Open 65 - Mini Love (Over!) before 578

[Coron]

Also, I would mention that is much harder to analyse players when you aren't actually changing your own opinion, so that's probably why both Kravhen and I have put it off some(a lot).

[kravhen]

Well some of that, but mostly because I got busy. I havent slept all weekend and I'm still busy today. I'll go downtown to some nice cafe and just re-read the whole game again tomorrow, promise.
And have an analysis ready before friday. Then we can wrap this shiz up.
Good?

[Coron]

I'm still not sure where to allocate my vote... but I'm sure of this.

I'm not voting townies.

I don't care about all the math you can feed me to prove or disprove a point about the lover plan, but guys... This is still mafia. We just keep doing our thang and lynch the scum. That's as simple as I can put it. We got a scum on day 1, pretty good, I'm confident we can get another one if we stop getting distracted by strange and obscure plans about lynching lovers. That's just confusing, the results are debatable and unclear... in other words, it's just not pro-town enough a plan for me to support.

Stop going after lovers. 4 lovers, only 1 scum in there. Just lynch another scum instead.
Just like someone else pointed out, isn't it just better to leave the lovers alive as long as possible? They can act as "untouchables" by scum, because as soon as they kill a single lover, the pairs' alignments are revealed and we pretty much jump on the scum-sheltering pair.

Could you explain completely what you meant in the bolded section? Basically because I'm not sure I understand the whole point of the post.

EBWOP: O shit... just realized there was a deadline.. like NOW.
well crap, thats not much time to work here...
I personally don't have a big of a case on Korts but I do think his giving up stance (multiple times, too) is still odd... Ironically enough, I've done that kind of thing as a townie before because I thought it was cool or honorful and all those pretty colors, so i can sorta relate a bit... so I can't possibly vote him simply for that personally.

I'm officially considering it as a non-tell. But it seems the town has already chosen Korts. I guess now is the time when we wait and cross our fingers.

He says well I don't think Korts is scum(trying to avoid any blame), but whatever the town wants(tries not to derail the bandwagon).

i'm a little confused as to why the mafia wouldn't kill the doc?

To be honest, I'd rather not start a discussion on that. WIFOM reasons.

or because you have more info than other people.

scummy as hell ^^^

Vote: dahill

how is that scummy? i was speculating on why they wouldn't kill the doc, which is the town's only confirmed, not scum power role

Why do YOU think the scum didn't kill ABR if he was the doc?
Since you feel comfortable asking others, I wanna hear your own answer just for the lulz.

then you march right in and do what you say you're against, I guess it's fine as long as it's not being asked to scum right?

Oh.
My bad.
I blame waking up too early today. Im starting to see scum everywhere or something.

that's what happens when you're scum.

I guess the only thing we need to know before we 100% clear ABR is to ask the 'real' doc to claim now.

In the absence of a claim, we can confirm ABR.
Even if this generates a fake claim, then we get a guaranteed scum in a 1 for 1 trade, rather than the 1 for 3 trade when we lynch a lover.

I'm not sure another doc claim is necessary at the moment... ABR is 99% certainly a doc, we got a successful protection last night, things are going smoothly doc-wise, IMO

As far as I can tell, the only thing this post could be useful for is telling his scummates not to counterclaim.

Silence and dahill(in a lesser way), the speed on which you jumped on your horses with the lynching rope is noted.

It looked pretty damn OBVIOUS ABR was joking.

It's a win-win situation, and completely defeats the WIFOM that the scum may have been trying to set up by not killing.

We can't know whether they didnt kill or just landed on doc protection... stop assuming =/

It was obv for you because you knew he was town. The second part I actually agree with, and I might have even said similar things, I don't recall, but he's trying to avoid "clearing people" in the eyes of town, which is something I try to do no matter what if they aren't really cleared, but in the general case I think it is more likely as scum than town.

At this point we reach the point where Kravhen begins the whole freaking out about being found scummy for not voting in the first mafia lynch. Apparently my first reading of it, that clasified it as a thing scum would do was right.

EBWOP: Right... right... Farside is "confirmed town" IF ABR is teh truth...
Then wtf are you doing farside?

Still putting doubt on ABR?

EBWOP: Nvm im at L-1....

I finally give enough a damn about this game to actually read stuff AND think about it lengthly and I wind up at L-1. Interesting.

Detective Kravhen is at work, boys and girls, a lynch at the moment is out of the question.

@Armlx: That's a funny vote right there. I wasn't doing anything to progress the discussion? I have been defending myself for the past page or so, some of it because I thought I was misunderstood and/or didn't clearly grasp why I got honored with 2 votes. Especially from confirmed-townie farside. We're not seeing YOU pitching in your opinions either, what do you think?
You awfully smell like scum trying to slip in a L-1 vote on the bandwagon that's most likely to bear fruit at the moment, while avoiding being the evil hammer.

In addition to this vote, these are other actions of yours that tickle my scumdar:

Holy shit Jex was dumb this game.

I like where her vote was though. Looks a lot like another ongoing with KortS scum to say the least, plus the whole lover lynch push....

First line of the game, possibly you trying to sever links with Jex's past scummy actions as fast as possible. I've thought alot about the fact you kept Jex's vote on Korts but I haven't come up with a conclusion yet.

Ah, but you fail to realize the scum have no incentive to kill the lover pair, especially if Korts is scum and is lynched.

The way that sentence is written, it can almost seem like you were

too

familiar with the scum's incentives to kill or not the lover pair.

The big deal comes around the whole lover mambo jumbo. Almost ALL of your theorizing and arguing revolved around lovers. You proposed scenarios of lover lynching and whatnot. Plainly, you sure liked to talk alot about lover theories... EXCEPT you were also relunctant to come to a decision. Look here:

Basically killing any lovers is disadvantageous for both sides until the game is already more or less over.

After that you blah blah a bit more, and then once again take a step back and away from the lover business, with this post:

I'm not sure. I'm sorta ignoring the whole lover scenario until I absolutely have to decide.

So you talk a lot about lovers, but aren't willing to be involved in any lynching regarding them.

FOS: Armlx

. Chance of Armlx being scum... 80%. Chance he's the treacherous lover if he's scum... 95%. I would vote you but I want my vote to be on Coron at least until he reacts to it a bit.

Cornered scum distancing.

The other things I noticed in my reads that I'm not going to bother quoting every instance of here were, claiming that since things weren't certain we should ignore them. Very few things in mafia, or life, are sure, but we go on anyway. The other thing was that he seemed to OMGUS a lot at various points, against me, against the world, against a brick wall, whatever.

So there, have some stuff to look at, hope you're happy

[farside22]

vote: Coron

By far the scummiest post of the game is your last one. Give me a break. No information. No reason just a vote. If you are town this was a terrible game you played.

What reasons would I need to place that vote? I have a person more or less confirmed town, and a person that is not. Hard choice yes? Absolutely not! Especially after 6 days of total inactivity and weeks of almost complete inactivity. Since you are obviously not scum, I will advise you to remove your vote immediately.

You haven't made a case and if you are going to use the well you are a confirmed townie so my vote is for this other player that is not going to fly.

That is the reason for my vote, I understand fully that it won't convince you in any way that I'm protown, but that's not what I was doing at the time, I was instead placing my vote.

I'm glad I no longer have to worry about the annoying voice in the back of my mind telling me Farside might be scum anymore now, that's nice.

By the way why would it be scummy to vote for you? If I was scum I could just join your vote and end this game now.

[Coron]

vote: Coron

By far the scummiest post of the game is your last one. Give me a break. No information. No reason just a vote. If you are town this was a terrible game you played.

What reasons would I need to place that vote? I have a person more or less confirmed town, and a person that is not. Hard choice yes? Absolutely not! Especially after 6 days of total inactivity and weeks of almost complete inactivity. Since you are obviously not scum, I will advise you to remove your vote immediately.

You haven't made a case and if you are going to use the well you are a confirmed townie so my vote is for this other player that is not going to fly.

That is the reason for my vote, I understand fully that it won't convince you in any way that I'm protown, but that's not what I was doing at the time, I was instead placing my vote.

I'm glad I no longer have to worry about the annoying voice in the back of my mind telling me Farside might be scum anymore now, that's nice.

By the way why would it be scummy to vote for you? If I was scum I could just join your vote and end this game now.

Er, where did I say it was scummy? I said I no longer had to worry about the annoying voice in the back of my head (You had been confirmed town).

[farside22]

oh. I misunderstood what you meant.

[Coron]

Bump

[Coron]

any time Kravhen.

[farside22]

any time Kravhen.

QFT

[Coron]

any time Kravhen.

QFT

He hasn't posted anywhere on MS since his last post here.

[farside22]

Mod: Can we please get a replacement or something.

[Coron]

Um, how about this. You decide who you want to vote, and if it happens to be me, I'll vote myself to finish this game. I don't really think a replacement at this point would be fair.

[farside22]

Um, how about this. You decide who you want to vote, and if it happens to be me, I'll vote myself to finish this game. I don't really think a replacement at this point would be fair.

I'm not adding this game to my win/ loss ratio as town.

vote: Kraven

At least you stuck it out. Pretty sure you are scum.

[Coron]

Nope, we win.

[ThAdmiral]

Vote Count:

Kravhen - 2

(Coron, Farside)

Not Voting -

(Kravhen)

With 3 alive, it is 2 to lynch

The three remaining town members waited tensely in a circle.
"I'm gonna call it how I see it - I know you ain't scum" Coron said, pointing to Farside, "which means you are."

Kravhen didn't respond.

"Let's just talk about this for a second" Farside exclaimed.
Coron grumbled.

Kravhen still didn't respond.

"On second thoughts your probably right." Farside turned to Coron and the two moved in.

Kravhen

was never going to respond again...

As the blood trickled between the gaps in the floor-boards the two survivors knew they had work to do to restore life and love to this battered town. But they would be able to do so filled with optimism and hope, assured by the knowledge that all that threatened their peaceful way of life were now gone.

CONGRATULATIONS TOWN!!!

Survivors:

-

Farside

-

Coron

[ThAdmiral]

I'll do night actions and a summary in a bit.

[Coron]

Um, how about this. You decide who you want to vote, and if it happens to be me, I'll vote myself to finish this game. I don't really think a replacement at this point would be fair.

I'm not adding this game to my win/ loss ratio as town.

You better not.

[eldarad]

erm...yay?

Now that there's only Coron and farside left, it's down to you to repopulate the town. Off you go then...

I don't even remember what happened in this game, to be honest.

[Korts]

Yays. I kinda regret messing around Day 2, sorry, guys.

[farside22]

Um, how about this. You decide who you want to vote, and if it happens to be me, I'll vote myself to finish this game. I don't really think a replacement at this point would be fair.

I'm not adding this game to my win/ loss ratio as town.

You better not.

I'm not. This was a terrible game and part of me felt Kraven was scum, but when you didn't participate in the game I got really suspicious of you.

[Coron]

Um, how about this. You decide who you want to vote, and if it happens to be me, I'll vote myself to finish this game. I don't really think a replacement at this point would be fair.

I'm not adding this game to my win/ loss ratio as town.

You better not.

I'm not. This was a terrible game and part of me felt Kraven was scum, but when you didn't participate in the game I got really suspicious of you.

I was way more active on the last day then Kravhen was. Also, see:

Also, I would mention that is much harder to analyse players when you aren't actually changing your own opinion, so that's probably why both Kravhen and I have put it off some(a lot).

It would have been nice if you had just made up your own opinion a long time ago imho.

[silence]

Yayy!

Btw, why did you not kill the doc immediately?!

[armlx]

We assumed ABR was possibly lying out his ass.

[MeMe]

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