Thespival Mafia (Denouement)
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Greasy Spot Goon
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mith Godfather
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Greasy Spot Goon
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mith Godfather
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Greasy Spot Goon
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(It should go without saying, but I'll say it anyway:
DO NOT LIE if you are innocent. Aside from the general Lynch All Liars metagame practice - and you will be found out if you lie, sooner or later - it completely screws up the plan. The real Jester will counterclaim you, we'll assume that one of you is scum, and BAD THINGS will happen.)-
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mith Godfather
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Greasy Spot Goon
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mith Godfather
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Are you the Jester or not? This is not a difficult question. We have conclusively shown that if you are the Jester you should say so, and that was before my threat of lynching you. Obviously if you are innocent you should say that too. The only reason for your waffling is if you are scum and aren't sure what to do. So, I ask again: Are you scum?-
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Greasy Spot Goon
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wolfcrier Townie
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mith Godfather
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mith Godfather
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PookyTheMagicalBear Pooky got your back
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Greasy Spot Goon
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Greasy Spot Goon
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Just because I don't say who I am doesn't mean I'm scum. Maybe I think you're scum.mith wrote:Vote: Greasy Spot
I don't think he's the Jester (rereading - he would've known his own win condition if he were), and I think he would'vesaidhe wasn't by now if he were innocent. I think we've got our first scum.
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petroleumjelly he/him/hisThirteenthly, ...he/him/his
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As much as I enjoy voting Dani Banani, I clearly need toVote: Greasy Spot.
The logic here is very simple (although I could go into amuchmore nuanced description, I do not have the time).
The Jester needs to make sure theyare not nightkilled- if that happens, theylose. By not claiming, the Jester runs the riskevery single night of losing automatically. However, the mafia hasabsolutely no incentive to nightkill a Jester. Why? Because if push comes to shove, if the game gets down to a situation such as the following:
1 Mafia
1 Town
1 Jester
The Mafia would rather havethatsituation over:
1 Mafia
2 Town
In the first situation, the Mafiaat the very leastis going to place either first or second; if the Townsperson votes for the Mafia, the Mafia will need to settle for second place and allow the Jester to win - this will be done in order to avoid a full loss. In the second situation, the mafia has a chance atlosing completely.
A partial win is better than no win at all, and assuming complete rationality in the mafia, the best move for the Jester is to claim right off the bat.
All players should bemostconcerned withmaking sure they do not lose. There are essentially two choices:
A.) You are either 1st or 2nd
B.) You are either 1st or 3rd
If the Jester doesnotclaim, they are opting for Choice B. But why settle for the possibility of being last when you can instead solidate yourself with Çhoice A?"Logic? I call that flapdoodle."-
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petroleumjelly he/him/hisThirteenthly, ...he/him/his
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To be clearer: being second isnot the same the losing- it is still a win, except you are simplythe second faction to win. Only third place is "losing".
The only exception is that if the Jester is nightkilled (or lynched Day One - whichwill not happen if the Jester claims). In that case, there is only one winner - either the town or the mafia."Logic? I call that flapdoodle."-
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Greasy Spot Goon
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mith Godfather
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mith Godfather
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petroleumjelly he/him/hisThirteenthly, ...he/him/his
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Use some logic, please.Jester Role wrote:You win if and only if you are lynched on any day except the first.
If the Jester diesany method other than lynching past day one, the Jestercannot win, and thereforeloses.
Exactly.Greasy Spot wrote:And any place other than winning is losing.
It is possible for both the Town and the Jester to win. It is also possible for the Mafia and the Jester to win. The order of winning does not matter - what matters is that factions avoidlosing, which the Jester does if they are nightkilled."Logic? I call that flapdoodle."-
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Greasy Spot Goon
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petroleumjelly he/him/hisThirteenthly, ...he/him/his
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Right-o. Jester needs to not be nightkilled.
Now Greasy Spot, riddle me this: can you think ofanyway the Jester can avoid being nightkilledotherthan claiming Jester?
As demonstrated, the Mafia has absolutely no incentive to nightkill the Jester, because the Jester may well be the tool they need in the end to help make sure the Mafia avoids losing."Logic? I call that flapdoodle."
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