**NOTE** I wrote 90% of this post last night at 4 in the morning, but didn't have time to post it because I woke up my dad and he kicked me off the computer. When I started, BB's post was the last thing I had to go on. I put a lot of effort in to my detective work here though, so I want to post it anyways.
@ Charter: I understand what you're asking but the way you phrased the question is wrong. I already said in an earlier post I
was not
defending Had. I only noticed that Tinsley had random voted for Had, and since there hadn't been any discussion yet I thought to myself, "I wouldn't random vote for someone that got Mafia last game because I don't think they'd get it twice in a row." After that popped in my head I decided to get on my computer calculator and figure up just what the percents would be. The fact that so little posting had happened was why I didn't feel like my stat would be seen as a scum move. The post was aimed at Tinsley, not Hadhfang.
@ Netlava: I would have given a detailed explanation in full but Mac happened to explain how he read it a mere hour and a half after Charter (and later Tinsley) said they didn't understand why I didn't mention Charter in the original post. I can tell you how I would have answered in my own words, but Mac
really
hit the nail on the head, and at this point even my own explanation could still be written off as rephrasing Mac's post. I did try to put some extra detail into my post 78 about what I was thinking when I did it, if you'd care to go check that out.
For your second point, I'm really glad you questioned me because I hadn't really put much thought into it yet. I think everyone misread Had's post. He first said
Hadhfang wrote:Hmmm, My thoughts so far are that the SK thing is a bit of a wierd thing to do, but I can't really see anything in Charter's assumption thing really, if i'm honest.
To me this looks like he's referring to Charter's triple post where he assumes 3 then accuses me for assuming 3. Here Had says that's okay. Then later Had says
Hadhfang wrote: Tbh, speculation on 3rd party roles offers us no help at all, until someone makes a hint at their role if they are pro-town. Having said that Lord Guri's post was that there are likely to be either 3 scum or 3 scum and a SK, it was Charter that brought up the speculation about it.
Vote:Charter
The problem I have with this is not that the vote is late, but it looks like Had isn't even talking about the triple post anymore. I
think
he's saying all the speculation on 3rd parties is anti-town because it doesn't help and distracts from scum hunting. I'm confused though because he says this is Charter's fault for "bringing up the speculation about it" but Charter doesn't even touch the idea of a SK or any other 3rd party roles until well after LG brings it up. Hadhfang references LG's post, so I assume he's read it and saw that it was the first to bring up this idea. I don't agree with Had's logic but if I were trying to go down that route it seems like he should be voting LG instead of Charter.
This all really confused me so I spent a lot of time trying to see if I've misread somewhere. (I've had the reply box open for 49 minutes now.) The only other way I can interpret it is if Had means to say LG's SK speculation is okay, and he's voting Charter for questioning it. But if you look back at what Charter's said on 3rd parties I don't even think he's done that. At one point Charter said "the first to bring up SK is more likely to be SK supposedly" but looking at how he phrased it, he doesn't even really think that, he's just saying that's the point other people are trying to make. Based on this, Had really has no grounds on which to accuse Charter either way.
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This is where I picked up today.
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Now, Had has come in and -sort of- clarified the post I was confused on. So he really was saying Charter is at fault for bringing up SK. Charter has already pointed out himself that this never happened, so all I can do is say wtf Had? If I had finished this post last night, I'd have undoubtedly locked in a vote for Hadhfang, but with this cop claim, and BB's claim as well, I'm going to through the option out there of Had trying to prove himself somehow.
If Had is mafia and lying, worse case scenario is he can't prove his claim and we lynch him tomorrow. If Had is telling the truth, we put today's effort into more scum hunting for one of the other mafia and don't lose much ground. I don't really know how to go about proving cop claims though, so if anyone has any ideas, feel free I guess. =/
For now,
strong FoS on Hadhfang
, waiting for the rest of the town's opinion on how to go about testing this claim. Battousai I'm also waiting for you to come in and clear your name.
