Mini 653 - Family Guy Mafia - Game over

[farside22]

Peter (when he's hungover): This sucks worse than that time I went to that museum. (Flashback to childhood, standing in museum looking at dinosaur
skeltons.)
Peter (as a child): Why did all the dinosaurs die out?
Man at Museum: Because you touch yourself at night.

vote count:

ghostWriter 1 vote (RestFermata)
goborage 1 vote (LlamaFluff)
LlamaFluff 2 vote (kloud1516, Xtoxm)
Inspector Godot 1 vote: (thinktank)
Xtoxm 2 vote: (kmd4390, Crub)
kmd4390 1 vote: (goborage)
RestFermata 2 votes: (GhostWriter, dalt54321)
thinktank 1 vote: (babygirl86)
Kloud1516 1 vote: (Inspector Godot)

Not voting:

With 12 people it take 7 votes for lynch
Day 1 ends August 25th, 4:00pm PST

[Kmd4390]

Ok, I've missed some things.

Cleveland claim: Even if it was a real character claim (he says it isn't), character doesn't mean anything as far as alignment. I don't know if anyone here has seen the movie Dogma, but I played a game based on it where Loki (seemingly scum) was our cop. Also, breadcrumbs can be used for a potential fake claim later. Claiming a character who you would think is town doesn not make you a townie.

Llama's claim: I'm not sure why you claimed so early but I do believe the claim. The vote count may be misleading. The mod said this. That seems to back your claim. Some one asked what character this may be. It doesn't help our game much to speculate on this but it makes it more fun. I think Meg could have a role like this. No one listens to anything she says so maybe her vote doesn't count.

[RestFermata]

I don't have any problem with Llama's early admission of a voting restriction. Like he said, it would have been clear something was amiss at the first VC. He was just getting it out of the way.

[LlamaFluff]

If you are town, you have just told the scum that you are a voteless townie, and that they don't want to touch you at night. The optimal strategy of a voteless townie is to keep trying and try to attract the NK.

So, if you are town, you have been careless.

Why did you claim?

First off, why does careless = scum? I am playing the way that I think is best to play with a detremental vote restriction, which is to put it out there right away.

I claimed so people know that something is wrong with my vote. There is nothing wrong with that to me, its like claiming miller. A headsup to the town that later on in the day my role might start causing problems for the town. I really dont see what is wrong with what I did, you only seem to criticize me because it leads to a lower chance of me getting NKed, which again will hurt the town because...?

One thing that we need to realize about role claiming is the mod will very very likely not make it so scum loses in a character claim. This would be a poor move on their side and I dont see farside doing this. I am sure if you think of every character and episode you can connect them as scum somehow. This is why character claiming and speculation is bad, it will simply lead to cases that are built on who the player is and not what they have been doing, which is easily exploited by scum.

[Xtoxm]

I did not say careless = scum, I say if you were town, you had been careless.

Well, scum knowing you can't vote is very bad, be you town.

Consider this: 8 players alive, 3 scum, 5 townies, you are one of them. Town cannot lynch scum. Scum have won by this point.

So even if you are telling the truth, you are still useful to get rid off, anf lyncing will be the only way, as you have such an anti-town role. And, we might get scum.

[Kmd4390]

So voteless roles get us closer to LYLO.

So does a mislynch.

It is not a good lynch unless you really think that llama is scum.

[LlamaFluff]

So voteless roles get us closer to LYLO.

So does a mislynch.

It is not a good lynch unless you really think that llama is scum.

QFT

So even if you are telling the truth, you are still useful to get rid off, anf lyncing will be the only way, as you have such an anti-town role. And, we might get scum.

This is a very anti-town mindset

unvote
vote xtoxm

[Kmd4390]

What does QFT mean?

[kloud1516]

So voteless roles get us closer to LYLO.

So does a mislynch.

It is not a good lynch unless you really think that llama is scum.

QFT

So even if you are telling the truth, you are still useful to get rid off, anf lyncing will be the only way, as you have such an anti-town role. And, we might get scum.

This is a very anti-town mindset

unvote
vote xtoxm

QFT. I am not liking xtoxm's reasoning either, and I feel that LF justified himself logically with his post 53. As Kmd said, mislynches will be just as detrimental to town as voteless roles, and so will reasoning like that which you have expressed above.

unvote. vote: xtoxm

[kloud1516]

What does QFT mean?

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[dalt54321]

So voteless roles get us closer to LYLO.

So does a mislynch.

It is not a good lynch unless you really think that llama is scum.

QFT

So even if you are telling the truth, you are still useful to get rid off, anf lyncing will be the only way, as you have such an anti-town role. And, we might get scum.

This is a very anti-town mindset

unvote
vote xtoxm

QFT. I am not liking xtoxm's reasoning either, and I feel that LF justified himself logically with his post 53. As Kmd said, mislynches will be just as detrimental to town as voteless roles, and so will reasoning like that which you have expressed above.

unvote. vote: xtoxm

unvote

vote xtoxm

[babygirl86]

woa guys its still early in day 1 and xtoxm is already at l-2? I'm not sure bout that- we've barely had time to gather any info at all.

[LlamaFluff]

woa guys its still early in day 1 and xtoxm is already at l-2? I'm not sure bout that- we've barely had time to gather any info at all.

Well my vote doesnt count remember that is a little fast though. I think that might change though when Crub who random voted him checks in next. Right now I am happy with my "vote" though

However, you just are commenting on the ammount of votes and not what you think of him. What are your thoughts on the happenings, not the ammount of votes people have.

[RestFermata]

I personally think Xtoxm looks to have an overly gung-ho, possibly scummy attitude about LlamaFluff's "disposability." Xtoxm has no idea about Llama's role other than the voting restriction, and yet calls him out as a "safe lynch." He says that Llama has an anti-town role. You know what is REALLY anti-town? Suggesting that the town, whose main advantage in the game of mafia is the opportunity to lynch scum every day, waive that privilege and lynch someone just for having a voting restriction. And they "might catch scum!"

Forget scumhunting, forget looking for tells, let's just go for random chance! That always works!

I'm not going to vote for Xtoxm because I don't want him at L-1 right now. But I'd like to hear him talk more about this tactic of his. I'd like to hear him explain how it's not a huge mistake.

[Crub]

Ooops I didn't subscribe to this thread

unvote

Are you guys serious?

[Inspector Godot]

Unvote, Vote Dalt

Seemed like a very sneaky attempt at trying to get more people on Xtoxm's bandwagon.

[babygirl86]

Here's my thoughts on the situation. Although I hate the idea of claiming day one, in this case I find it somewhat helpful- at least we know now that there are restrictions and to expect the unexpected so to speak. As for xtoxm's attacking LF, I don't find it scummy but I don't like it. I haven't played in any games with him(I don't think) so I don't really know his playstyle- maybe he can just be overly aggressive. I definately don't like the idea of lynching someone just because their vote doesn't count- if LF has a good idea of who is scum, he still has the capability of trying to influence other players to see someone's scumminess- sort of like the bandwagon on xtoxm now.

[Kmd4390]

I don't think llama influenced that bandwagon. His "vote" isn't even on xtoxm.

[babygirl86]

see post 56

[Kmd4390]

Ok, he changed his vote and 2 votes followed.

I see your point.

[LlamaFluff]

unvote

Are you guys serious?

So who is scummier then xtoxm right now?

Unvote, Vote Dalt

Seemed like a very sneaky attempt at trying to get more people on Xtoxm's bandwagon.

Is this you saying you dont agree with the wagon? If not why?

[Inspector Godot]

Is this you saying you dont agree with the wagon? If not why?

No, I don't support the wagon. It's rolling too fast and I kind of agree with xtoxm's point. Not saying I think you're scummy or that you are best candidate for a lynch, but your claim is pretty bad in a LYLO situation.

[LlamaFluff]

Is this you saying you dont agree with the wagon? If not why?

No, I don't support the wagon. It's rolling too fast and I kind of agree with xtoxm's point. Not saying I think you're scummy or that you are best candidate for a lynch, but your claim is pretty bad in a LYLO situation.

So who is scummy then? You are just shooting down all different suspects without giving us any of your own here.

[farside22]

LlamaFluff informed me he will be on V/LA for about 3 days. This is fine. I will not replace anyone who informs me of time off unless the time off is excessive. Also be aware of Rule 10 when it comes to not only prodding, but posting context. Thank you.

[Xtoxm]

Ok, well I don't like Dalt's wagoning at all.

My point about LF is that he is either an anti-town role, or full blown scum. If he was 100% cleared then I wouldn't want him lynched, but he can be scum. So I think this makes him a very good day one lynch. I did not say I think LF is town, but I want him lynched anyway. I've found his claim to be quite scummy, actually.