Mini Normal 2294: Monkey Business (Endgame)

[Ausuka]

VOTE: Nono

[Ausuka]

I think it is better for gimli to respond before I do.

[Ausuka]

I think it is better for gimli to respond before I do.

Are you ever going to respond then? Maybe you will. Please tell us more about the Nono vote when you are able?

Maybe! I am slippery. Like an eel.

The nono vote was because the "vague townclaim" thing felt bad.

[Ausuka]

Wait which game are you referring to

I thought I knew who you were but I don't remember playing against you as scum

[Ausuka]

youre all townies

scum in the nonposters

You sense innocence of seven at start? Not possible. Says wolves are in Dionysus, Comus, nepenthe, Enchant and Ausuka. From what I know no one can be this good on start of first day in these things; not something I ever encountered. Is Gimli joking? Or serious when saying this? Can't be serious this must be a joke.

Dionysus, nepenthe, Enchant, Ausuka, do you all agree with me? Seven people cleared, how do you feel about this? Please share. It must be a reach. Nono, are you village? If you are village what you think about what Gimli said?


(Ah! Nepenthe is a word??? A drug of forgetfulness! Thank you for teaching me )

I think it's a massive reach but I'm pretty sure some people just play this phase like that so I am not taking it as scummy aorn.

[Ausuka]

Yeah that was someone else

[Ausuka]

... sometimes I genuinely wonder how other people see the world. Seeing other people react to me joking around as if that's scum.

I'll put Comus under scummy for now for literally acting like a predator and immediately jumping to get all the focus on me for presumably a future mis elim. Gimli can stay neutral for now.

Why do you think Comus isn't just aggressive town? Why do you think his posts so far have specifically been about getting all the focus on you?

[Ausuka]

No time for joking. One would say there is no time for any Monkey Business.

Sir you have signed up for the wrong game. We are monkey enthusiasts in this establishment

[Ausuka]

... sometimes I genuinely wonder how other people see the world. Seeing other people react to me joking around as if that's scum.

I'll put Comus under scummy for now for literally acting like a predator and immediately jumping to get all the focus on me for presumably a future mis elim. Gimli can stay neutral for now.

Why do you think Comus isn't just aggressive town? Why do you think his posts so far have specifically been about getting all the focus on you?

Honestly scum continuously always try and get my aggressive/joking style seen as scum first things first and don't like to RVS as much IME. Gimli pointing it out as a townie mindset just made me want to counter that immediately.

Edit: LET ME POST DANG IT

I mean, I definitely don't agree with you but I can accept that as a stylistic thing. I just really struggle to see "immediately jumping to get all the attention on me" as a legitimate thought process when Comus has like been over analysing anything and everything, and most of his posts weren't even about you. It looks like a massive twist of what actually happened.

VOTE: Elsa

[Ausuka]

Pre-emptive strike to not let Comus use an alt slip as literally anything. It just seems scummy to do. Setting a precedent that I'm afraid of MG via meta that Comus doesn't even know is also a big reach.

I see no issues here Ausuka.

I mean of course it's a big reach. But like, all of his posting is that. His style is clearly just overthinky and he posted plenty of other posts analysing things in depth on page 2. You're insinuating this is like, part of a plan to set you up for an elimination specifically but not accounting for the context of his other posts at all which I feel is disingenuous

[Ausuka]

What even is this D1?

Do you have any reads?

[Ausuka]

The fight over gera thinking comus is bad or whatever isn't particularly interesting, but writing it off as all three of them being town seems like it's handing out townreads really easily. Can you explain why you think that way gimli?

[Ausuka]

I mean, any reasoning beyond being antagonistic, which like, I think that is something scum do pretty often

[Ausuka]

to agree with earlier poster (name forgotten)

wow ok

[Ausuka]

I mean, any reasoning beyond being antagonistic, which like, I think that is something scum do pretty often

I felt the upset tone to be legitimate and unlikely to come from scum posturing

but its early i could be wrong

They are experienced player, so faking strong emotion shouldn’t be that tough +

Nono

's 162 is to the point on this matter.

VOTE: Nono

Can you please explain this vote or any other scumreads you have

[Ausuka]

I mean, any reasoning beyond being antagonistic, which like, I think that is something scum do pretty often

I felt the upset tone to be legitimate and unlikely to come from scum posturing

but its early i could be wrong

They are experienced player, so faking strong emotion shouldn’t be that tough +

Nono

's 162 is to the point on this matter.

I don't think the emotion came off as particularly difficult to fake or whatever, honestly, although it's not like I can just yell at Gimli that his interpretation is wrong and expect that to go anywhere

[Ausuka]

Also I think this is closer to town enchant than scum enchant in terms of meta tbh and don't really get the feeling his posting is forced or worse than usual.

[Ausuka]

k

[Ausuka]

I was assuming you were being glib

Is that like a sincere suggestion

[Ausuka]

Shrug I mean if you like to PoE people that's fine but I'm not going along with locking anyone as town on page 8

[Ausuka]

What do you think about other folks other than the Comus-Elsa-geraintm?

P-Edit: @Ausuka

It's a rather broad question? I don't trust Gimli nearly as much as you seem to, and Dionysus and Kawaiikame seem, like, not great so far

[Ausuka]

I am asking for your opinion of 10 people so far lol.

Ok well give me your in depth readslist and I'll follow up with one too lol ^.^

ngl Dionysus I stopped paying attention because so far he looks like someone who’d flake. Kawaii I’m kinda watching. What stops you from townreading Gimli?

Gimli has been handing out townreads more easily than I would like, and I haven't seen anything from him I think is particularly town indicative. His tone is fairly good which is probably why people are townreading him but I think that's really easily fakeable for a player of his level

[Ausuka]

Ok well give me your in depth readslist and I'll follow up with one too lol ^.^

Oh I was asking for something like general vibe of things. I don’t ask people to do things that I myself don’t want to do (e.g. in depth readlist).

Also re:Gimli, I see that kind of thing as town thing because if scum starts throwing random townreads too quickly, they’ll have trouble backtracking later in the game. I think if people are competent, they know that as well.

Shrug I mean I think I gave that, it's not like I have a read on everyone yet

I don't really agree with the idea that it will be difficult for scum to push people they started townreading at this stage of the game

[Ausuka]

Everyone, is the way Gimli and Elsa are acting normal?

It depends what you mean? I don't townread either of them, but that's for reasons independent of their style. On a surface level, the way Elsa and Gimli are playing isn't massively different from my past experiences with them.

[Ausuka]

Everyone, is the way Gimli and Elsa are acting normal?

It depends what you mean? I don't townread either of them, but that's for reasons independent of their style. On a surface level, the way Elsa and Gimli are playing isn't massively different from my past experiences with them.

I think the post I made to KawaiiKame outlined most of what I'm thinking about. My Gimli votes says more than words.

I mean, I don't think Elsa's way of playing around you is normal obviously, I am voting for him, but the stuff you wrote about Gimli seems pretty standard fare. won't try and explain for him because he should answer for himself but I don't think it's that unusual.

[Ausuka]

hi guys, catching up on (twelve???) pages but if one person can give me a good reason to townread them while i review, i'll trust you 4L.

I'm a frog

[Ausuka]

No one is scumreading me yet. Why aren't I getting scumreads? I've hardly done anything to solve the game. Shouldn't someone be picking on me already?

Don't worry I'm sure if you keep doing nothing people will decide to kick you out at some point!

[Ausuka]

Honestly Kawaii you give me mediating PR townie who's trying to see who to investigate. I'd probably shoot you if I was scum here but that's just me. Voting you seems stupid.

Please be implicit if you feel this way, don't be explicit

this is cute and over the top read from elsa. idk if she says that about a townie when she is mafia? and idk if she interacts like this with a partner. so maybe elsa is town after all.

I am very surprised that you don't have any thoughts about Elsa's progression on you?

[Ausuka]

idk what else is there in her progression of me that's interesting but if you point at it I can check it out

I mean, maybe it doesn't apply to everyone, but I think a large majority of people are more sensitive to when people are talking about them?

In any case I feel kind of doubtful about her progression on you because like... The focus on you voting someone without giving much of an explanation felt like it would make sense coming from someone like Comus, but Elsa really doesn't seem like the type. I find it very difficult to thread the needle between the actions of just announcing in the thread who you think might be a PR, and then suspecting someone for not playing according to mafia orthodoxy. Like, I don't think people making votes without giving a reason right away is particularly unusual?

I also think the Kawaii read is kinda mainly because like, I think mediating is something that's really easy for scum to do and the post seemed like TMI to me.

[Ausuka]

The townread on Kawaii is just baffling to me because I'm pretty sure Kawaii has taken a stance on something once in 35 posts this game, and they backtracked on that a few posts later.

I mean, they are new and all and I could understand nullreading them for now, okay. I think the behaviour is disproportionately likely to come from scum but it's absolutely something town are capable of. But like, going out there and saying, yes, Kawaii is town, just feels baffling to me.

(also kawaii you don't have pronouns listed yet as far as i can see so i'm just defaulting to they/them, i hope that's alright)

[Ausuka]

The townread on Kawaii is just baffling to me because I'm pretty sure Kawaii has taken a stance on something once in 35 posts this game, and they backtracked on that a few posts later.

I mean, they are new and all and I could understand nullreading them for now, okay. I think the behaviour is disproportionately likely to come from scum but it's absolutely something town are capable of. But like, going out there and saying, yes, Kawaii is town, just feels baffling to me.

(also kawaii you don't have pronouns listed yet as far as i can see so i'm just defaulting to they/them, i hope that's alright)

Elsa seemed to be village reading Enchant based on comments regarding Salsabil's reads. Gimli also backtracked on Enchant, agreeing with them that Kawaii seems bad. Then Gimli backtracks on Kawaii, agreeing with Elsa that Kawaii is a village powered role. Do you think I should read into that?

I thought gimli was calling elsa a town pr?

[Ausuka]

I ISO'd elsa and think she is very town. you're focused on the wrong things imo which is why I'm having a hard time talking it out with you two.

now comus will never let that associative read go but that's how I feel about elsa rn.

Ok well what should I be focused on instead and why is what I'm talking about wrong?

[Ausuka]

I mean gimli said it was a joke so now I'm just confused lmao

[Ausuka]

Ok well if the scumteam is enchant and dionysus and kokichi, that's great, yay for us. I am going to operate under the assumption for now that at least one member of the scumteam is currently playing the game

I just fundamentally disagree with the logic that being involved in the game should make someone a townread and i don't think elsa's content has been particularly towny. I don't think trying to look at people's given thoughts and see if they come from a town mindset is a waste or 'picking' things at all.

[Ausuka]

whatever, we might just have to agree to disagree here. we can return to this later but i am aware that some people do townread effort

[Ausuka]

The wagon is at E3 and we have a week left why are people acting like we are imminently going to murder elsa

[Ausuka]

I'm in london today and I only have mobile but when i get home i will do the readslist thing

[Ausuka]

Also there probably is indeed scum in the lurkers but I don't understand why we care right now. Like we will probably end up dogpiling kokichi or something at the day end but right now maybe we should try and play with the people we actually have?

Like to me there is barely anything to distinguish between a lot of these people who don't post

Pedit: Gera has been going on about how much he hates day 1 the entire game, questioning him on it is fine but the Elsa wagon is not like about to reach its destination or whatever

[Ausuka]

I guess kokichi is slightly worse because he makes some posts and they are useless as opposed to not posting at all but like the smug thing is just some alt gimmick which I don't care about

[Ausuka]

k

[Ausuka]

I can't believe you're PICKING my words like this why don't you look at me posting things and advancing the game which makes me automatically town

[Ausuka]

I'm tossing that TR I had on ausuka

I feel like the focus on kokichi is bad amongst the lurkers since dio and enchant are scummier

Lmfao

VOTE: Gimli

I'm sorry there is no fucking way this is a real read

[Ausuka]

I can't believe you're PICKING my words like this why don't you look at me posting things and advancing the game which makes me automatically town

What game advancing posts make you automatically town? I see you as town, but automatic?

Gimli earlier was refuting my read on Elsa by saying that I shouldn't pick on things he said because he was posting game advancing content

[Ausuka]

I can't see the thing with me thinking kokichi might be scum being scummy as a real read? Like I think it's just plainly full of shit

[Ausuka]

I can't see the thing with me thinking kokichi might be scum being scummy as a real read? Like I think it's just plainly full of shit

I feel kokichi might be scum being scummy too, it's why I voted kokichi

Shrug I mean apparently that makes you scum too ^.^

[Ausuka]

Please link me to where I said kokichi was scum for roleplaying thx

[Ausuka]

Or maybe it's the posting no actual content that is the roleplaying? Am I meant to think that's not scum indicative but some newbie who posted like one time and then dipped is definitely scum, and I should be voting for them and if I don't I'm scum

[Ausuka]

I guess kokichi is slightly worse because he makes some posts and they are useless as opposed to not posting at all but like the smug thing is just some alt gimmick which I don't care about

I literally said I don't care about the alt gimmick wtf lmao

[Ausuka]

I think gimli realised he was probably not going to get anywhere in the long run by just having his scumreads be all the lurkers so he tried to do a difficult push but botched it

[Ausuka]

I can't scumlean someone for making only useless posts because actually he's roleplaying by not playing the game. Galaxy brain take

[Ausuka]

I can't scumlean someone for making only useless posts because actually he's roleplaying by not playing the game. Galaxy brain take

you either dont care for them

or you think he is worse for them

youre trying to have your cake and eat it too

You are tying together two separate things and then calling me scum for treating me differently

There is a really obvious distinction between roleplaying and literally only roleplaying and not posting anything of value and I do not buy that you don't realise this

[Ausuka]

Sadly I have to do real life things now, will be back to argue later

[Ausuka]

Oma-Sama plz. Grace the mortals with your knowledge of the scum team. You clearly stole the information while the Mod wasn't looking. At least one of them for now, please.

Simple. I put into the air that I wasn't doing anything. So the first person to put my name into a list when talking to someone else, is scum trying to include me in a group. Scumreading directly with that post is different since it's more direct, but doing so without is suspect.

I don't think it needed putting in the air

[Ausuka]

I guess kokichi is slightly worse because he makes some posts and they are useless as opposed to not posting at all but like the smug thing is just some alt gimmick which I don't care about

also there's no way this is a real scumhunting post

I'm tossing that TR I had on ausuka

I feel like the focus on kokichi is bad amongst the lurkers since dio and enchant are scummier

Lmfao

VOTE: Gimli

I'm sorry there is no fucking way this is a real read

Weird post reaction imo. Kinda using what he said against you back at him for a reason to vote at him. Why would you get so upset at him when he was throwing away his townread of you, if you thought it was a possibility he's scum?

I don't think I was particularly upset at him and I have had gimli below null the entire game

That being said having read up it's pretty obvious that you are deciding my posts are scum before you read them regardless of alignment so shrug

[Ausuka]

Gimli vs Ausuka literally boils down their personal opinion to “is E-3 at third day fast and dangerous.”

And then the whole Kokichi argument is “What’s the better vote: Kokichi or single-digit posters”

My argument is that gimli scumreading me for having slightly different views was total bs, probably caused by the fact his current readslist was just that scum was probably in people lurking and he needed an actual push, and I stand by that

I could be convinced otherwise but not by simply calling it garbage

[Ausuka]

It genuinely baffles me how anyone could read that post and think I was talking about Kokichi? Like what would the scum motivation for that even be

[Ausuka]

ok the promised readslist

Comus - I have liked most of his pushes and content at least a little and have found nothing about him scummy. also I just generally lack townreads
Magical girl - I don't think anything she has posted is like that difficult for an experienced player to fake, but very little would be at this stage of the game and there isn't anything i find particularly suspicious, so shrug
Enchant - feels more like town enchant than scum enchant imo and probably isn't scum if Gimli is scum which I think is likely. Enchant will be Enchant
Elsa jay - Obviously I didn't like her early game very much but none of it is like smoking gun stuff. I think the way gimli interacted with her wagon is very rarely s/s (the blase read feels much much more like TMI than a read scum partner would make) and if gimli is town I think she is unlikely to keep putting me as a townread and *not* take advantage in some way of the situation. This read is admittedly pretty volatile rn but shrug
Geraintm - I mean most of his posts are just that he hates d1 and he isn't doing a lot at the moment frankly? Which like, I doubt it's something he's lying about but it's annoying to try and read
Kawaiikame - I was not particularly a fan of their early posts because they were mostly, like, extremely hedgey and weren't really committing to opoinions of things. Their posting has definitely improved in the sense that they have opinions, and feels not too agenda-y, but I'm still a little wary of stuff like 373 which pushes kokichi and then in the same line goes "idek" - it could just be a stylistic thing I guess.
Kokichi - Kokichi's posts so far have been either empty or annoying. I think the 'gambit' stuff is nonsense, obviously (is pointing out that you're doing nothing supposed to change the fact you're doing nothing lmao) but sometimes town players are just like that I guess? It's the brand of obvious nonsense that I think scum is not particularly likely to be into as opposed to just like playing the game normally. I said he is deciding to scumread my posts before reading them and the main reason I think that is 442 which shows a clear lack of any actual reading comprehension or interest in my posting.

This is what I said; "Or maybe it's the posting no actual content that is the roleplaying? Am I meant to think that's not scum indicative but some newbie who posted like one time and then dipped is definitely scum, and I should be voting for them and if I don't I'm scum"

Again, I am genuinely baffled at the conclusion that I am talking about Kokichi here. Obviously, Kokichi is not a newbie. He also did not post one time. I am also not being told by Gimli that I should be scumreading Kokichi here; this is, in fact, the total opposite of what is happening. The only possible way anyone could interpret this in the way he did in my eyes is that he wasn't really reading my posts and just wanted to class all my posts as scummy or 'WEAK DEFENSE' from the start, which also makes sense considering how many of my posts he called scummy in this timeframe. He actually brought this up *again* in 446 as the best reason to scumread me to MG, but when I pointed out that I was not in fact talking about him here he actually just did not care at all.

Regardless of his alignment he is going to push me here because I fell for his gambit of doing nothing by saying he was doing nothing. Honestly, I think this behaviour is totally nonsensical from either town or scum so I'm not really sure what to make of it but honestly I will be happy to vote for him if that's something which is happening and if he flips town I think the game is still probably better off.

Gimli - I think I've been pretty clear about this but I'll repeat it. Throughout the early game Gimli gave townreads out really easily to anyone who was actually posting and eventually reached a stage where all his scumreads were just people who weren't posting at all. His response to the Elsa wagon was telling me to stop 'picking at things' because Elsa posted things which were game advancing, which I don't think makes any sense or, in hindsight, matches with the rest of his play in this game that well - look at post 396 like he obviously just does not believe that. It seems fairly likely this was a TMI read and he felt maybe a little bit too comfortable about giving justification for townreading a town player. He was townreading me throughout the early game but eventually turned on me when I did not return the favour.

Obviously, I do not feel like this pivot makes sense at all. First of all, apparently it was disingenuous to say the day was very unlikely to end soon.

Intent to kill, Elsa's been pursued all game and I perceived Elsa's elimination being close, I didn't know it was E3 felt like the day was going to end soon

I think this post shows that my reading was actually just correct and Kawaii made this post *before* gimli made his push.

His other point was that saying Kokichi was scummier than other lurkers is somehow scummy and his *only justification* for this was just trying to justify Kokichi not being scummy rather than actually focusing on me and why it is unbelievable for me to believe that. It's an incredibly disingenuous route for him to take. He makes exactly one point by saying I am scum because I said roleplaying is scummy. When I point out this is literally just false, he IMMEDIATELY pivots without any hesitation to saying it's actually scummy because him not doing anything is roleplaying and therefore I can't scumread him for it which is just ???? lmao

I have played quite a few games with enchant and this is also not really his scum meta and Gimli acting like it is is probably just hunting for a free elim

Salsabil - replacing out apparently! she has not posted a lot and i don't have a strong opinion on the stuff she has posted frankly
Nono - ditto except she might not replace out yet
Nepenthe - I looked at their iso 358 is a good post but like they have made basically no impact on the game so far so shrug hopefully they do something
Dionysus - Probably has +partner equity with gimli because gimli acting in disbelief that he could not be the most suspicious lurker could be tmi but other than that I have very little to say here too.

[Ausuka]

He's just a Not_Mafia copycat, ignore it. But still try and not be at E-1.

I've done what I could, I'm not gonna convince some players that I'm town and after I flip they'll go 'well he was playing weird' and will never reeval or read or care about me anymore

but I don't want this non comittal 'can I cap you' bullshit from kokichi. I'm not chopped liver.

Why are you acting surprised? This is like keeping a pet crocodile and then being shocked when it tries to bite you

[Ausuka]

He's just a Not_Mafia copycat, ignore it. But still try and not be at E-1.

I've done what I could, I'm not gonna convince some players that I'm town and after I flip they'll go 'well he was playing weird' and will never reeval or read or care about me anymore

but I don't want this non comittal 'can I cap you' bullshit from kokichi. I'm not chopped liver.

Why are you acting surprised? This is like keeping a pet crocodile and then being shocked when it tries to bite you

Wonderful time for you to leap back in the thread froggy. I had a feeling this post would catch your interest, I wonder why.

Naturally

[Ausuka]

Where are you going, don't leave me alone

How do I follow you

[Ausuka]

Enchant give me a full readslist gogogogogogo

Use at least 2000 words and I expect citations and references to at least 5 pieces of academic literature

[Ausuka]

Enchant give me a full readslist gogogogogogo

Use at least 2000 words and I expect citations and references to at least 5 pieces of academic literature

If they actually do this I will park my vote on myself and never take it off for the rest of the game

I will also vote you and never take it off for the rest of the game

[Ausuka]

Maybe we can compromise with you giving reads on someone who is not gimli

[Ausuka]

VOTE: dionysus

dont ask me why

ask yourselves: why not?

You're supposed to do this with 30 hours left until deadline

[Ausuka]

I am pretty sceptical about gimli!mafia wagon building so fast instead of me being killed

This does not technically fulfill the terms of my proposal but it is satisfactory. I will award you a C

[Ausuka]

@Ausuka i said before that if you told me who to vote i'd do it with no questions and you didn't take advantage of that which is making me trust you a little more in a non-trolling way bc as mafia i probably would jump on the opportunity to have a pocket voter??? maybe you're just a more patient person than me though

I would probably not do that as mafia but please feel free to townread me

[Ausuka]

@Ausuka i said before that if you told me who to vote i'd do it with no questions and you didn't take advantage of that which is making me trust you a little more in a non-trolling way bc as mafia i probably would jump on the opportunity to have a pocket voter??? maybe you're just a more patient person than me though

you're selling yourself cheap twice here

ausuka would prolly be a little self aware to take you on your word as mafia don't you think? I'm not calling her scum I'm just trying to make you take it easy with this townread maybe

Why are you saying you're not calling me scum? I don't think you've held back from that before in this game

[Ausuka]

I think we just vote Elsa or Ausuka

Ok, we could do it but it would be 100% irresponsible. Day 1 don't matter, but night 1 does and we can't afford to miss any night actions

Why do you assume they are town and can't be scum?
Interesting..

Maybe we should just vote you

[Ausuka]

i said you had towny posts idk if youre scum

Ok I looked back and you are actually right on this point oops

[Ausuka]

Yes i confirm.

As Town Cop first thing i do is claim publically without immediate danger, to grab all power i have and put it straight in the ass.

Totally town indicative.

I am not sure if it is productive to discuss this and like i don't think there's much harm in just killing someone else d1 tbh

[Ausuka]

i don't agree that it's always right to just kill off a lurker d1, or that people need to sort by activity more - i think in most of the games I've played on the site since returning town just overlooks someone who posts a lot and they either win the game or come close to it

But to be fair it's probably less of a danger in this game in which like half the players have been mostly MIA and I'm not particularly opposed to killing off someone who isn't playing either if we can't decide on anything else, obviously

[Ausuka]

ok that cop emoji looks like a fucking soft I know it does. it isn't one. i am just an idiot and i have no idea how that got there

[Ausuka]

Maybe we should just vote you

I guarantee you'd be voted out before I ever will be. But feel free to try, frogger

This isn't particularly subtle and I don't really care until you substantiate it

[Ausuka]

imagine sending a broken ass MQ thats 90% filler talk and then act all insulted when someone calls you up on it

I can somewhat see this line of reasoning but like, even if it wasn't intended this way MG's post kinda does read like it's shitting on her style rather than calling her scum

Meanwhile kokichi's whole thing was 'doing nothing and then acting like it's a smoking gun when someone calls you up on it' (and while it's not exactly the same iirc kokichi did something pretty similar to elsa)

I don't see why you think salsa is scum and kokichi isn't

[Ausuka]

saying you are doing nothing in the thread does not change the fact you are doing nothing

[Ausuka]

Trying to word this in the best way, I think some of the awkwardness feels like something that just happens when people don't speak english as their first language and are capable of speaking the language fluently but maybe don't have all the tone things down

Her posts are kind of worse than I remember tho

I guess I will wait for the replacement

[Ausuka]

Annnnd there's scum or lazy town vote parking already. Wonderful.

This is your punishment for discrediting me. A day 1 elim

imagine sending a broken ass MQ thats 90% filler talk and then act all insulted when someone calls you up on it

I can somewhat see this line of reasoning but like, even if it wasn't intended this way MG's post kinda does read like it's shitting on her style rather than calling her scum

Meanwhile kokichi's whole thing was 'doing nothing and then acting like it's a smoking gun when someone calls you up on it' (and while it's not exactly the same iirc kokichi did something pretty similar to elsa)

I don't see why you think salsa is scum and kokichi isn't

Because I didnt do this, I explained what I did. And I did not do this to Elsa.

Really makes you think

[Ausuka]

You threatened to hammer someone you didn't scumread at e-1 and then act like being called a not_mafia copycat is unreasonable?

[Ausuka]

You threatened to hammer someone you didn't scumread at e-1 and then act like being called a not_mafia copycat is unreasonable?

Yes, I am not a perfect person. I can be wrong with my scumreads

VOTE: Kokichi

[Ausuka]

So currently the five people I'd vote are: Nono, Enchant, Gera, Gimli, and ... I guess Dionysus.

Not putting my name in there. Are you afraid I'd just vote you since I seem unpredictable?

I'd be willing to settle on Enchant. But, I think Ausuka is scum too so

Kokichi you actually solving yet or are you stalling until day 2?

I've already gave 2 scumreads. Enchant and Ausuka. Not sure why you're trying to discredit me as doing nothing

Elsa says I'm not solving, then failed to respond to my scumreads. Hmmm

By the way, this was all before the post you're trying to say was the reason. Not sure if you missed it or just trying to spin a narrative.

It makes no sense but isn't the kind of thing which is like impossible for town to believe so not worth distracting from the more important point

[Ausuka]

Not every question gets followed up and that isn't scummy unless someone does it a lot

[Ausuka]

if we do that they will definitely just flip vig or something. sorry that's just how it works

[Ausuka]

Nono and dionysus haven't posted in four and a half days can we get replacements for them too pls

[Ausuka]

But we are definitely not limming the claimed investigative today. If Elsa is indeed a town PR, have scum sort her for us with a nightkill. If she is scum, then she can’t bs her way out for too long unless she decides to keep innoing townies which is a plus for us. (Innoing scum is a risk because if caught that’s 1+1 deal for town)

Let's see how you talk when elsa fakes guilty on you and gets free mislim.

I mean if this happened I don't think i would vote mg

[Ausuka]

People like Kokichi and Enchant just uh... Seem like a waste because frankly they'll solve themselves I think.

How?

[Ausuka]

I mean I agree but they aren't going to solve themselves? I guess it's not too important but I thought I was misunderstanding something shrug

[Ausuka]

next time I roll scum I'm doing the kokichi strategy

[Ausuka]

next time I roll scum I'm doing the kokichi strategy

The true key is doing it as town and scum so you're always read as town.

truly

[Ausuka]

Was my reads list really that long ago

Anyway uh likely gimli and/or you and/or like nono or dionysus or whatever

Not really that confident townreading anyone here tho except maybe comus

[Ausuka]

I didn't want to go for kawaii today because they seemed like they were new and gradually getting into the game but they haven't exactly been towny either

[Ausuka]

I think enchant is probably town though

[Ausuka]

I can't write you a wall about my enchant read but this is more in line from what i've seen of town him and he feels alright

[Ausuka]

I know that's not especially convincing but shrug I was asked for my reads and std had him as deep red

[Ausuka]

Kawaii who would you want to kill instead

[Ausuka]

I don't want to talk about it that much but my position is that

1) enchant's position is very much understandable
2) i don't want to kill elsa anyway

[Ausuka]

Your claiming that to kill me fuck off. Nobody actually CC's day 1.

They definitely do

[Ausuka]

I mean enchant isn't but that is a bad mindset to have imo

[Ausuka]

1) even if you think they shouldn't, people have done it

2) I would say the outcome of trading a scum for an investigative pr is probably better than letting that scum live and become trusted, while your claim is going to look immensely sketchy if you're under pressure to claim at any point

[Ausuka]

what

[Ausuka]

I was with him at the Elsa is vanilla part and then he started talking about ego and Norse gods

[Ausuka]

No I'm not no eliminating I can't live with another day of geraintm talking about how there are no flips

[Ausuka]

No that was a joke. I do not want to no eliminate because doing so is fairly blatantly suboptimal and if you take a break from the thread and rest I suspect you will agree with me when you come back

[Ausuka]

vc

Nono and dionysus haven't posted in the thread for five and a half days and should have been replaced twice over

[Ausuka]

i'd definitely just jump on some rando rather than no-eliminate. it's likely to just be a waste because 12 people isn't a better position for town than 11 people. it's possible we will get a vig or some protective save but i'm not going to bet on it

[Ausuka]

I'm not really a fan of kawaii only talking about elsa. I understand giving their opinion on the matter but like elsa isn't under massive threat here I think so it's a bit weird to have it as a sole focus

[Ausuka]

id vote enchant too i think kawaii is more likely

kawaii seems to be inquisitive and instead of talking about elsa's reveal they just kind of unvote and slink into the shadows

Actually why do you say kawaii isn't talking about elsa's reveal

[Ausuka]

Comus is going to flip modified cop

[Ausuka]

No

[Ausuka]

It's actually an anarchist community in which the responsibility of policing is shared between all citizens

[Ausuka]

id vote enchant too i think kawaii is more likely

kawaii seems to be inquisitive and instead of talking about elsa's reveal they just kind of unvote and slink into the shadows

Actually why do you say kawaii isn't talking about elsa's reveal

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do you know how time works

oops misread

[Ausuka]

Elsa Jay being scum with Comus would be hilarious but i don't think it's particularly likely

i don't think eliminating dionysus is like a good idea in theory but whatever i'm not going to cry for the empty slot that isn't getting replaced for some reason

[Ausuka]

Kokichi gimli std

[Ausuka]

@ausuka: you're voting kokichi so why don't you scumcase him if you feel stronger about it?

Have i not already done this?

[Ausuka]

ausuka

if it's not kokichi

who do you think it is

[Ausuka]

anything i can write will probably just be a reiteration of what i've already said in my iso. i could iso him to find more things for a case but i think that just leads to confirmation bias - if you're looking for reasons to justify a position, you will find them

anyway here goes;
- i think his original gambit thing is pretty bad. it's not, like, impossible to come from town? but the idea to do nothing, and then act like people are scum if they are calling you out for doing nothing, looks more like someone trying to give off the chaotic vibes of a 'too scummy to be scum' player vs someone actually trying to sort. like, the idea that saying 'hee hee i'm doing nothing i wonder if people will scumread me' is supposed to make people think you're *not* doing anything is just kind of ridiculous.

- his other push, elsa, is even worse. one of the reasons he gave for this is that elsa was 'discrediting' him by calling him a not_mafia copycat - after he literally just threatened to hammer someone he was clearly not townreading. In 810 he says the reason he did this is because 'he can be wrong with his scumreads' which is obviously a vague justification that could be used to hammer anyone. It's not just that he says this, but he says anyone who suggests in any way this might not be optimal town gameplay is scum for it. I think this read is really difficult to see coming from a genuine thought process, and it reads much more like he started with the idea he wanted to push back against elsa and the reasoning came afterwards.

- his whole softclaim arc just felt sorta gross

- I think townreads on him are based on the idea that someone acting chaotic/antitown would be town for it because his actions are against the norms of how scum play. I think this is basically townreading him for his style, and so long as he acts in this sort of manner as town, if he

didn't

emulate that in his scum game catching him would be incredibly easy.

[Ausuka]

I am aware this won't convince you or anyone else but i felt very strongly his approach to me was not in good faith

[Ausuka]

well that case was a total waste of time rip

[Ausuka]

What are the towny things kokichi has done?

That isn't to be snarky, I think most people agree but I don't think townreads on kokichi have been justified often, probably just because there's never been a wagon on him, so I'm not super clear why he's being townread exactly

[Ausuka]

I mean, as I said in my case post I think it is mostly that he is playing in a chaotic and counterintuitive way that people think scum wouldn't do, but shrug there probably should be more to it

[Ausuka]

well that case was a total waste of time rip

It's okay, I read it. All that matters is that you're wrong, but I appreciate the effort

Your gameplay might not be improving but at least your humour is

[Ausuka]

I mean, as I said in my case post I think it is mostly that he is playing in a chaotic and counterintuitive way that people think scum wouldn't do, but shrug there probably should be more to it

If I'm being honest, if I was scum I'd be more interested in this game.

I feel like this game is probably not massively interesting for either alignment at the moment

[Ausuka]

Frogger my scumread on you has dropped slightly. You are no longer the #1 scumread. You've been demoted to #3 scumread. Congratulations

Nooooo

@ausuka: granted, there isn't much but *feels* to it. I've skimmed through his posting and there isn't much of an argument to be made on why kokichi is town. there's a couple of things I like: when koki made whatever scumclaim thing he made, and kawaii voted him for it. gera picks on that to ask kawaii if that's a joke vote, and kokichi pushes gera for it. I don't think that went anywhere? and then in the pages where me, ausuka and enchant are having a go in the thread, and magical girl calls all those pages garbage (they were) and then kokichi says they're not garbage cause there's a lot of AI stuff going on there.

it's really thin and I think you have a more compelling case for why kokichi is mafia than I could make one for why he is town. at any rate he should town it up if he is town.

I don't really think the first point was towny. The second one seems slightly town indicative but I think scum is also pretty likely to tune into discussions which are about them? Idk

[Ausuka]

Welcome klick

[Ausuka]

why are people townreading gera aagain

[Ausuka]

why are people townreading gera aagain

Probably a cop?

What if we have mafia cops

[Ausuka]

I'm a Town Compulsive Visitor.

You sure you aren't a cop? Compulsive visitor is basically a walking vanilla town. Not sure I see utility in it, could be in place of a vanilla town I guess but still very weird role. Basically does nothing. Good claim if you're scum.

But you are claiming from the start, so I'll believe you for now? Unless you're a cop.

I mean i would be shocked if klick isn't a compulsive visitor

I don't really think the role is alignment indicative though

[Ausuka]

why are people townreading gera aagain

i dont know. i've always said that people shouldn't go after me day 1 because i am easily solveable as scum, im so obvious.

I'm a Town Compulsive Visitor. This seems like the sort of role to claim straight away. I'm probably going to choose a player today and very loudly target them every Night as long as both of us are alive.

you have to leave the house every night and go see someone? but not announcing so the person you go to doesn't know you have gone there. i was a town announcing compulsive voyeur in a recent game, and i can't see the point of the role except to possibly confuse a cop and get a false positive?

There's probably some sort of setup gimmick, where the game is filled with similarly useless roles and there are theoretically interesting role interactions which are very unlikely to actually happen and will probably have a minor effect on the game even if they do

[Ausuka]

I just checked geraintm's game history and in a recently finished mini normal he did this exact thing and got eliminated d1 and flipped town

So I guess this is just his playstyle

[Ausuka]

Pls explain why you think he is clearly townie

[Ausuka]

I mean I still don't think that, I just checked that he does indeed also play like this as town - I highly doubt he would exclusively do things as scum

[Ausuka]

k

[Ausuka]

4 pages in and I think Ausuka is just scum?

Wow I dislike this person already

[Ausuka]

I read 7 pages last night before falling asleep lmao

TOWN
Comus
Elsa Jay

LEANING TOWN
Gimli
Magical Girl
Kokichi Oma
KawaiiKame

NULL
geraintm
Dionysus
nepenthe

LEANING SCUM?
Save The Dragons
Enchant
Ausuka

kind of stinky tbh

[Ausuka]

sorry if i have contributed to the frustration, i have tried to engage with your content in good faith and everything

[Ausuka]

Wait gera has reads??

Yeah i mean regardless of your alignment i understand, mafia is kind of just a frustrating game sometimes

[Ausuka]

Lol I take the game very seriously for someone who sucks at it

I think at least somewhat efforting is kind of necessary to enjoy the game for me though

[Ausuka]

I'll think about it

[Ausuka]

I see ausuka exclusively enabling enchant in this game, which klick if you remember alisae/andante relationship in the micro, this has a bit of that vibe. of course it's between different players, so the way the enabling dynamics play out ITT is different. but the relationship exists here and given your reads I think you may have noticed.

This post reads like enchant is like addicted to shitposting or something

[Ausuka]

Klick has posted like nothing of value so far, which isn't a dig at him because he just replaced in and I wouldn't expect anything else but it makes your play around him feel offputting

Maybe there is some history between you two I am not privy to

[Ausuka]

Ok i mean i think if enchant flips mafia looking at me is reasonable

I think enchant be enchant is just necessary to reading him

I wasn't actually certain of you being mafia there or whatever but you were definitely my biggest suspect and i thought you and enchant not being likely to be partnered was worth nothing

[Ausuka]

this kind of joke post to enchant that's not game advancing is playing with his meta ITT so that people don't kill him for not making a read all game. that's why I think this is enabling behaviour.

I think I post game advancing content pretty often but if joking around is mafia behaviour then I am Al Capone

[Ausuka]

Ok i mean i think if enchant flips mafia looking at me is reasonable

I think enchant be enchant is just necessary to reading him

I wasn't actually certain of you being mafia there or whatever but you were definitely my biggest suspect and i thought you and enchant not being likely to be partnered was worth noting

typo

[Ausuka]

Haha did I hit 3 for 3

kind of stinky tbh

[Ausuka]

Frogger my scumread on you has dropped slightly. You are no longer the #1 scumread. You've been demoted to #3 scumread. Congratulations

Menalque replaces Dionysus

Oh my god this game is lit

Want to vote Ausuka?

Elsa is obvmafia but "CoP cLaIm"

Yeah probably but no one will vote her today sadly, so time to move on. Vote Ausuka or I'm likely voting you instead if that's not an option either

[Ausuka]

Oh well we can't expect kokichi to keep track of his own read progression when he's too busy coming up with the next sick gambit that will make everyone townread him because ???

[Ausuka]

I can't tell if this is a bit or if you're genuinely claiming to have solved the game

[Ausuka]

Oh well we can't expect kokichi to keep track of his own read progression when he's too busy coming up with the next sick gambit that will make everyone townread him because ???

I'm guessing reading is hard for you

k

[Ausuka]

i'm leaving the thread, you guys have fun

[Ausuka]

I've literally had the same 3 scumreads all day 1.

Because you are mafia who already dedicated some players as mafia. Changing mind is not in your interests.

town

pedit: It doesn't change much for me with gimli because it's basically just the exact same thing he did with kokichi earlier, when he was calling me scum for thinking kokichi was scummier than the other lurkers. If he's town, he seems to have this idea that I should share his reads even if they are explained vaguely if at all. I still think it's scummy of course.

[Ausuka]

because it's a good take on kokichi and he's the only one i've seen actually engage with the idea.

i asked why people townread kokichi and the only response i got was you saying that you actually didn't really townread him, and comus saying he seems confident

(i also think this is just wildly more in line with enchant's town meta and i'd really like if you showed me a scum enchant game that looks anything like this)

[Ausuka]

I think comus's confidence feels a lot more sincere than kokichi's. with comus he like, he does have read progression, even if his focus is pretty narrow. kokichi isn't really like that; he makes giant leaps in the confidence of reads he makes and his progression makes very little sense.

i mean, to be fair it was a while back, but the last time i played with scum kokichi i read him correctly and pretty sure it was for seeming unreasonable and having fabricated pushes similar to here.

[Ausuka]

And while usually i would not really care about a game 5 years ago, it really doesn't feel like he's changed and the point I'm trying to make is that unless there's strong evidence otherwise I really don't agree with the idea that pushes that look fabricated and bad progression can't be scum indicative

[Ausuka]

It wasn't under a different account, it was a mini normal which you probably forgot. I'm not sure why I remember it, I guess since you have the same avatar it jogged my memory.

[Ausuka]

Kokichi Oma

is a scumread. 39 is meh- I guess I could see it coming from town but I don't really see how you look at that post and think "oh hey, that's a good point." I've already mentioned that I don't like 149 and I see it as a fabricated push. I do like 148 though. 151 is another bad post- RR gave an explanation for this- why is he ignoring it? 155 also feels fake to me.

The link is on the arrow

[Ausuka]

Or maybe it's the posting no actual content that is the roleplaying? Am I meant to think that's not scum indicative but some newbie who posted like one time and then dipped is definitely scum, and I should be voting for them and if I don't I'm scum

it's about dionysus, who is a newbie, posted one time, and then dipped, and was also who gimli wanted me to think was scum. You do not meet any of these four criteria and now I am kind of wondering how much of my posts you read because I definitely feel like I've definitely repeated myself on this?
The main link in my mind was that I thought you were scum for making pushes that felt fabricated and you responded to me in that game by calling me scum for it, but I don't take meta from 5 years ago that seriously - i was mostly just speaking against the idea that you would necessarily be more polite and Reasonable as scum

[Ausuka]

hi ausuka

hi mena

I have thought about the kokichi 180 and i still don't know so i will think about it later after i finish my essay

[Ausuka]

ausuka, I saw you saying that you disliked kokichi re:elsa during my catch up, but I'm p sure that I also gleaned that you think kokichi scum p strongly -- if you step aside from that or try to, do you think Elsa is more likely town or scum?

I was hoping we could stay away from elsa and see if she gets nightkilled but clearly that isn't happening

I wasn't a massive fan early on but since then she's been... fine? Not that towny overall and like I'm not going to pledge to fight her wagon to the death, but at the same time I'm not all that tempted to be voting her right now

[Ausuka]

Also how dare you call me meh I am a very cute frog

[Ausuka]

also I do not believe in scumslips generally

[Ausuka]

I have played a lot of games and they are usually wrong

[Ausuka]

I think the only thing that gets me about kokichi is that the timing of the flip seems weird

Klick comes into the thread and just says i'm scum without elaborating and gimli is like "omg thank you klick you changed my life" and i don't know why you choose to stop scumreading me in the aftermath of that?

I guess it's possible it's just a "i felt like town me would do this" situation

I am willing to vote std at some point probably

[Ausuka]

I find the townreads on kawaii kinda baffling

[Ausuka]

I think the only thing that gets me about kokichi is that the timing of the flip seems weird

Klick comes into the thread and just says i'm scum without elaborating and gimli is like "omg thank you klick you changed my life" and i don't know why you choose to stop scumreading me in the aftermath of that?

I guess it's possible it's just a "i felt like town me would do this" situation

I am willing to vote std at some point probably

I'm trying not to come off as klick saving my life but I did gain a lot of extra energy by having him around which is nice. I think that's interfering with my solve because I'm wanting to townread klick really hard, but as far as d1 goes I'm happy to write him off as a townie anyway. but you are right to pick up a ??? vibe from it.

I mean if you two are besties it makes some sense

It's kind of frustrating but whatever I'm sure it'll be more constructive when he catches up

[Ausuka]

1) i already am voting kokichi

2) i don't think that's a slip, obviously

[Ausuka]

i think flipping ausuka today is a horrible thing. I'd never really push her, I'd get her later when d1 creates the right associatives.

Is this just the enchant thing or

@comus, I think it's not a particularly unreasonable thing to say in all honesty and I do not believe in slips for the most part

[Ausuka]

Well I disagree but okay!

[Ausuka]

Wait if I've been pushing town why are you voting koki

[Ausuka]

Ok sure great so why do you say so confidently I've been pushing town

[Ausuka]

other than std I don't know if your pushes are hitting scum

??

[Ausuka]

Also how are you going to blame your vote on comus lol the dude has like zero thread influence

[Ausuka]

Ok so the two people I said I was considering voting in the thread were kokichi and std

You then say you think I'm pushing town

How do you not see the issue here.

[Ausuka]

Also the way you're twisting my push on elsa is lol

Opportunistic and fueling people?? It was literally a push that I made in the early game that you're just inserting all this malicious bullshit into

[Ausuka]

Does saying Comus is over analysing everything really look like some kind of chess move to win him over?

[Ausuka]

Ok so the two people I said I was considering voting in the thread were kokichi and std

You then say you think I'm pushing town

How do you not see the issue here.

I still want to hear about this btw

[Ausuka]

VOTE: gimli

[Ausuka]

Okay, I want to write my thoughts on Gimli here now because I know my vote just looks like an omgus vote. And I mean, that's not *entirely* wrong but the post about me pushing town made something click for me about his treatment of me the entire game.

The thing that made gimli instantly plummet back to the very bottom of my readslist was this;

i think flipping ausuka today is a horrible thing. I'd never really push her, I'd get her later when d1 creates the right associatives.

Is this just the enchant thing or

@comus, I think it's not a particularly unreasonable thing to say in all honesty and I do not believe in slips for the most part

I think you've been pushing townies and defending scum. its enchant but its elsa, its me, maybe its kokichi? idk, we can flip kokichi and figure it out. that's why im saying the associatives will help me with your alignment cause idk what to make of your d1. there are certainly reasons to tr you as well as there are reasons to sr you.

The elephant in the room is that, yeah, this post is pushing me, of course I'm not going to like it. But this post is truly bizarre. It's like he's talking out of both sides of his mouth. He's saying he's not sure what to make of my d1, that there are reasons to tr me and reasons to sr me, but at the same time he's willing to make the statement "I think you've been pushing townies and defending scum" which is really unambiguous. And again, he's voting for Kokichi, and another person I mentioned I was willing to vote and didn't like was STD. That's half of my pool and that's half of his pool. There is no reason for him to take that angle and it made me want to vote for him.

This isn't just an one-time thing, though, it's part of a larger pattern which I didn't really notice until this point. He says "there are certainly reasons to tr you" and he has said something similar before - that his read is neutral, there are reasons to townread or scumread me. But he never really elaborates beyond this vague sentiment that maybe there are some reasons to townread me. Obviously, there's the moment around 406 where he makes the push on me for scumleaning Kokichi, and he keeps doing that for a little while. In 552 he gives the 'some of her posts are towny' line without any sort of elaboration and in contrast makes sure to explain his reasoning for being suspicious. He tries to persuade nepenthe out of townreading me in 721, he says he doesn't know why I'm scumreading Kokichi in 1028. When Klick replaces in and calls me scum, you would think this might be a good time to talk about the reasons he has that I could be town, to talk his read out with Klick - no, his response in 1109 is just "i started to townread enchant and ausuka but maybe that was wrong." In 1120 I'm 'enabling' enchant, he again elaborates on all the things I'm doing to meet a Scum Agenda in 1182, he puts me in his solve in 1268. And obviously, we have 1309. Most of these points are frankly not even noteworthy in isolation, and I don't expect most people to read all of these points, but I wanted to demonstrate that I'm not pulling this out of my ass - there is a strong theme here. Gimli claims to have me as neutral, and sometimes mentions thinking I have towny posts, but never once elaborates on this, never argues the case for me being town, while trying to push reasons to scumread me time and time again.

I'm aware this sounds strange but please listen. Gimli wants me dead, during the day. He does not want to use a nightkill on me, and he does not want me to stay alive. But he doesn't want to get his hands dirty by leading the charge personally. Why?

killing ausuka d1 will be too much drama

enchant will just yawn and let us have it

I think he is a good flip and I'm trying to play more strategically around comus' scumread, so I've been trying to find someone he'd agree with. I wanted to eliminate std but he won't move and quite frankly we can flip kokichi and find out.

First of all - so that this case isn't entirely about me, I just want to emphasise that Gimli's vote on Kokichi is worthy of scumreading on its own. His post justifying his vote on Kokichi is *really* invested in blaming it on Comus. Like, as I said, Comus has zero thread pull. Menalque replaces in and starts beef with Comus like twenty seconds later. I don't think town gimli actually cares about comus to this extent. It just comes off as making excuses.

Secondly, this demonstrates that Gimli does care about his image and how it's affected by pushing people. While voting Kokichi, he's really careful to distance himself from the wagon - he doesn't want to be seen as the main person behind it if it goes through. This probably means Kokichi is town, although I guess it's also possible he's just trying to treat Kokichi as closely as possible to a town wagon. This is why I think it makes sense to say - he's trying to encourage people to push me and that's his angle here. He wants to do everything he can to get an elimination without being the person in primary focus on day 2, and that's why he posts like he's scumreading me while claiming to not.

By the way, I think this is worth emphasising;

I think ausuka's push on elsa is townie, and I think elsa might be a townie who plays a more self aware and reactive game.

I don't like enchant so far, feels stiff.

I am

very

skeptical that Gimli genuinely goes from thinking my push on elsa was towny at the start of the day, and now towards the end of the day it's not only not townie anymore, but is actually so scummy that it's STILL worth pushing on page 54.

[Ausuka]

I don't think kawaii is really close to hammer

What do you hope this push achieves? To capture my attention? You have it, I read something about Elsa giving up her cop claim but failed to see that in her IS0, what exactly is happening in this game?

Elsa didn't give up her cop claim, I think you're thinking of Enchant, who jokingly claimed cop to make fun of people who townread Elsa and later clarified he wasn't actually cop

What do you think is happening in this game?

[Ausuka]

please give me the peace of a d1 elim ausuka

I'm trying!

[Ausuka]

Hey I mean, it's less impressive than pocketing someone by implying their posts suck

[Ausuka]

I mean, if you're town here I think your thinking about players like comus is fatally flawed. Even a player who maybe is not that great isn't some kind of tool you can use and control; I don't expect any mafia player to go for things like that because people are unpredictable. I think in future days comus can and will turn on anyone including me if his prior beliefs are falsified.

Like in the last mini normal I played frogsterking townreads me the entire game and says most of my posts are good and then on like late d2/early d3 he just totally pushes this idea that I'm scum. I was town in that game but if I'm mafia there's still no way to predict or control it

[Ausuka]

Also I love the assumption that me pushing elsa has to be an elaborate pocketing attempt because it's not something I could genuinely believe, but that post was townie before you decided you needed to push me

[Ausuka]

Your reads

I mean, that line is true of anyone, but his specific implication is that because we had some similar reads early d1 it means I have you pocketed for the rest of the game

[Ausuka]

Also I love the assumption that me pushing elsa has to be an elaborate pocketing attempt because it's not something I could genuinely believe, but that post was townie before you decided you needed to push me

I read that over a couple of times, ausuka, I can change my mind about it. have you ever changed your mind about a post?

In the same way you did? absolutely not

I think it's pretty bizarre however you spin it from thinking a post is not just NAI but actively townie, and when you realise that person isn't townreading you it's suddenly not only not townie but actually something town could never believe

[Ausuka]

Enchant's hard town lol

[Ausuka]

no u

[Ausuka]

Hmm I would ask in response if you two are masons but it wouldn't really work since you've been all "please kill me" for the last few pages

[Ausuka]

[Ausuka]

Enchant's hard town lol

Why

If you can't beat them join them

In any case i feel like enchant has been playing like town enchant and also pushed by people i suspect in a very, very questionable manner

[Ausuka]

Ok well if the scumteam is enchant and dionysus and kokichi, that's great, yay for us. I am going to operate under the assumption for now that at least one member of the scumteam is currently playing the game

I just fundamentally disagree with the logic that being involved in the game should make someone a townread and i don't think elsa's content has been particularly towny. I don't think trying to look at people's given thoughts and see if they come from a town mindset is a waste or 'picking' things at all.

When you've got two relatively inactive buddies

so enchant still scum

idk why you care about his read on you when you scumread him

Ding ding ding

We are comrades in terrible Klick pushes

[Ausuka]

gimli, std and klick

You are probably #4 tho sorry

Maybe kawaii is up there too meh

[Ausuka]

I'm pretty sure he has been most of my games since I returned to the site like this dude is everywhere

As scum he literally just did precisely 0 things for the entirety of day 1

As town he is basically like this, he mostly jokes around but also makes some actual contributions in which you can see where he's coming from imo

[Ausuka]

VOTE: STD

[Ausuka]

How about we end the day and koki shoots whoever he wants

I guess it probably won't matter but Mafia doctors are pretty common in vig games

[Ausuka]

k

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I believe it yes

[Ausuka]

Sure ok

[Ausuka]

Kawaii who is scum

[Ausuka]

You said two people were more likely to be scum than town and that is a high level of confidence for *anyone* to have d1 never mind someone who hasn't read the thread. You can't have it both ways

[Ausuka]

At the moment Ausuka feels slightly >rand scum. I could see her being town but think scum is more likely.

In contrast I think Enchant is rather likely scum

You literally say I am more likely to be scum than town here and same with enchant?

[Ausuka]

Like you directly say you "think scum is more likely" lol