Mini 1875: Pine's Death Trap Post Game - Town win!

mattblackguy · Post Post #2050 (ISO) » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:57 am

>Frogger enters game
>Frogger says Jar is scum
>Frogger says he has never been more confident in a scumread before.
>Frogger says by association with Jar, Matt is scum
>Frogger says he is not sure if Jar is scum, and could be wrong
>Frogger pushes Matt on association with Jar even though he is not too sure if Jar is scum

The train of thought makes no sense. If Frogger was town he wouldn't be pushing me after he said wasn't too sure of Jar. Not sure how many ways I can post this until people understand it. Frogger is not town.

mattblackguy · Post Post #2051 (ISO) » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:58 am

Whatever, I'll just claim. I'm town Jailkeeper. I jailed Rauth obviously. Now can we lynch scum today?

Fro99er · Post Post #2052 (ISO) » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:02 pm

In post 1752, RadiantCowbells wrote:oh: and that's why I outed as BP.

because no one would believe me when I outed as BP.

So matt jailed the cop and gave him no chance to get a result?

Or do you think he jailed Rauth as scum and scum shot RC?

Fro99er · Post Post #2053 (ISO) » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:06 pm

Town jailkeeper should have tried to jail scum to prevent the kill, not the cop. That way the cop could possibly still live AND set a result.

This is a scumclaim from Matt

Fro99er · Post Post #2054 (ISO) » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:07 pm

Like why wouldn't he jail me or whoever he thinks is my buddy (btw matt who do you think my buddy is) if he was so sure I'm scum. Because it's obvious Rauth would try to check me last night.

Rautherdir · Post Post #2055 (ISO) » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:10 pm

In post 1405, RadiantCowbells wrote:If we have a jailkeeper flip 3 coins. If all of them are heads target anyone besides Rautherdir. Otherwise, target Rautherdir.

Or, MBG was following directions.

Fro99er · Post Post #2056 (ISO) » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:11 pm

I don't think he got three heads

Fro99er · Post Post #2057 (ISO) » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:11 pm

Oh i read that backward

Keyser Söze · Post Post #2058 (ISO) » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:11 pm

This changes things...

Fro99er · Post Post #2059 (ISO) » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:13 pm

In post 2050, mattblackguy wrote:>Frogger enters game
>Frogger says Jar is scum
>Frogger says he has never been more confident in a scumread before.
>Frogger says by association with Jar, Matt is scum
>Frogger says he is not sure if Jar is scum, and could be wrong
>Frogger pushes Matt on association with Jar even though he is not too sure if Jar is scum

The train of thought makes no sense. If Frogger was town he wouldn't be pushing me after he said wasn't too sure of Jar. Not sure how many ways I can post this until people understand it. Frogger is not town.

This is also not an accurate representation.

My push later was not based off association with Jar. It was for keeps it his lynch options open, and for having me and Uzi as two confscum. I know i'm town and I know Uzi is town

mattblackguy · Post Post #2060 (ISO) » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:14 pm

In post 2053, Fro99er wrote:This is a scumclaim from Matt

This is a scumclaim from frogger

Fro99er · Post Post #2061 (ISO) » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:16 pm

Jailing the cop makes NO sense as town. Sure if you are town you could prevent a kill, but you also guarantee the cop doesn't get a result. Preventing one kill doesn't gain us another night. You'd have to be successful twice at preventing kills

But if you truly to jail scum you have a chance to prevent the kill AND give the cop a chance to get an important result.

mattblackguy · Post Post #2062 (ISO) » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:16 pm

So can we lynch scum today?

Fro99er · Post Post #2063 (ISO) » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:16 pm

In post 2060, mattblackguy wrote:
In post 2053, Fro99er wrote:This is a scumclaim from Matt
This is a scumclaim from frogger

That's the best you got?

Fro99er · Post Post #2064 (ISO) » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:19 pm

RC are you x-shot BP, and if so do you get told if you absorbed a shot?

Keyser Söze · Post Post #2065 (ISO) » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:21 pm

Don't ask that Frogger. That information is best kept secret.

Rautherdir · Post Post #2066 (ISO) » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:22 pm

In post 2061, Fro99er wrote:Jailing the cop makes NO sense as town. Sure if you are town you could prevent a kill, but you also guarantee the cop doesn't get a result. Preventing one kill doesn't gain us another night. You'd have to be successful twice at preventing kills

But if you truly to jail scum you have a chance to prevent the kill AND give the cop a chance to get an important result.

There are probably two mafia, and the jailkeeper can only choose one player for his action. He wouldn't know who was going to be doing the shot. The goal for the jailkeeper is to stop the kill. It isn't as important for me to get an investigation as it is to prevent a night kill.

Pedit: RC, only answer the last half of that question.

Rautherdir · Post Post #2067 (ISO) » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:23 pm

In other words answer this:

Do you get told if you were shot?

Fro99er · Post Post #2068 (ISO) » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:24 pm

In post 872, mattblackguy wrote:I understand what you're saying RC. You're going for the mislynch on me, and night kill on JarJar, so you can easily coast to victory.

In post 873, RadiantCowbells wrote:Why would I nightkill JarJar? There's an obvious nightkill in this day phase for RC!Scum and it's not JarJar.

In post 874, mattblackguy wrote:Because JarJar is the only person that will strongly push a lynch on you later in the game.

This makes matt look really bad too.

I'm pretty sure he and Jar NK'd someone their than RC to leave the Cop deal a reason to push RC. Then they didn't believe RC's BP and jailed Rauth and shot RC.

Fro99er · Post Post #2069 (ISO) » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:26 pm

In post 2065, Keyser Söze wrote:Don't ask that Frogger. That information is best kept secret.

No because if RC is told they got shot then it basically confirms matt as scum. It strongly implies scum jailed Rauth and tried to kill RC.

Fro99er · Post Post #2070 (ISO) » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:28 pm

In post 2066, Rautherdir wrote:The goal for the jailkeeper is to stop the kill. It isn't as important for me to get an investigation as it is to prevent a night kill.

If there is a cop involved I disaagree. Giving the cop a chance to get a guilty is far more important

Stopping 1 kill does little, as it doesn't gain us a day/night cycle. If we were on evensies, I'd agree because it gains is a day/night cycle. But we're on oddsies

Fro99er · Post Post #2071 (ISO) » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:32 pm

In post 2067, Rautherdir wrote:In other words answer this:

Do you get told if you were shot?

Yeah this.

Don't care about the x-shot pet. Just seems OP to be a full BP

Keyser Söze · Post Post #2072 (ISO) » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:33 pm

In post 2069, Fro99er wrote:
In post 2065, Keyser Söze wrote:Don't ask that Frogger. That information is best kept secret.
No because if RC is told they got shot then it basically confirms matt as scum. It strongly implies scum jailed Rauth and tried to kill RC.

It was the x-shot part I didn't think was good to reveal. If RC knows the answer to the 2nd part, that's ok.

nancy · Post Post #2073 (ISO) » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:34 pm

In post 2046, mattblackguy wrote:I will say this again, Frogger backing off of Jar, because he is not sure that Jar is scum after he said that he was never more confident in a scumread, but then pushing me on mainly associations with Fro99er, and Nancy is scum! If he wasn't even sure Jar was scum anymore, but then pushed me on a case that was mainly built on my associations with the person he is not even sure if scum anymore is stupid as shit, and I don't know why anyone can't see it.

Could you rephrase this please or elaborate? I don't really follow it. (Edited your EBWOP in.)

Fro99er · Post Post #2074 (ISO) » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:35 pm

Being a full BP would cause me to question Matt as well.

A full BP (stops kills), a full jailkeeper (stops kills/roleblocks), a cop, and a backup cop is really fucking strong for town. Would need to be a strong scumteam, but we've only flipped a goon.