Mini 552: X-Men mafia (Game Over!)

[farside22]

Unvote: Vote: Pug

Something needs to be said and bandwangons sometime promote discusion.

[Pug89]

Sorry I'm still here. There's just not much going on right now.

[ooba]

Sorry I'm still here. There's just not much going on right now.

Well there is now ..

Vote : Pug89

[Johoohno]

Sorry I'm still here. There's just not much going on right now.

Well there is now ..

Vote : Pug89

Nope, nothing going on actually (since you need to unvote before you vote someone new - how could you've missed that after the rules been scrutinized earlier).

[Korts]

thanks for the example, lloyd, but that's not likely to happen anytime soon, methinks.

[ooba]

Sorry I'm still here. There's just not much going on right now.

Well there is now ..

Vote : Pug89

Nope, nothing going on actually (since you need to unvote before you vote someone new - how could you've missed that after the rules been scrutinized earlier).

I stand corrected.

However i did not notice the vote already on pug from the random vote stage previously. Do not want to put him at L-2 so ill just

Unvote

for now

For a game about X-men, this game is sooo dull. And we've exhausted one week of our three week deadline ..

[farside22]

The worst part is when no one talks it is hard to pick up tells from anyone. Right now it's like shotting in the dark trying to figure anything out.

[Korts]

Let's just start this! I'm gonna claim. I'm the Beast.

[ooba]

Let's just start this! I'm gonna claim. I'm the Beast.

Claiming does not give any advantages to the town. Here's why :

i) Scum will be able to deduce which players are power roles based on the character. Outing power roles is bad for the town

ii) If our objective is to catch scum in a attempting a 'good character' claim which another player has, it might fail because they could have and mostly would have been given fake claims by the mod

iii) Even if they do not have fake claims , we should arrange the claim order in order of which players we think are scummiest first to catch them in a wrong claim.

But this is a good conversation starter and i'm sure all players will have something to say about this - a good kick start to the sleepy town like you said ..

[farside22]

Claiming is not good and really should not be done unless you are close to being lynched. I learned claiming in a game early is bad and most people just vote for you for doing so in the first place.

[logicticus]

Great job on kick starting conversation, but are you serious? Maybe I am too cynical, but it looked like some sarcasm.

[Korts]

Yeah, kick starting was the plan.

[Johoohno]

#1 How many of you have been in a themed game? (I have been in one)
#2 With name claim? (Yupp, happened in that themed game)
#3 That worked out to the benefit of the town? (It was partly beneficial, the name claim didn't isolated lead to the scums - they had some safe fake claims - but it helped some, at the cost of a few townies).

[farside22]

#1 How many of you have been in a themed game? (I have been in one)
#2 With name claim? (Yupp, happened in that themed game)
#3 That worked out to the benefit of the town? (It was partly beneficial, the name claim didn't isolated lead to the scums - they had some safe fake claims - but it helped some, at the cost of a few townies).

#3 is a no. It helped scum more in one game i'm currently in so i can't discuss. Second day claim helped in one game that is over, but the person who claimed first day was killed. So I never recommend first day claim.

[Korts]

Great job on kick starting conversation, but are you serious? Maybe I am too cynical, but it looked like some sarcasm.

I like being sarcastic. Was I sarcastic? Whoo! I'm sarcastic!
Just think what you like about my claim, and do share, we'd like to discuss.

[Korts]

#1 How many of you have been in a themed game? (I have been in one)
#2 With name claim? (Yupp, happened in that themed game)
#3 That worked out to the benefit of the town? (It was partly beneficial, the name claim didn't isolated lead to the scums - they had some safe fake claims - but it helped some, at the cost of a few townies).

1: never. never again, if it's always this slow.
2: see 1.
3. see 2.

[farside22]

#1 How many of you have been in a themed game? (I have been in one)
#2 With name claim? (Yupp, happened in that themed game)
#3 That worked out to the benefit of the town? (It was partly beneficial, the name claim didn't isolated lead to the scums - they had some safe fake claims - but it helped some, at the cost of a few townies).

1: never. never again, if it's always this slow.
2: see 1.
3. see 2.

This is the second slowest themed mafia game I've been in. They are not all this bad. Some people just need a good swift kick sometime.

[Pug89]

Let's just start this! I'm gonna claim. I'm the Beast.

Claiming does not give any advantages to the town. Here's why :

i) Scum will be able to deduce which players are power roles based on the character. Outing power roles is bad for the town

ii) If our objective is to catch scum in a attempting a 'good character' claim which another player has, it might fail because they could have and mostly would have been given fake claims by the mod

iii) Even if they do not have fake claims , we should arrange the claim order in order of which players we think are scummiest first to catch them in a wrong claim.

But this is a good conversation starter and i'm sure all players will have something to say about this - a good kick start to the sleepy town like you said ..

I agree with ooba. Another thing to keep in mind, even if we believe that Korts is Beast it doesn't necessarily mean he is not mafia. It's not uncommon for characters to have a different role in a theme game than what would be expected based of of the source material.

[Monkey]

Let's just start this! I'm gonna claim. I'm the Beast.

Kill Korts

[ooba]

Another thing to keep in mind, even if we believe that Korts is Beast it doesn't necessarily mean he is not mafia. It's not uncommon for characters to have a different role in a theme game than what would be expected based of of the source material.

Maybe like an X-men alternate universe (parallel universe) setting.

[Adele]

#1 How many of you have been in a themed game? (I have been in one)
#2 With name claim? (Yupp, happened in that themed game)
#3 That worked out to the benefit of the town? (It was partly beneficial, the name claim didn't isolated lead to the scums - they had some safe fake claims - but it helped some, at the cost of a few townies).

Yes, yes, no. A good mod will make it so claims have equal or greater downsides to upsides in early play and certainly so a day 1 mass nameclaim hurts the town. It only really gives the scum info, since they should have safeclaims or, in a universe as extensive as X-men, be able to fakeclaim pretty safely. For example, I wouldn't put it past any good mod to provide as thouroughly and certainly a good guy as - well, Xavier - to Mystiquescum.

I was in a theme once where Buffy (BTVS) was SK. That felt a little bastardy, but was really fair game. It's the duty of the mod to make the game unbreakable.

Rule of mafia #3: Don't gamble on the mod being sucky.

[Korts]

Well, so everyone agrees I'm stupid? Gee, thanks.

Maybe like an X-men alternate universe (parallel universe) setting.

For the sake of arguing, I don't seem to remember any alternate universe where Beast was evil. Do correct me if I'm wrong, though.

[Pug89]

For the sake of arguing, I don't seem to remember any alternate universe where Beast was evil. Do correct me if I'm wrong, though.

Beast was evil in the Age of Apocalypse storyline and I think he crossed over to the main Marvel universe but I'm not overly familiar with the comics.

I was in a theme once where Buffy (BTVS) was SK. That felt a little bastardy, but was really fair game.

I was in this game too. This was the example I was thinking of when I made my last post.

[Korts]

Beast was evil in the Age of Apocalypse storyline and I think he crossed over to the main Marvel universe but I'm not overly familiar with the comics.

Well, okay. Thing is, I'm not very familiar with them either, and I just skimmed over the articles about X-Men. So okay.

[Korts]

Sorry I'm still here. There's just not much going on right now.

Well there is now ..

Vote : Pug89

Reading back, I think this post is deserving of some scrutiny. Pug had several votes on him already, although nowhere near a lynch. And the reason for the bandwagon was Pug's prolonged absence, while ooba decided to jump on when Pug had already shown up.

Ooba's failure to unvote, therefore failure to place his vote on Pug, is another matter, and not very relevant imo.