Alright, I guess I'll accept that for now.icemanE wrote: Just because I unvoted without providing info on who I WANT to vote for doesn't mean I'm not pursuing people. Truth be told I unvoted because I think it looks much cooler when it looks like:
First, I never "rushed a lynch"; he's only got 3 votes.icemanE wrote:Now, as for why I'm voting Zeek: He's rushed a lynch on Cake for no solid reason, which gives off scum vibes.
My stance at the beginning of the game is to give everyone an equal opportunity by assuming they are town, unless they do an early job proving themselves otherwise, which Cake has not.ZeekLTK wrote:First, I never "rushed a lynch"; he's only got 3 votes.icemanE wrote:Now, as for why I'm voting Zeek: He's rushed a lynch on Cake for no solid reason, which gives off scum vibes.
Second, trying to lynch Cake would only be scummy if he were town. We don't know that he's town. If he is scum, then how am I scummy for pushing for the lynch of scum?
If you are trying to say you know he's town then you must be mafia, because only the mafia know who the townies are at this point.
I'm pretty sure this is a playstyle difference, hence is not a good reason for a vote -- policy votes, I find, areicemanE wrote:My stance at the beginning of the game is to give everyone an equal opportunity by assuming they are town, unless they do an early job proving themselves otherwise, which Cake has not.ZeekLTK wrote:First, I never "rushed a lynch"; he's only got 3 votes.icemanE wrote:Now, as for why I'm voting Zeek: He's rushed a lynch on Cake for no solid reason, which gives off scum vibes.
Second, trying to lynch Cake would only be scummy if he were town. We don't know that he's town. If he is scum, then how am I scummy for pushing for the lynch of scum?
If you are trying to say you know he's town then you must be mafia, because only the mafia know who the townies are at this point.
Can you clarify? I took this to be an attack on Cake, but your response seems to indicate that it wasn't.iceman wrote:My stance at the beginning of the game is to give everyone an equal opportunity by assuming they are town, unless they do an early job proving themselves otherwise, which Cake has not.
Nah, no attack on Cake, I was just responding to what Zeek said:
Can you clarify? I took this to be an attack on Cake, but your response seems to indicate that it wasn't.
Second, trying to lynch Cake would only be scummy if he were town. We don't know that he's town. If he is scum, then how am I scummy for pushing for the lynch of scum?
It's NOT scummy if he DOES turn out to be a mafia member, but we don't KNOW if he IS. Since we don't know he is scum or have any real reason to suspect he is scum, we shouldn't kill him just to find out.How does it not make sense? You said it's scummy of me to want him lynched. But how is it scummy if he turns out to be a mafia member?
Then what exactly did you try to accomplish by saying...ZeekLTK wrote:First, I never "rushed a lynch"; he's only got 3 votes.
Just a wee bit confused here... So you're not pushing for a lynch by saying this then? Man, I must have read that backwards or something then.ZeekLTK wrote:Are we going to lynch ScumCake or what?
This just hurts my brain, please don't tell me you are trying to pass that off as logic.ZeekLTK wrote:Second, trying to lynch Cake would only be scummy if he were town. We don't know that he's town. If he is scum, then how am I scummy for pushing for the lynch of scum?
If you are trying to say you know he's town then you must be mafia, because only the mafia know who the townies are at this point.
I disagree. It might not happen too often, but scum can and probably will lynch each other if they think it makes the lynching scum look very town.icemanE wrote:It's NOT scummy if he DOES turn out to be a mafia member, but we don't KNOW if he IS. Since we don't know he is scum or have any real reason to suspect he is scum, we shouldn't kill him just to find out.ZeekLTK wrote: How does it not make sense? You said it's scummy of me to want him lynched. But how is it scummy if he turns out to be a mafia member?
I assume you're joking there - or can Minis actually have roles like Jesters?Natirasha wrote:unvotebecause Greasy_Spot fails at being a jester.
Johoohno replied withCaptainCake wrote:[..]Now lets look at the reality of the situation. In all honestly your vote is just as random as anyone's and your reasoning for choosing your random vote is that ZeekLTK is the last to confirm. As a random vote that's just fine and everything. However the part that caught me off gaurd is that you were implying your vote was not random and had some form of reason to your choice. [..]
You have not replied to that, so: Why not? I would've thought it would make your "case" stronger and not lighter, since now it's a serious vote with what you characterized as random reasoning and not a random one?Johoohno wrote:I don't see my vote as random, I see ZeekLTK being last to confirm as a possible scum-tell. I know it's not the strongest case but [..]
One wonders what your scumhunting plan is.icemanE wrote: Since we don't know he is scum or have any real reason to suspect he is scum, we shouldn't kill him just to find out.
Or yours.captaincake wrote: It's safe to assume someone is town considering the town is the majority, even so, no one has said that they know I'm town anyways.
Again: You want to lynch him without even presenting a reason why. How is that not scummy?ZeekLTK wrote:lol TDC. Care to explain how me wanting to lynch Cake is scummy? I can see how you might disagree with it. But to add vote #4 to a player who has done nothing scummy looks very badly for you.
It wasn't there when I typed up the post.Also there's the fact that you aren't even paying attention to the thread; there was just a vote count 3 posts above yours...
Why would him being scum explain that "no one jumped on his bandwagon"? Do you think everyone but you here is scum? I don't get it.Look at the situation: No one jumped on his bandwagon but everyone is jumping on mine. Why? Maybe because he's scum and I'm not? Hmmmm....
I'm sorry to inform you but I believe you and Zeek are the minority in thining its a good idea to lynch Cake or anyone else JUST to find out if they're scum. SoTheSweatpantsNinja wrote:One wonders what your scumhunting plan is.icemanE wrote: Since we don't know he is scum or have any real reason to suspect he is scum, we shouldn't kill him just to find out.
Or yours.captaincake wrote: It's safe to assume someone is town considering the town is the majority, even so, no one has said that they know I'm town anyways.
There are a lot of quotes that I could apply this too, and since you all can't be scum, I have a general blanket question:How are you planning to help find scum?I'll give you a hint: Saying every early wagon is based on little logic is not a good strategy.
First and foremost I never used the word bandwagon. Secondly that was not an OMGUS FoS, and I implied an answer to his question about how I plan to hunt for scum using my FoS. I said:TSPN isn't voting for Cake, nor has he said he supports my one-man "bandwagon" (as you've called it - please note that I am the only person voting for Cake currently).
And you also failed to answer his question with your OMGUS FoS.
As you can see I suspect Sweatpants is scum because he supports your idea that its a good idea to lynch people JUST TO FIND OUT IF THEY ARE SCUM. If you have a GOOD REASON to lynch someone (i.e. hard evidence that suggests strongly that they are scum) then its a great idea to lynch them. Currently there is little evidence to suggest that Cake is scum and therefore it would be a grave mistake to lynch him, which you, Zeek, are so eager to do. I don't think we're ready to lynch ANYONE yet since there's NOTHING on this board that is scummy enough to warrant a lynch.So FoS: Sweatpants Ninja. And that's how I plan to find scum.
So you accept what he said, and say he is his scumpartners.TSPN wrote:Alright, I guess I'll accept that for now.
Unvote, vote mafiaSSK.
So, are you iceman's scumpartner or are you just buddying up?
So, everytime a townie is lynched, everyone who votes for him is scummy? Also, you are saying that bandwagoning someone is not scummy?ZeekLTK wrote:Second, trying to lynch Cake would only be scummy if he were town. We don't know that he's town. If he is scum, then how am I scummy for pushing for the lynch of scum?
How are you sure he isn't mafia? Rushing the kill will only give town less time to argue.ZeekLTK wrote:How does it not make sense? You said it's scummy of me to want him lynched. But how is it scummy if he turns out to be a mafia member?
You know what I love? Your over reaction to votes.ZeekLTK wrote:Also I love the votes against me:
One because I wasn't online the day the roles were sent out and thus was the last to confirm
One OMGUS
One "chainsaw defense" of the guy who cast the OMGUS
lol
:Goodposting:TDC wrote:I disagree. It might not happen too often, but scum can and probably will lynch each other if they think it makes the lynching scum look very town.
You should not conclude that someone is town, just because he is "responsible" for a scum lynch (especially if he used poor reasoning).
It's obviously somewhat less scummy than being responsible for a town lynch, but still "pushing" for a lynch implies that you want that person dead, and that means you're either scum or have very good reasons to think (or even know) the lynchee is scum - or even both.
Nothing scummy does not result in 4 votes :teach:TDC wrote:lol TDC. Care to explain how me wanting to lynch Cake is scummy? I can see how you might disagree with it. But to add vote #4 to a player who has done nothing scummy looks very badly for you
Don't answer other people's questions. Don't.ZeekLTK wrote:And you also failed to answer his question with your OMGUS FoS.
No, it's voting for people who start wagons without a reason, and have bad reactions when people call them out. It's actually a pretty good tacticTSPN wrote:So, iceman: your plan is to vote and suspect people who start wagons. All that's going to do is encourage timid play from townies who don't want to get voted for voting someone else.
It is unreliable when it is a set in stone move. But when someone simply jumps on a bandwagon with little to no reasoning, it is usually a scum tell.TSPN wrote:Sorry if I'm being a tad standoffish, but some players are pretty much using the 3rd-vote scumtell, which is unreliable at best, anti-town at worst.