Mini 554 - Mafia in Vollville - Over!!

[Matt_S]

Maybe it's just me, but I'm not finding Oman's bandwagoning helpful.

FoS Oman.

It's easy to say "I was trying to help", but I don't believe it right now.

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Votecount #4

Erg0 - 3 (Adel, Guardian, Oman)

Matt_S - 2 (ChaosOmega, Xylthixlm)
Oman - 2 (Erg0, Jitsu)
pickemgenius - 2 (TrustGossip, Incognito)
Guardian - 2 (opie, Matt_S)
TrustGossip - 1 (pickemgenius)

Not voting - 0 (nobody)

With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.
Deadline for D1: Saturday March 1, 10:55AM GMT+10
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[opie]

To clarify, I have accrued two votes and one fos for:

Taking this game seriously

Taking comments in this game seriously

Wanting others to take this game seriously

Asking others to play this game

Is this a significant mis-categorization? Is there something I've missed?

Actually, those are none of the reason that I voted for you. Seriously.

So a significant mis-categorization? Yes.

Here is why I'm voting for you:

First: (a) you swithched you for to Erg0 without explanation [Post 24]; then, (b) when asked to explain, you reply that it's because of Erg0's "hang" comments, also because he's a "secret Aussie" Post 27; and, (c) you wonder why Erg0 is threatening with day vigs, then comment that he is the best place for votes (Post 43). My initial thoughts were just random stage chatter.

But then, you ask everyone to comment on Erg0's wagon [Post 65]. Which suggested to me that the above comments were serious. I didn't feel (and still don't) that what Erg0 did was worthy of a serious vote. And if they aren't all that serious, then I don't think I should have to explain why I am not on a random wagon.

As I said above [Post 75], I can't figure out why you were/are targetting Erg0 in such a way. It seems suspicious to me.

And now as Jitsu pointed out, it seems odd to demand that everyone explain their stance on Erg0[Post 65], when only a few posts later[Post 74, you don't feel he is most deserving of a vote.

[pickemgenius]

Maybe it's just me, but I'm not finding Oman's bandwagoning helpful.

FoS Oman.

It's easy to say "I was trying to help", but I don't believe it right now.

I was unaware of an Oman wagon, or there really being any wagon for that matter...it's not hard to keep track of this....ofcourse you could say 3 is a bandwagon... i modestly disagree with that.

I don't really like this post, it doesn't really say much.

[vollkan]

We haven't had a mod post since, so it's still possible that Oman's telling the truth.

All my votecounts are edited in red at the top of each page. I figured that was more convenient than having them scattered throughout in individual posts.

[Erg0]

So they are. Points to me for reading.

[Matt_S]

Maybe it's just me, but I'm not finding Oman's bandwagoning helpful.

FoS Oman.

It's easy to say "I was trying to help", but I don't believe it right now.

I was unaware of an Oman wagon, or there really being any wagon for that matter...it's not hard to keep track of this....ofcourse you could say 3 is a bandwagon... i modestly disagree with that.

I don't really like this post, it doesn't really say much.

Not a wagon on Oman. I mean Oman admittedly trying to wagon Erg0.

[pickemgenius]

Maybe it's just me, but I'm not finding Oman's bandwagoning helpful.

FoS Oman.

It's easy to say "I was trying to help", but I don't believe it right now.

I was unaware of an Oman wagon, or there really being any wagon for that matter...it's not hard to keep track of this....ofcourse you could say 3 is a bandwagon... i modestly disagree with that.

I don't really like this post, it doesn't really say much.

Not a wagon on Oman. I mean Oman admittedly trying to wagon Erg0.

Is there a problem with Oman trying to start a wagon on Erg0?

[Matt_S]

Maybe it's just me, but I'm not finding Oman's bandwagoning helpful.

FoS Oman.

It's easy to say "I was trying to help", but I don't believe it right now.

I was unaware of an Oman wagon, or there really being any wagon for that matter...it's not hard to keep track of this....ofcourse you could say 3 is a bandwagon... i modestly disagree with that.

I don't really like this post, it doesn't really say much.

Not a wagon on Oman. I mean Oman admittedly trying to wagon Erg0.

Is there a problem with Oman trying to start a wagon on Erg0?

There's not a problem per se, but he says the reason is to start discussion. There's much better ways to get a discussion going. His reason sounds to me like an excuse to justify the bandwagon.

[pickemgenius]

Maybe it's just me, but I'm not finding Oman's bandwagoning helpful.

FoS Oman.

It's easy to say "I was trying to help", but I don't believe it right now.

I was unaware of an Oman wagon, or there really being any wagon for that matter...it's not hard to keep track of this....ofcourse you could say 3 is a bandwagon... i modestly disagree with that.

I don't really like this post, it doesn't really say much.

Not a wagon on Oman. I mean Oman admittedly trying to wagon Erg0.

Is there a problem with Oman trying to start a wagon on Erg0?

There's not a problem per se, but he says the reason is to start discussion. There's much better ways to get a discussion going. His reason sounds to me like an excuse to justify the bandwagon.

How else are you supposed to start convo, then with a good ol random BW?

[Matt_S]

Maybe it's just me, but I'm not finding Oman's bandwagoning helpful.

FoS Oman.

It's easy to say "I was trying to help", but I don't believe it right now.

I was unaware of an Oman wagon, or there really being any wagon for that matter...it's not hard to keep track of this....ofcourse you could say 3 is a bandwagon... i modestly disagree with that.

I don't really like this post, it doesn't really say much.

Not a wagon on Oman. I mean Oman admittedly trying to wagon Erg0.

Is there a problem with Oman trying to start a wagon on Erg0?

There's not a problem per se, but he says the reason is to start discussion. There's much better ways to get a discussion going. His reason sounds to me like an excuse to justify the bandwagon.

How else are you supposed to start convo, then with a good ol random BW?

As in bandwagoning a random person? I don't like that. Like you said, different people consider different things a bandwagon. I got the impression that Oman wanted the wagon on Erg0 to get bigger than the 3 votes it had, and I'm not comfortable with doing that just to get a random wagon going.

[Matt_S]

Mod: I unvoted Xylthixlm, but you have me as voting for Guardian and him.

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Fixed, thanks.

[pickemgenius]

Maybe it's just me, but I'm not finding Oman's bandwagoning helpful.

FoS Oman.

It's easy to say "I was trying to help", but I don't believe it right now.

I was unaware of an Oman wagon, or there really being any wagon for that matter...it's not hard to keep track of this....ofcourse you could say 3 is a bandwagon... i modestly disagree with that.

I don't really like this post, it doesn't really say much.

Not a wagon on Oman. I mean Oman admittedly trying to wagon Erg0.

Is there a problem with Oman trying to start a wagon on Erg0?

There's not a problem per se, but he says the reason is to start discussion. There's much better ways to get a discussion going. His reason sounds to me like an excuse to justify the bandwagon.

How else are you supposed to start convo, then with a good ol random BW?

As in bandwagoning a random person? I don't like that. Like you said, different people consider different things a bandwagon. I got the impression that Oman wanted the wagon on Erg0 to get bigger than the 3 votes it had, and I'm not comfortable with doing that just to get a random wagon going.

But would you not agree that starting random wagons springboard discussion? L-3 L-2 even on an early random BW isn't all that bad.

[Adel]

unvote, vote:opie

obvscum trying to hard to be seen scumhunting.
This vote is good through to his lynch, which should take about six pages.

[Erg0]

I'm going to go ahead and assume that Oman knows me well enough by now to know that trying to start a serious bandwagon on me without any real evidence wouldn't work. Based on that, I believe that he really was just trying to get some discussion going, rather than trying to start a serious wagon.

I'm going to have a look at opie and see what I think.

[Matt_S]

But would you not agree that starting random wagons springboard discussion? L-3 L-2 even on an early random BW isn't all that bad.

Yeah, it gets lots of discussion, but I don't think trying to make a random bandwagon is the best way to do it. It certainly wouldn't be the first thing I'd try. Seems to be putting him in the spotlight more than Erg0, which I doubt was his intention.

As for opie, he does seem to be trying pretty hard, referencing all the posts and whatnot, but I don't think that's voteworthy by itself.

[Adel]

it is lynch-worthy, not just vote worthy.

Also, there is nothing wrong with random bandwagons, as they are especially useful for identifying players who are trying to lynch off of weak evidence. Just look at opie, who will be today's lynch.

[opie]

Adel, why are you so convinced that I will be lynched today? In six pages no less?

Is this based on another algorithm?

And, you're wrong again.

[TrustGossip]

The day you take Adel at utter face value is the day you hang up your scumhunting hat for good.

[Xylthixlm]

I don't really like this post, it doesn't really say much.

At first I thought pickemgenius was referring to his

own

post. I agree it doesn't say much, but I was wondering why he pointed it out....

How else are you supposed to start convo, then with a good ol random BW?

You could start pointless arguments about the meaning of words, or you could fake-daykill random players. Although personally, I was almost hoping that one of those daykills was real. The whole "I'm voting X because X voted Y for a bad reason" "But that's a bad reason to vote X" thing is so ... boring.

Guardian's vote on Erg0 was random, and really, we

do

need a bandwagon. I don't see anything wrong with any of his other posts either. opie's attack on him in post 101 seems unfounded.

It's not much to go on, but it's a start. The fact that opie already has a bandwagon going is a bonus.

Unvote Matt_S, vote opie

[TrustGossip]

Opie doesn't have a bandwagon, he has Adel.

Also:

LOL TOO TOWNIE ROFL

Vote: Xylthixlm

[Xylthixlm]

LOL TOO TOWNIE ROFL

Vote: Xylthixlm

I love you too.

[TrustGossip]

;P

[Oman]

Jitsu: It was a joke argument. Also, early wagons are a good scumhunting tool. I believe that to my very soul.

Oman, could you provide links to these previous games you're citing, namely the location of the thread in Urban Dead Mafia where you tried this stunt before? Is citing these previous games actually of relevance to this game?

Only that I was town in UD mafia. I'll try to find it. My kill

I got the impression that Oman wanted the wagon on Erg0 to get bigger than the 3 votes it had, and I'm not comfortable with doing that just to get a random wagon going.

Please link or quote where I said this. No, seriously. What you infer from my posts is not my fault.

I'm going to go ahead and assume that Oman knows me well enough by now to know that trying to start a serious bandwagon on me without any real evidence wouldn't work.

BM's Mystery Mafia. Rather than try to get a wagon going on you we NKed you (now watch Erg0 get NKed and the WIFOM be thrown onto me). You're a tough one to argue against unless you ARE scum.

but I don't think trying to make a random bandwagon is the best way to do it. It certainly wouldn't be the first thing I'd try.

Thats why I'm a better mafia-hunter than you. I got you talking didn't I? Case closed.

The day you take Adel at utter face value is the day you hang up your scumhunting hat for good.

This is probably the first ever TG post where I've agreed.

You could start pointless arguments about the meaning of words, or you could fake-daykill random players.

Cause they both worked? Seriously, this bandwagon kicked off a ton already.

I am hereby connecting Erg0 with Matt_S.

Congrats guys.

[Erg0]

You just want me to lynch him.

[Xylthixlm]

Opie doesn't have a bandwagon, he has Adel.

Oops! I somehow confused opie with Oman. My bad.

It's time to get a bandwagon on opie started anyways.