a thing.
  
• Interceptor would mean Ircher has this role and targeted Abnegation with it. Seems like it'd probably be a town role, but also doesn't seem likely to be what's going on.
  
• Lightning Rod obviously not in play since Rat's vig went through properly.
  
• Nexus is possible and says nothing about anything other than that Ircher is a Nexus.
  
• Paladin would be Ircher targeting Rat which probably makes Ircher town trying to take NK? If he's somehow checked out enough of the game to know Rat is a likely NK target, which seems a little dubious.
  
• Sidekick (decoy) seems even more unlikely, can't think of why Ircher would try to redirect non-kill actions on Rat to himself. I think my brain might be melting though, this role just seems negative utility?

Oh Python could be a Motivator too I guess.