Open 81 - The New C9 - Game Over

[Greasy Spot]

You ask us which we think is scummiest yet there is no case against Strife so how could I possibly decide right now?

What do you mean by "there is no case against Strife"? Do you mean that you don't think he's done anything scummy, or just that no one has pointed out what scummy things he's done?

That's exactly what I mean. I haven't seen anything scummy yet and you and rofl pushing his lynch haven't shown anything that gives cause for his lynch at this time.

[armlx]

That's exactly what I mean. I haven't seen anything scummy yet and you and rofl pushing his lynch haven't shown anything that gives cause for his lynch at this time.

Where has IAUN pushed the strife lynch. He merely said he was scummier then me. This is the exact issue with rofl's question, it commits people to positions they aren't really pushing.

[Lowell]

vote sun tzu

. Keep 'em guessing.

This is the part where I propose the masons out themselves. Discuss.

[armlx]

This is the part where I propose the masons out themselves. Discuss.

No.

[Iron Man]

Lowell: Two questions.

How are you positive that there are masons in the first place.

And second, wouldnt the masons outing themselves be an extremely dumb move?

I dont care what you say, this is probably the biggest role fish I've ever seen.

Unvote, Vote: Lowell

[Lowell]

Good, good, more.

@Iron Man- yes, of course it's a rolefish. And no, I don't know if there are masons. If there aren't any, asking them to reveal doesn't risk much, does it?

The logic is basically: with 2 masons out in the open, it helps town winnow the field of potential lynch candidates, and forces scum to make an awkward and annoying choice. Either they can waste NKs on masons (who have no pro-town abilities other than confirming each others' town-ness), or they can try to kill someone else, hoping that (a) they hit a power role, and (b) they can hide the next day despite there being fewer and fewer viable lynch options.

This seems counterintuitive, but in every game I've been in the town has been better served the earlier the masons reveal.

[armlx]

This is the part where I propose the masons out themselves. Discuss.

No.

I should probably elaborate on this. Why would we want potential masons to claim now, especially with no doc. All that would happen is the mafia/sk would have the best kills possible if they want to kill confirmed townies, and eliminated suspects if they want to try to kill power roles.

[iamausername]

You ask us which we think is scummiest yet there is no case against Strife so how could I possibly decide right now?

What do you mean by "there is no case against Strife"? Do you mean that you don't think he's done anything scummy, or just that no one has pointed out what scummy things he's done?

That's exactly what I mean. I haven't seen anything scummy yet and you and rofl pushing his lynch haven't shown anything that gives cause for his lynch at this time.

So do you think there

is

a case against armlx?

p.s. Outing the masons at this stage is a terrible idea.

[BlakAdder]

Why would we want potential masons to claim now, especially with no doc.

That's not necessarily true. There could be another doctor.

[Iron Man]

Potentially, but for saftey's sake, let's assume there isnt. If we galavant around saying "Oh, there's still a doctor to save me tonight" we all might end up in some serious shit.

[BlakAdder]

True. I guess I was being a little reckless there.

[armlx]

Assuming there isn't is def the right play.

[roflcopter]

ok armlx, your question is probably worded better than mine, but you clearly get the idea of what i was trying to do. you're still scum though.

i actually find myself agreeing with lowell's argument for a mason claim. outed masons either draw nightkills away from power roles that actually have night actions (such as the vig we know we have) or remain as a confirmed-town thorn in the scum's side.

yes lowell asking for the masons to claim is obviously rolefishing, but armlx's rolefishing is worse because no matter what he says about looking for what meta or tell i had that made iron man pro town, what he was really trying to figure out was if i'm a cop.

so i'm just gonna go ahead and do this, sorry iron cause i can see you are against it, but i really think lowell is right.

i am a mason with iron man.

armlx, korts, blakadder and to a lesser extent strangercoug are all looking extremely scummy right now. i think armlx is clearly the play today.

just to clarify, my vote for strife was complete and utter bullshit, whereas my vote for armlx was not, and the reason i paired them and asked who was scummier was to see who was gonna try and keep the attention off of armlx by saying strife when strife really hasn't done anything wrong. korts went one step further by vehemently denying the whole attempt to draw out information. obviously nobody is going along with my request at this point, so i'm just gonna point out now that korts/armlx working so hard to shoot it down is another thing that makes me all but positive that armlx is scum and reasonably sure korts is one of his partners.

[Iron Man]

damn, rofl.

You couldnt make it one day without outing us? Jeez.

Whatever. Dont really mind myself. Although masons can communicate at night, not a lot of good it brings Night 0.

[roflcopter]

at least now people will stop voting me for saying you're obviously town

[StrangerCoug]

roflcopter, if your mason claim is true, then you just gave the Mafia and the serial killer two free hits—you and Iron Man. Do you realize that, not only have you given him away, bur you have also blundered yourself up beyond all recognition? Are you even thinking before you lay one finger on your keyboard!?

[roflcopter]

strangercoug, do you realize that my mason partner just confirmed me and yet you still haven't unvoted? do you even think before you hit the submit button?

[strife220]

Oh my... this is the most content in 3 pages I've ever seen.

Roflcopter, I think your 'trap' was terrible and I think Armix asking you why you were so sure Ironman was town is a null tell.

Unvote

until I get time to analyze posts more closely.

[roflcopter]

whatever you think of my trap, the fact that you say this is the most content in the first three pages you've ever seen means i've done something right for the town.

[armlx]

JUnvote

Rofl, there was no reason to out Iron Man. For future reference, just mason claim should be enough for D1.

[roflcopter]

armlx, it was stupidly, blatantly obvious who my mason partner was if i just claimed mason, thanks to you rolefishing for just that information.

and strangercoug, if the serial killer/mafia take the two free kills on me and iron, then we're serving a very good purpose - getting killed instead of the vig or any other town power role.

[StrangerCoug]

I did not see him confirm before I started typing. Sorry.

I don't intend to unvote at this time, because town or not, you have made a serious,

SERIOUS

blunder that is making it hard to believe your claim. For all I know, Night 0 you could have talked with Iron Man and agreed to fakeclaim mason when it came to that point.

If you must roleclaim a power role during Day 1, wait until lynch -1 to do it.

[armlx]

armlx, it was stupidly, blatantly obvious who my mason partner was if i just claimed mason, thanks to you rolefishing for just that information.

Sigh, you accuse me of role fishing that info out when A) a large number of players pushed your wagon to claim and B) you volunteered the bread crumb.

[roflcopter]

please stop being retarded and unvote

also please stop trying to poison the well of me and my mason buddy with your crackpot theory that we decided on night zero to claim masons. scum would never claim masons except maaaaybe in lylo in a game with a freaking vig, cause its signing a death warrant for both scum if one ever dies.

so i repeat, please stop being retarded and unvote before you get yourself lynched in armlx's place.

[armlx]

The fake mason claim is a very crackpot theory. There is not reason to disbelieve the mason claims at this point in time, and likely for a VERY long time.