Open 87 - Baby Too Much Scum - Over before 641

farside22 · Post Post #50 (ISO) » Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:08 am

Oh dear some many people voting in all sorts of directions.

votes:
Oman 1 vote: (Goatrevolt)
Goatrevolt 2 vote: (OGML, Oman)
Netran 1 vote: (alvinz95)
Alvinz95 1 vote: (Crazy)
OhGodMyLife 2 vote: (Rage, Armlx)
Rage 1 vote: (Netran)

8 people 5 to lynch
Deadline August 17th 2:00pm PST

Looks like Alvinz95 is still sleeping after my nudge. I'm pulling out the cattle prod now.

Netran · Post Post #51 (ISO) » Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:26 am

I have only a vote for the lynch, the one on Rage is right, delete the other one on Goatrevolt

Fixed

armlx · Post Post #52 (ISO) » Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:26 am

I'm just gonna let you two argue as I'm pretty sure at least one of you is scum here and want to know who.

Crazy · Post Post #53 (ISO) » Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:53 am

armlx wrote:I'm just gonna let you two argue as I'm pretty sure at least one of you is scum here and want to know who.

Really? I don't find either of them particularly scummy.

Goatrevolt · Post Post #54 (ISO) » Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:06 am

Crazy wrote:Really? I don't find either of them particularly scummy.

What do you think of Oman's vote on me? Justified?

armlx · Post Post #55 (ISO) » Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:11 am

Crazy wrote:
armlx wrote:I'm just gonna let you two argue as I'm pretty sure at least one of you is scum here and want to know who.
Really? I don't find either of them particularly scummy.

The semantics argument alone got my attention.

Crazy · Post Post #56 (ISO) » Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:19 am

Goatrevolt wrote:
Crazy wrote:Really? I don't find either of them particularly scummy.
What do you think of Oman's vote on me? Justified?

We're not yet totally into the full game-part yet. I'd say his vote is justified. Your reactions are interesting, if anything.

armlx · Post Post #57 (ISO) » Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:26 am

Your reactions are interesting, if anything.

Really? I don't find either of them particularly scummy.

Crazy, explain what I am seeing here.

Crazy · Post Post #58 (ISO) » Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:37 am

Interesting =/= scummy.

Goatrevolt · Post Post #59 (ISO) » Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:41 am

Crazy wrote:Interesting =/= scummy.

Then what does interesting mean, and why point it out?

Crazy · Post Post #60 (ISO) » Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:43 am

Goatrevolt wrote:
Crazy wrote:Interesting =/= scummy.
Then what does interesting mean, and why point it out?

Interesting means that I don't know whether it's scummy or not, but I'd like to look into it, and keep my eye on you.

armlx · Post Post #61 (ISO) » Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:45 am

How is that different from what I was saying then?

Crazy · Post Post #62 (ISO) » Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:25 am

Well, I'm not convinced that one of them is scum.

But then, I'm never convinced of anything.

armlx · Post Post #63 (ISO) » Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:38 am

Crazy wrote:Well, I'm not convinced that one of them is scum.

But then, I'm never convinced of anything.

To be fair, you of all people should know what me saying someone is scum on page 2 means.

alvinz95 · Post Post #64 (ISO) » Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:41 am

Back, forgot to reply back in thread. Rereading

Goatrevolt · Post Post #65 (ISO) » Wed Jul 23, 2008 8:59 am

alvinz95 wrote:Back, forgot to reply back in thread. Rereading

Have you read up yet? If so, I'd like to hear your thoughts.

armlx · Post Post #66 (ISO) » Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:08 am

Mod, can you please prod Rage and OGML?

Done!

OhGodMyLife · Post Post #67 (ISO) » Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:30 am

I was prodded only two days after posting.. wha?

Anywho, I think lurkerhunting is certifiably scummy in addition to just being wrong armlx, and this is why.

Lurkerhunting gives scum a free ride for their vote without (usually) having many questions asked. Certainly the lurker him/herself is not often going to fight back against it, since they're lurking and should be mod prodded rather than voted, and generally the rest of the town goes hm, well all right, a lurkervote, sure and goes on with their business. However, by voting a lurker, you are pointedly not taking a stand on any active players, thereby avoiding the fireworks associated with confronting someone who might fire back, and avoiding leaving a real voting record on any issues the town is actually in the midst of discussing.

So my vote remains happy where it is.

Goatrevolt · Post Post #68 (ISO) » Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:39 am

OhGodMyLife wrote:Lurkerhunting gives scum a free ride for their vote without (usually) having many questions asked. Certainly the lurker him/herself is not often going to fight back against it, since they're lurking and should be mod prodded rather than voted, and generally the rest of the town goes hm, well all right, a lurkervote, sure and goes on with their business. However, by voting a lurker, you are pointedly not taking a stand on any active players, thereby avoiding the fireworks associated with confronting someone who might fire back, and avoiding leaving a real voting record on any issues the town is actually in the midst of discussing.

On the contrary, my vote on armlx was the first real vote of the game. Also, nobody else was taking a stance on any active players. There was no game discussion for me to be avoiding. I definitely agree with you that someone who is lurkerhunting while avoiding discussing real issues is scummy, but what was I avoiding by lurker hunting?

Considering my vote is now on Oman for real reasons, do you still think this is a valid reason to be voting me?

Also, what do you think about Oman's reasons for voting me?

Crazy · Post Post #69 (ISO) » Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:37 pm

OGML, that applies once the game has actually gotten going. When Goatrevolt posted that "lurker-hunting" thing, he was probably just trying to get discussion started.

Oman · Post Post #70 (ISO) » Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:03 pm

Goat wrote:our vote on me contained your reasoning within the post

If my vote contained my reasoning, why did you have to ask me questions about it?

Rage · Post Post #71 (ISO) » Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:38 pm

I didn't get the chance to tell ya'll that I'd be out of town for a couple days, so now I should return to a good amount of activity by tomorrow morning.

Goatrevolt · Post Post #72 (ISO) » Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:46 pm

Oman wrote:
Goat wrote:our vote on me contained your reasoning within the post
If my vote contained my reasoning, why did you have to ask me questions about it?

I didn't understand a term you used. Had I understood the term you used then I would not have had to ask you any questions.

The point is this. You voted me because I provided an explanation for my vote, which is apparently scummy. However, when you voted for me you explained the reasons for your vote. Therefore you are committing the exact same "scum tell" that you're accusing me of. Hypocrisy.

I put scum tell in quotations because someone providing reasoning for their vote is not scummy by any stretch of the imagination. If you actually thought that was true, then you would not have provided reasoning for your vote on me.

You're currently voting me for a null tell that you yourself have committed. OGML had already voted me with a real reason, and you hopped on the wagon with crap logic. That's scummy.

armlx · Post Post #73 (ISO) » Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:14 pm

GR, exacly what null tell has Oman voted you for and done.

Goatrevolt · Post Post #74 (ISO) » Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:33 pm

armlx wrote:GR, exacly what null tell has Oman voted you for and done.

His vote on me is because I provided reasoning when I voted for you. I argue that providing reasoning along with a vote is a null tell. Scum and townies both provide reasoning when they vote for people.

He did the same thing himself because when he actually put that vote on me, he provided the reasoning for it. He committed that same alleged "scum tell" he accused me of.