Mini 550: KSFV: Game Over

[SensFan]

I fail to see why you are concerned about the possibility of a Jester. With every lynch the town makes, there is a chance of losing to a jester. Guess what, there is almost never talk of a jester. It looks to me like you want to have an "out" from voting the player that is scummiest.

As for the role claims, I would assume he is just either being comedic, or being dumb. This is, early day 1, after all. Normally, I would be making funny posts, too, but I happened to see something you posted, and it looked very suspicious.

[ryan]

It's suspicious that I tried to figure out what somebody was coming up with crazy role claims?

[SensFan]

No, that's perfectly normal behavior. Attributing it to a rare, bastard-moddy, overly-scummy role right off the bat rubbed me the wrong way.

[armlx]

I believe this has been cited many times before, but mentioning the jester first is a big scum tell as it just adds more confusion to logic processes.

[vIQleS]

unvote - vote:SensFan

I think you doth protest too much...

[vIQleS]

epwop:

unvote - vote: SensFan

[SensFan]

Just to clarify, the vote is because you feel I'm being too adamant in my attack on ryan, correct?

[aioqwe]

Major FoS: aioqwe

, read post 32. More importantly, why would you support my vote if you didn't know the reasoning?

Ah sorry I seem to only have read the first part

Why would you support something you don;t the know the reason behind? If you support it why aren't you calling out ryan on it? and what exactly are you calling out if you don't know why exactly you agree with sensefan? And if you're calling out ryan on something he has done, then why are you telling him not to talk? If you feel like he is scum then he should defend himself, but if you feel he should not then you must be certain that he is, in which case why aren't you voting for him? Your statement does not fly, it just wreaks of scummyness. It is a scum tactic to hide behind other people's opinions so they don't have to justify their own.

FoS: aioqwe

When sensfan pointed out scuminess I went back and looked and felt ryan was scummy.

I'm not calling him out so much because we were on page 2 and I could still felt we were far enough in rvs that I wouldn't need to change my vote... yet.

My reasoning was ryan is insisting on the possibility of a jester. From what I have read, albeit small amount of reading, jesters seem to be an uncommon role. The suggestion makes me suspicious because he is imposing unnecessary fears on the town. Ryan insists that he is more like jester in 21 and 29 instead of accepting the possibility of a jester gambit or post-restriction. As for narrow mindedness, ryan could be accused of the same but in reverse seeing as how he is focusing on the possibility that GS is jester.

Again, I skimmed through 32. In my eyes, Sensfan had called out ryan, ryan had asked why, and I was waiting for sensfan's reasoning. The reason I was withholding my own reasoning is if sensfan might have been some reason to withhold his reasoning and I felt posting my own might infringe upon his tactic

I'm trying to say with an opinion. Why do you believe he's come out with 4 different role claims?

2 possibilities have already been posted that you are too eager to dismiss, jester gambit and post-restriction.

Now I'll

unvote, vote: ryan

Side-question: would the mafia attempt to take out a jester? If the jester is being too annoying, the town may wish to take out the jester. A lynch would cause the jester to win and scum to loose. Hence is it reasonable to assume they would nk the jester to prevent town from taking such actions?

Furthermore, does anyone see the possibility of ryan/ GS pair? GS makes absurd jester gambit and ryan suggests the possibility of VI making everyone fear a vote?

[Unity]

Well, not that my .02 matters, but when I saw his role-claims, I thought he was just trying to stir up conversation on a brand-new thread. In my experience games can sometimes start off slow, and sometimes never pick up speed. Looks like he did a good job of it too. I guess he could be the jester, but it seems like he's being too obvious about it.

[Unity]

First, what's a VI?

Second, as far as a Ryan/GS scumpair, I think I'd lean more towards a Ryan/ SensFan pair. Coming out of the gate bickering hardcore, that way if either one gets strung up the other is exonerated.

[aioqwe]

presumably vi is village idiot

GS hasn't posted anything informative yet. If doesn't post anything solid, I'm willing to lynch him, or get a vig or something (if we have one) to kill GS.

I think ryan/sf is plausible but unlikely. I think their bickering is more real then set up. Furthermore, I wouldn't auto-exonerate anyone for a little bickering immediately following RVS.

[Unity]

OK call me a noob. What's an RVS?

[Joubert]

Probably refers to the initial random voting at the beginning of a game...

R

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V

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S

ession, or something like that...

Anyways, I'm not very comfortable with the Ryan/SensFan altercation and what ensued. Ryan evoqued the possibility of a Jester, and Aioqwe votes him (not a FoS, but a full-fledged vote) for that. The thing is, Jesters DO exist. Unless we are 100% sure there's no Jester in this game, thinking there could be one is not out of the question...

[SensFan]

Joubert, you say Jesters DO exist. As I said a few posts back, I've played over 20 games on MS, likely read about 30 more. Never have I seen a Jester.

[aioqwe]

Probably refers to the initial random voting at the beginning of a game...

R

andom

V

ote

S

ession, or something like that...

Anyways, I'm not very comfortable with the Ryan/SensFan altercation and what ensued. Ryan evoqued the possibility of a Jester, and Aioqwe votes him (not a FoS, but a full-fledged vote) for that. The thing is, Jesters DO exist. Unless we are 100% sure there's no Jester in this game, thinking there could be one is not out of the question...

If he said that he might be a jester I might be okay with it. But the fact that he is so adamant about it is what bothers me. Furthermore, he is hypocritical in that he disregards other possibilities for GS's erratic posts and admonishes sensfan for him (SF) not being able to accept the possibility of VI.

Besides, what's my vote going to do, I think he's at 2 or 3 and it's 7 to lynch. Oh no! He's so close to lynch.

And you're right about rvs= random vote session.

[Greasy Spot]

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I am the Slots Manager. One of my customers just won the Jackpot. He can not get his money until tomorrow.

[thinktank]

Lol Greasy spot, just lol. What is that your 5th claim in 3 days? I've lost count. It seems to me like there are three possibilities,

1) You are the jester and intentionally trying to get lynched which may be why you're posting so little.

2) you're playing a jester gambit when you're actually scum.

3) You're a townie but a terrible one at that cause you're not helping town, only causing confusion.

Of the fears that I have of you beign a jester are someone unreasonable just based on statistics as others have claiemd as well. Which leads me to believe that you are either scum or just a bad townie. either way you're not helping town so i suggest perhaps you may want to start contributing relevant stuff before you get wagoned.

[ryan]

Joubert, you say Jesters DO exist. As I said a few posts back, I've played over 20 games on MS, likely read about 30 more. Never have I seen a Jester.

I can't link it (because it's ongoing) but a current game I'm modding HAS a jester in it, they are not that uncommon. Also I never said that we couldn't have scum pretending to be a jester but to do it that early I found strange and didn't put much weight into it. Scum normally sit back and let the town pick eachother off and than they swoop in when they find something somewhat questionable and take it up a notch and paint that townie to be scum.............hmmm that sounds familiar doesn't it SensFan?

[Mr_Gnome_It_All]

Lol Greasy spot, just lol. What is that your 5th claim in 3 days? I've lost count. It seems to me like there are three possibilities,

1) You are the jester and intentionally trying to get lynched which may be why you're posting so little.

2) you're playing a jester gambit when you're actually scum.

3) You're a townie but a terrible one at that cause you're not helping town, only causing confusion.

Or as mentioned earlier...

4) He has the worst posting restriction ever devised.

[Rosso Carne]

ignoring GS

thats just a shitty PR and hes probably town.

[SensFan]

Joubert, you say Jesters DO exist. As I said a few posts back, I've played over 20 games on MS, likely read about 30 more. Never have I seen a Jester.

I can't link it (because it's ongoing) but a current game I'm modding HAS a jester in it, they are not that uncommon. Also I never said that we couldn't have scum pretending to be a jester but to do it that early I found strange and didn't put much weight into it. Scum normally sit back and let the town pick eachother off and than they swoop in when they find something somewhat questionable and take it up a notch and paint that townie to be scum.............hmmm that sounds familiar doesn't it SensFan?

If you're implying that I "sat back", I would disagree quite a bit. I accused you on page 1.

Also, you putting a bad role in a game you're modding won't convince me at all that this game is even remotely likely to have a jester.

[ryan]

Yes an accusation on Page 1..........BRILLIANT approach.

[Lloyd]

Unvote

Vote GreasySpot

[Unity]

@ Mod: Can we get a vote count?

[aioqwe]

Unvote

Vote GreasySpot

Just a weee bit of reason please?

GS's first game has a jester in it... He (GS) is town, but it's still ongoing... If that helps anyone...