Mature Mafia: Game Over

[Talitha]

I can't imagine that anyone in this game would lie about their role after they've been lynched. I think we're good to go ahead and just play mafia.

[mathcam]

Yeah, forget the pledge. I think it is clear enough now that a player better have a damn good reason for doing some editing, and if not, they're likely to be lynched.

As to my previous objections about the lack of mod guidance, I conjecture (maybe everyone figured this out already) that every aspect of the mod's role in a game has been delegated to one of the players. I have one, but I don't see many pros or cons in revealing it at the time.

Some natural questions arise: Is there someone in charge of modkilling? If we're to be expected to be mature here, then my guess is that we're supposed to follow established rules for the game of mafia despite the fact that we have mod powers. In short, our mod powers are to be used only for the explicit functions we were given in our role PM. To this end, it's not unreasonable to insist that if someone has this power and we find out who edited zu's post, that they be modkilled by whoever has that power.

Another question: What happens if a mod-power is in the hands of scum? Is there responsibility to use it in a role-neutral way? I can certainly see instances in which my mod-power could be advantageous in the hands of scum, but I could also see this for most modpowers.

Similarly, what happens if a mod-power gets killed? Will we lose votecounts when Coron dies? Votecounts we could do ourselves, but for some other mod-powers, it's a little less clear.

Okay, now on to some mafia:

Vote: Pooky.

Nothing like being able to completely disavow responsibility for your vote.

Cam

[Phoebus]

I'm here.
Reading.
Connections problems alert.

[rajrhcpfreak]

I don't like rajs post 60 because he throws in more hyperbole in my opinion. He calls axels post an OMGUS and then tosses in the fact that the two people who agreed on an explanation must be scumbuddies. Combine this with his explanation post that also threw the "kitchen sink" around and I don't like it.

people wanted to know why i said it, multiple people. which i find odd because it was just a little comment.

so yes guts don't follow perfect mafia strategy, i cant keep my gut from wifom, etc. so i can see why it seams a little exaggerated. i wasn't using that to convince people. just to show where I'm coming from. i didnt know that every statement you make must have cold hard facts before you say it.


i would like for you to look at the of posts for your self. from my comment to the string of posts asking me to explain. i felt a strong defense from just a little comment by me, and then a reaction from other players defending that player.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Disavowment of Responsbility is a tradition at Mafiascum.

Why you getting worked up over it now Cam?

Cuz vote's on you?

[mathcam]

Funny, I don't remember getting worked up about it. Maybe you could direct me to that post?

Cam

[Macros]

all this propositioning for rules and the like is pointless, if someones of a mind to cheat they're going to do it, all these "50%" agreement rules simply arent feasable. AS I was informed by our mod, we're all big people now, figure it out. We all know the rules of mafia by now, abide by them as much as common sense allows you too.
Its called mature mafia, lets act mature and tell the truth when dead. If you want to cheat go ahead you shall be ridiculed and headhunted post game.
I had a laptop meltdown hence my absence over the weekend.
I'll be back to post properly at lunch time (work blocks scum.net )

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Where is the Sky?

[elvis_knits]

raj, are you scum?

[Axelrod]

The bad lurkers:

Coron - said he would be gone 2-3 days 5 days ago.

Phoebus - said he was here and "reading" 2 days ago. But wait! He has possible internet problems, so see he's not really lurking.

DrippingGoofball - and she's

active

in other games....

People who seem as okay as you can seem considering it's only 83 posts into the game:

logicticus
elvis_knits
Talitha

I don't know about raj. His posts are strange, emotional and not well reasoned. But I also get the feeling he might just be that way in general. I may flip over to someone who's not participating soon unless they, you know, start participating.

[Glork]

p sure that list needs some more Glork on it.


fyi

[Axelrod]

Glork appears to be less on the ball this game then I would normally expect. But it's early, so, yo.

[Glork]

Dude, I'm so protown right now it isn't even funny.


FYI, I am definitely feeing a rajwagon right now.

[Glork]

EBWOP:

Vote: raj

[elvis_knits]

Glork is cute when he tries to bold.

[Glork]

*makes note to bold more often*

Vote: Raj

[Glork]

Hm.

Vote: Glork

[elvis_knits]

Very cute, but you forgot to unvote.

[Glork]

That's the whole point, EK.

[Glork]

EBWOP: Some mods require that one unvotes before re-voting. Others do not. I'm curious to see what the next VC looks like, so that there will be no confusion going forward. (Incidentally, I am also curious to see how Adel's script reads a re-vote without an unvote.)

[rajrhcpfreak]

raj, are you scum?

no

I don't know about raj. His posts are strange, emotional and not well reasoned. But I also get the feeling he might just be that way in general. I may flip over to someone who's not participating soon unless they, you know, start participating.

good posting, thats why I am glad I didnt omgus vote you and stuck with my original gut.

[Adel]

EBWOP: Some mods require that one unvotes before re-voting. Others do not. I'm curious to see what the next VC looks like, so that there will be no confusion going forward. (Incidentally, I am also curious to see how Adel's script reads a re-vote without an unvote.)

I'm not the author of the script. The guys who are writing it have their thread here
and could use some feedback.


I see two paths, either of which could work. The first would be to formulate rules and codify the parameters of this game, the other would be to

all this propositioning for rules and the like is pointless, if someones of a mind to cheat they're going to do it, all these "50%" agreement rules simply arent feasable. AS I was informed by our mod, we're all big people now, figure it out. We all know the rules of mafia by now, abide by them as much as common sense allows you too.
Its called mature mafia, lets act mature and tell the truth when dead. If you want to cheat go ahead you shall be ridiculed and headhunted post game.

if

we are all mature enough to go along with marcos's plan, then it would work. The possible downside is the possibility of huge drama if one player does soemthing, thinking that it is within the bounds of mature action common sense, which other people disagree with. [/mech]

[mathcam]

if someones of a mind to cheat they're going to do it, all these "50%" agreement rules simply arent feasable. AS I was informed by our mod, we're all big people now, figure it out. We all know the rules of mafia by now, abide by them as much as common sense allows you too.
Its called mature mafia, lets act mature and tell the truth when dead. If you want to cheat go ahead you shall be ridiculed and headhunted post game.

We have already had an instance of people editing in-games posts. This is typically considered against the rules. Are you saying that you think this person acted against the rules of the game? Do you think they should be modkilled? Given a site warning?

Cam

[Macros]

meh
If they're editing posts pell mell then they're cheating, if its somekind of role requirement then its not, common sense think is the key feature here. Emptyger expects us to possess a measure of it hence the "mature" mafia. How do we envoke a modkill exactly if we are the mods? a majourity agreement? thats just a lynch surely.

[Glork]

FoS: Macros

The whole "well we can't enforce it aside from lynching, so what's the point in harping on about it" thing reads, to me, that he's trying to egg the scums on into breaking rules that appear to be unenforcable.