Open 83 - Polygamist Mafia (Game over!) before 628

[somestrangeflea]

...

Did we just claim scum?

[eldarad]

Vote Count

Chelseafan (2) -

somestrangeflea, forbiddanlight

somestrangeflea (2) -

Adel, Gimbo

Gimbo (1) -

Harvey Pew

Forbiddanlight (1) -

chenhsi

KNIGHT42 (1) -

Firestarter

Nameless (1) -

SpyreX

SpyreX (1) -

Chelseafan

Firestarter (1) -

KNIGHT42

Not voting (2) -

MafiaSSK, Nameless

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

[Gimbo]

...

Did we just claim scum?

yes we did, honey.

[Gimbo]

Unvote Vote:Chelseafan

to follow my own rules.

[chenhsi]

No, don't lynch her, I'll die!

[Gimbo]

Ok, so

chensi and Chelseafan are 'lovers'

P.S. lovers are quoted by ' ' because I do not know your alignment yet.

[chenhsi]

Well, we are obviously town.

[Gimbo]

^ how is that so? you can be scum and you are pairing off into 2 pairs.

[KNIGHT42]

I bet the mafia group of chenhsi, Gimbo, chelseafan, and flea would like for me to claim my lover!

Unvote, Vote: Chelseafan

[chenhsi]

^ how is that so? you can be scum and you are pairing off into 2 pairs.

I was being ... ummm ... yeah. Whatever the word that describes what I was being.

[KNIGHT42]

Check that...

Unvote again, Vote: somestrangeflea

[Gimbo]

based on your join date and your posts

HoS:KNIGHT42

for both not claiming and for your vote post, very scummy

[Gimbo]

I bet the mafia group of chenhsi, Gimbo, chelseafan, and flea would like for me to claim my lover!

how so??

[KNIGHT42]

not saying its true but lets say you four "claimed your lovers" urging others to do so, so you could just pick us off

[SpyreX]

Damnit Gimbo,

Did you just, after talking about waiting to claim, start a chain of mass claims AND claim you were scum as well?

You've said it about me before. Either you're insane or a diabolical mastermind.

The best is, regardless of alignment, I KNOW flea is probably shaking his head.

Well, I didn't want to claim and I'm not going to yet. I'll leave that up to my lover <3 or process of elimination.

[Gimbo]

FoS: all non-claimers

[Adel]

Vote Count

somestrangeflea (2) -

Adel, Gimbo

Is it possible that Gimbo initially tried to distance himself from his scumbuddy before deciding to claim lover with him?

[Adel]

We can basically random vote and we very well might win, IF we don't, on Day 2, its going to be 50/50 and even if we have no other information, just by guessing we have 50% chance of hitting scum.

in order to lynch scum on day 2 it takes all six townies votinf for a single scum. With just two townies voting for another townie the four scum ill be able to quicklynch and win.

[Gimbo]

^ my vote for Flea was a part of the random vote stage since outside of this game, I'm not a big fan of Flea but under this circumstance, we are forced to work together as lovers.

[Adel]

I support mass-claiming today simply because we known townies wouldn't lie, so we would already have 4 vote-pairs right off the bat, this forces the 4 scum to split, and its much better for town.

if we don't massclaim, then even town pairs might not vote together, thus its going to be much more confusing.

so you voted for SSF during the random voting phase to spread confusion?

unvote, vote:Gimbo

[Gimbo]

just for analogy, that vote you placed so me seemed awfully like how you as scum in another game with MoS voted for him after his 2nd post gambit claiming scum.

as I said, the initial vote was a part of the random vote people and people hardly even stick with their random vote. thank you for twisting my words. what i was trying to say is that when we mass-claim and town pairs vote together, its less confusing for town.

What a convenient way for you to vote for me without seeming scummy.

Vote:Adel

and no, I am NOT omgusing.

[Harvey Pew]

no, I am NOT omgusing.

Er, maybe. But this and your scum ploy are making my head hurt. I would unvote you but I can't even tell what message that would send.

[Gimbo]

how about start by claiming lovers, everyone?

[SpyreX]

Actually, after reading the above dialogue, I have some huge reservations with Gimbo's idea and delivery:

1.) Massclaiming, at this point, I dont think is a good idea.
2.) Suggesting unequivocally that lovers should partner vote is a BAD idea:
a.) You are suggesting, on some level, removing the analysis and thought process from the slower member in place of a "me too" vote. I may trust my partner, but if I think they're going the wrong way I'll sure as hell argue with them about it.
b.) IF we do not win the game day 1, you are setting up a situation where if just ONE townie makes a mistake and the scum is even remotely paying attention to the game the scum wins (Townie A votes, Lover follows, Scum masspiles before the vote can be taken off).
3.) Claiming scum, with no night actions, makes no sense except in a WIFOM case. It is not like you could have done it to keep yourselves from being NK'd by the scum - it only serves to try and keep the TOWN from voting on you to keep you alive.
4.) Your plan puts way too much emphasis on you staying alive and, somehow, you interpret that as you being town. However, in this game, staying alive as town D1 really doesn't matter as much: Assume even on a mislynch there is information that can lead to town finding scum tomorrow.
5.) (And this gets me) You've created a situation where, if you WERE actually town, you've lost the game for us if it goes to day 2 and you are alive. Guess who I'd vote for? Hint - its you. That means, by your own logic, my partner would and then all the scums sure as hell would.

Unvote
Vote: Gimbo

Also, damnit, I could totally see you BEING scum and then CLAIMING scum just to rub it in if it worked.

This plan is so bad for the town as it sits that I honestly think you are scum in your own WIFOM.

The OMGUS vote doesn't hurt any either.

[somestrangeflea]

The best is, regardless of alignment, I KNOW flea is probably shaking his head.

/me shakes head.