Sorry, I neglected this in my last post:
shaka!! wrote:I think he is right on the money here, Retro. Where did you get that idea from?
I explained this early in post 97.
Without meaning to get deeply back into the Khelvaster thing, Glork, did you think a vote for role-fishing at that point was reasonable? If anyone else wants to answer this too, please feel free.
I'll give some details of my suspicion of OGML and Trebis. It begins with Trebis and a few posts he made early in the game, one which Glork already mentioned. I didn't bother bringing them up at the time but after OGML took at vote off him after the slightest bit of pressure, I decided there may be more to it.
Here are the posts I noted from Trebis:
Trebis, post 24 (fixed quote tag) wrote:RetroDucts wrote:I don't think I want to random vote this time. I actually think Tarhalindur could be onto something.
Vote: Khelvaster
I wouldn't try to deduce much from this. I've played with Khelvaster before, and he has a tendency to do things like that.
This seemed unnecessary and an almost too eager, unprompted defence. When the post was made, I felt it was too early to make anything of it.
Trebis, post 51 wrote:Mizzy wrote:Unvote since random votes don't seem to be doing much now.
Subtle attempt at looking more pro-town? No way to prove it one way or the other, but I'm just throwing that out there.
This sounds opportunistic. Throwing suspicion out there for something I think wasn't worth publicly noting at that point.
Trebis, post 53 wrote:I seriously doubt the scum would try to get a claim out of a townie THIS early in the game.
Glork covered this one.
Trebis, post 106 wrote:I'm gonna agree too with Mizzy.
This whole encounter between Khelvaster and Retro Ducts just confused me and turned me off to the game more than anything. I don't know what it was about it, but I had a hard time following everyones arguments without my eyes glazing over.
All-in-all right now I feel like it's a case of two townies arguing with eachother, which is never a good precedent to set in a game. I've seen too many games where Day 1 gets stuck between two townies duking it out, and at the end of the day the only logical conclusion is to lynch one of the two of them. And of course in the end, you learn they're both town.
My issue with this is mostly that it sounds like Trebis hasn't really put much thought into the exchange between Khelvaster and me (I've bolded the relevant section of the post), which make the following paragraph all the more questionable. How could he claim to have read it as two townies arguing if he didn't even know what it was about? He even goes as far as to relate the situation to where mislynches take place, almost as if to foreshadow the outcome of the Day.
On to OGML:
OhGodMyLife, post 61 wrote:Khel, you're clearly overreacting to the mini bandwagon that formed on you. Pressure vote can mean a lot more than pressing for a role claim, and you've been reacting poorly under the pressure so far.
I asked him to clarify what he meant by a poor reaction because this post seemed to remain fairly ambiguous on what Khelvaster's reaction meant, in terms of alignment. There were negative connotations, but nothing that really began to commit either way. He later elaborated:
OhGodMyLife, post 95 wrote:I think Khelvaster's reaction was poor just because it was so jumpy. The only reason to come to such an early conclusion about rolefishing in my eyes is if you've got something making you think people are going to be coming at you. Which isn't specifically pro- or anti-town, just notable.
... which, again, is quite ambiguous - even accommodating.
His unvote of Trebis still doesn't sit well with me and I'm waiting on his reply to my last question.
There are a lot of players I don't have a good read on, so I think I'll need to reread. It seems like there are a few players have been going unnoticed so far.
Myself, once past the random vote stage, I try and only vote for people I would not regret lynching and use FoS to point out a target before I am 100% ready to see them die.
