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[Adel]

why?

[Nameless]

I can think of no good reason NOT to massclaim straight up. Doing so will make the game simpler for the town, whereas not doing so will ... not. Unless there's something I'm missing here.

[forbiddanlight]

There's also the fact that killing one mafia kills them all, even though killing one townie kills two. I am in favor of an across the board reveal.

[SpyreX]

Its not all that hard to see reasons not to claim. Voting patterns become much more interesting to analyze without a mass-claim not to mention it would be much easier to catch slipups in the mafia voting if they dont break into partner pairs.

The claim IS inevitable (probably at L-1) but there was no real reason to push it this way this fast. Why play the same game the same way twice?

[Adel]

I don't see any reason to claim day 1 rather than day 2.

[SpyreX]

Personally, I'd claim day 2 as well. I expect the L-1 claim from at least the one party regardless.

[MafiaSSK]

I guess that makes sense.

[somestrangeflea]

Yeah, massclaim at LyLo-D2 makes sense, I guess...

[Nameless]

I guess that makes sense.

Yeah, massclaim at LyLo-D2 makes sense, I guess...

FOS MafiaSSK, somestrangeflea

for bland agreements. (The bland attempts to follow the town that is, not their actual position on massclaiming)

Personally, I'm not really sure how the voting patterns will be any more informative without claiming. You might catch the mafia out if they were expecting a mass claim (as last game), but the same could apply to townie lovers unsure how to act, meaning there's a greater chance of mislynching. Ultimately massclaiming would mean more information and more surety, which is going to help the town.

[somestrangeflea]

I guess that makes sense.

Yeah, massclaim at LyLo-D2 makes sense, I guess...

FOS MafiaSSK, somestrangeflea

for bland agreements. (The bland attempts to follow the town that is, not their actual position on massclaiming)

Giving further evidence to support a decision which has already been made is pointless.

[Nameless]

Giving further evidence to support a decision which has already been made is pointless.

If you believed a decision had already been made then your post was pointless - you could have acknowledged it simply by not claiming and beginning to scumhunt.

[Gimbo]

I support mass-claiming today simply because we known townies wouldn't lie, so we would already have 4 vote-pairs right off the bat, this forces the 4 scum to split, and its much better for town.

if we don't massclaim, then even town pairs might not vote together, thus its going to be much more confusing.

[forbiddanlight]

I actually find myself in agreement with gimbo (holy hell, I think I'm with SpyreX in that sig quote).

[Gimbo]

^

[somestrangeflea]

if we don't massclaim, then even town pairs might not vote together

Even if we do massclaim, I see no reason why me and my lover should always vote the same way...

thus its going to be much more confusing.

No more than any other game of Mafia...

[Gimbo]

oh shut up you.

[somestrangeflea]

no u

[Chelseafan]

if we don't massclaim, then even town pairs might not vote together

Even if we do massclaim, I see no reason why me and my lover should always vote the same way...

I agree with SSF here on this.
I don't see why lovers will always vote the same way.

As for claiming who our lovers are, I don't really see what it gains us.

[Adel]

if we don't massclaim, then even town pairs might not vote together

Even if we do massclaim, I see no reason why me and my lover should always vote the same way...

I agree with SSF here on this.
I don't see why lovers will always vote the same way.

As for claiming who our lovers are, I don't really see what it gains us.

it takes a game of twelve elements and simplifies it to six elements.

[chenhsi]

Wait, if we mislynch twice we lose, right?

[Harvey Pew]

it takes a game of twelve elements and simplifies it to six elements.

Better than that Adel. The mafia, despite what they may say, are one element - they will claim pairs but be much more linked. So it takes twelve down to five.

[forbiddanlight]

Wait, if we mislynch twice we lose, right?

Yeah, but if we get it right once we win. It's pretty fair, and simplifying the ties will make it easier to see what mafia are doing.

[Chelseafan]

if we don't massclaim, then even town pairs might not vote together

Even if we do massclaim, I see no reason why me and my lover should always vote the same way...

I agree with SSF here on this.
I don't see why lovers will always vote the same way.

As for claiming who our lovers are, I don't really see what it gains us.

it takes a game of twelve elements and simplifies it to six elements.

I see, putting it that way I'm in favour of it then.

[Gimbo]

yea, i'm at massclaim standby

[Gimbo]

For this to work,

all TOWN pairs must

vote together. scums do whatever you want

NOW I claim to be scum:

1) If I am scum, then I create confusing WIFOM for the town and the result depends on town's interpretation of this at the end of the day.

2) If I am town, the scums will surely know this. Thus, this puts the scums in a hard position; to vote for me or not?

Lynching a town pair is optimal for the scums because if it's not me up for lynch and we decide on a new lynch, 1 of the scums might very well get killed (2/5 chance once me and my lover gets exempt) decimating the whole group and giving town victory on Day 1.

If the scums decide to join townies to lynch me and I (and my partner) flip town, then after my lynch, from the votecount of the day before, we can most likely catch scum.

If the scums decide to not vote for me, then I can't possibly be lynched because it takes 7 to lynch, the scumgroup 4 + my lover pair = 6, there's no way to get a majority.

If the scums split up and a few of them join townies (1 scum + 3 town pair, 2 town pair + 3 scum) to lynch me.

we will already know the pairs, in the 1st case, we lynch the lone-voter on my wagon, in the second case, we ask the 3-voters ?scums (we don't know yet) to create a pair, leaving 1 voter alone and we lynch that voter

P.S. the scums might decide to drop this whole thing like it (my claim) never happened, however, that means that me and my lovers gets silent-confirmation from town if we are not lynched. Because i this game, you're either town or not town, no in between, by me not getting lynched even when I claim scum, that basically is my confirmation. This narrows it down to 5 pairs, with 3 being town, and 2 being scum.

We can basically random vote and we very well might win, IF we don't, on Day 2, its going to be 50/50 and even if we have no other information, just by guessing we have 50% chance of hitting scum.

With that I'll start the mass-claim.

Me and somestrangeflea are lovers

(I know..lol).