Mini 1875: Pine's Death Trap Post Game - Town win!


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Post Post #525 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:15 pm

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In post 502, Cooperative Sheep wrote:The above within the concept that Gerry is scum, naturally.
I really dislike how they keep batting about their potential scum reads, meanwhile voting somebody who isn't even mentioned as a tertiary scum read.

It doesn't make any sense.
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Post Post #526 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:26 pm

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In post 521, Grendel wrote:
In post 443, gerryoat wrote:Key is town. Grendel is at like L-1 i think lol. I mean i think he's different rn compared to his town game, but give him time to respond at least we are only 18 pages in
I take up the position that the game state needs.

In games with an unproductive roster I'm much more aggressive. In games with hyper posters I'm more laid back.

Plus I was too tired the other day to do one of my elaborate opening posts w/ reaction test.

My play here has been very different from 1830, and I'm honestly surprised you haven't been pushing that point harder if you were truly scum reading me.
Well, it's because RC has been acting like a manbaby. I did point out that your game was different, but how do you expect me to scumread you very hard. I wanted to give you more time
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Post Post #527 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:28 pm

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I think Key/Sheep/Rau might all be town.

I TR key the most and maybe sheep after that.
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Post Post #528 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:29 pm

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In post 523, Grendel wrote:
In post 518, Vifam wrote:Tbh I just voted for you cuz I felt like sheeping
You felt like sheeping 17 pages into the game but didn't feel like it at that start.

Why?
I figured Rau was town by then and just wanted to apply pressure somewhere else
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Post Post #529 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:30 pm

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In post 522, Grendel wrote:
In post 520, Vifam wrote:It is alarming how fast your wagon popped up, I didn't even realize you were at L1
Sheep's vote was the turning point for my wagon's pick up.

Yay/Nay?
I thought him and jarjar were the only ones voting you
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Post Post #530 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:34 pm

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In post 397, JarJarDrinks wrote:Grendel kinda hit on it in 157. It's very LAMIST. Like you're making sure the town knows that you're just doing what townies are supposed to do.
In post 431, JarJarDrinks wrote:VOTE: Grendel
fyi I hate it when ppl scratch my chin while still being perfectly happy to vote me.

Its a conflict of tone, and makes your original thoughts look like artificial attempts at buddying from my pov
In post 417, JarJarDrinks wrote:great opening post from coopsheep
Enlighten me behind the genius of Coopsheep's opening.
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Post Post #531 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:34 pm

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VOTE: Vifam

honestly think this is maf rn. Still need to wait on certain people to post more tho
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Post Post #532 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:36 pm

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This is the Grendel i saw during that other game. Which is why I wanted more posts from him
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Post Post #533 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:37 pm

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VOTE: JarJar
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Post Post #534 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:39 pm

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why is jar maf?
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Post Post #535 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:41 pm

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I don't like his vote on Grendal
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Post Post #536 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:42 pm

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why? you voted grendal too
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Post Post #537 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:44 pm

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Yeah but like Grendal said on this page it's weird how he points out Grendal made a good point about Rau, but goes on to vote him without a word
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Post Post #538 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:48 pm

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In post 525, Grendel wrote:
In post 502, Cooperative Sheep wrote:The above within the concept that Gerry is scum, naturally.
I really dislike how they keep batting about their potential scum reads, meanwhile voting somebody who isn't even mentioned as a tertiary scum read.

It doesn't make any sense.
this is actually a very good point. i still think sheep is town tho, so far based on his points on different things
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Post Post #539 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:50 pm

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In post 526, gerryoat wrote:
In post 521, Grendel wrote:
In post 443, gerryoat wrote:Key is town. Grendel is at like L-1 i think lol. I mean i think he's different rn compared to his town game, but give him time to respond at least we are only 18 pages in
I take up the position that the game state needs.

In games with an unproductive roster I'm much more aggressive. In games with hyper posters I'm more laid back.

Plus I was too tired the other day to do one of my elaborate opening posts w/ reaction test.

My play here has been very different from 1830, and I'm honestly surprised you haven't been pushing that point harder if you were truly scum reading me.
Well, it's because RC has been acting like a manbaby. I did point out that your game was different, but how do you expect me to scumread you very hard. I wanted to give you more time
Gee thanks,

for being so uncharacteristically chivalrous towards your 2nd highest scum read.
Vifam wrote:
In post 522, Grendel wrote:
In post 520, Vifam wrote:It is alarming how fast your wagon popped up, I didn't even realize you were at L1
Sheep's vote was the turning point for my wagon's pick up.

Yay/Nay?
I thought him and jarjar were the only ones voting you
Its probably a good idea to read the game before you vote. Seems somebody of your experience would know that.

You think that jar jar is town yea? What did you think of sheep?
Vifam wrote:
In post 523, Grendel wrote:
In post 518, Vifam wrote:Tbh I just voted for you cuz I felt like sheeping
You felt like sheeping 17 pages into the game but didn't feel like it at that start.

Why?
I figured Rau was town by then and just wanted to apply pressure somewhere else
Was this a spoken read transition?

If it was I don't recall it.

PRE-EDIT

Oh, This wasn't what I expected.

GErry on Viafam, and Viafam on JArjar
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Post Post #540 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:51 pm

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I think sheep is town
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Post Post #541 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:59 pm

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In post 539, Grendel wrote:Gee thanks,

for being so uncharacteristically chivalrous towards your 2nd highest scum read.
it's only ~20 pages in? I'm not gonna wanna quick lynch someone over first brush reads
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Post Post #542 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:04 pm

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In post 541, gerryoat wrote:
In post 539, Grendel wrote:Gee thanks,

for being so uncharacteristically chivalrous towards your 2nd highest scum read.
it's only ~20 pages in? I'm not gonna wanna quick lynch someone over first brush reads
idk I just feel like you are tip toeing around me rn.

I know you're capable of being agro as either alignment, and appeasing as either alignment, but something feels wrong here.
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Post Post #543 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:05 pm

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Great to come back online and see 6 pages to get stuck into!


Rautherdir's view that RC vs gerryoat is "SvT or TvS" intrigues me as I felt it was TvT when I was caught between the cross-fire. I'll be interested to see how Rauth pursues his scum-reads.
In post 412, Cooperative Sheep wrote:I'd be happy to lynch Gerry.
I also am not overly fond of Alisae or Vifam and would consider them secondary scum reads at this stage.
Vote: Grendel
Do you like to pace your pressure on players? I did not expect that vote on Grendel given your direct introduction. [Ok, you later call it a "sheep" wagon, so this tangent vote on Grendel feels more natural to me now.]
In post 406, JarJarDrinks wrote:Well I'm not caught up but he's obvtown to me so far.
In post 417, JarJarDrinks wrote:great opening post from coopsheep
You have lots of love to give this game Jar Jar...

Yeah, I love Coop Sheep's breakdown of what RC's possible motivations were in regard the roleclaim. I like the logic.

Fuck me, Grendel was at L-1? We need to label that shit.

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Post Post #544 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:06 pm

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In post 540, Vifam wrote:I think sheep is town
Is there a specific reason, or is it gut?
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Post Post #545 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:15 pm

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@Keyser

In post 429, Cooperative Sheep wrote:
In post 428, Rautherdir wrote:That's the reason I'm reading over the game again. I don't know how to handle a claim like that, I'm trying to figure out if I should trust RC's claim or not.
For me the logic breaks down something like this;

1. RC is lying and plans to admit it - that makes the action a reaction test, and alignment neutral, I tend to analyze the claimed reaction scumhunting afterwards.

2. RC is lying and does not plan to admit it - that would make RC scum and a bad player, or just a bad player. I, personally, don't think RC is a bad player.

3. RC is telling the truth, or at least some variant of it - that would make RC town, or that would make RC a scum PR who is accepting on Day 1 that they are not really planning to make it till lylo with their team.

I see option 2 as highly unlikely.
Option 1 should be treated like option 3 until RC plans to reveal - so option 1 is meaningless.
Option 3 tends o suggest that the best move is to not lynch RC, and analyze again tomorrow with more info.

Until I get some other info, I'm going with Option 3 and presuming town.
What are your thoughts on my breakdown and does it differ from your thoughts?
I don't see how the above points would be hard for scum to come to a conclusion too. I don't see the above points putting him in a position that would be sub optimal for scum.

The ability to form a logical argument doesn't equate to town.

What did you see here that standed out as, "Oh this sounds like something town would say", to you?
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Post Post #546 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:19 pm

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In post 485, Transcend wrote:Gerry is mighty scummy i admit
I still need help to get to "mighty scummy".
Could you explain why gerryoats is "might scummy", that remark carries alot of pressure on Gerry's slot (even if you aren't voting him). Coming out of nowhere just to keep the focus on gerryoats (while not adding anything tangible to his wagon) is suspicious.
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Post Post #547 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:38 pm

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tbh there are a lot of players I might need to look at. LIke I haven't checked out most of my null reads.

Keyser Söze, RadiantCowbells,
Alisae, mattblackguy,
Rautherdir, Lil Uzi Vert, Akarin, JarJarDrinks, Transcend,
Vifam, Cooperative Sheep,
gerryoat


I can elaborate on most my reads per request.

Right now I'm feeling like calling it a night on my end.
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Post Post #548 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:38 pm

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It felt pro-town in nature and demonstrated an earnest pursuit of trying to understand Rautherdir's perspective while expressing his own stance to everyone. The logical delivery also helped me to look at my own analysis of what RC's motivation could have been. I don't believe Cooperative Sheep was putting this effort in just to win 'town points'. Plus, his explicit and balanced explanations of his reads and positions so far complement his 'looking for answers' persona. He posts in a style which will be hard to lynch.

"I don't see how the above points would be hard for scum to come to a conclusion too"
- I think that can be said about every post in this thread, but it is our job to make something up and see if it agrees with our limited or vast book of town/scum-tells.
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Post Post #549 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:40 pm

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Yo I'm finally here. 10+ pages since I've last checked so I'm catching up now.

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