~laundry~ FIN

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

aka, my reads are like:
Strong: Desperado, SAD, Firebringer, SlySly, McMenno, Andrius
Lean: MariaR, Fro99er, Nosferatu, Nachomamma8
PoE: drealmerz7, Zachstralkita, Pine, Toogeloo, gerryoat, Tammy

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

SAD, seriously, keep pinging my scumdar with scum-spew analysis...

Dreamz I will also add ellipsis at end of my sentence to seem thoughtful and scumhunting when I'm spewing bs...

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Seriously miller claim with a cop that dies on guilty results is super odd and questionable.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Also apparently this game isn't role madness since creature regular goon?

Or is scumteam just super underpowered lmao

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

The thing that makes me doubt on nacho being scum is that scum-nacho would've had the brains to buss earlier. And I mean MUCH earlier. Unless he just got hung up on the gerry thing and did it to pretend being busy while he thought no one was paying attention to him ignoring the larger wagons creature/sly.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

think we can lynch someone before hitting page 200?

CAN WE PLEASE?!

Yeah you're scum.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I do that a lot too complain about a lot of posts and generally just complain about lynches taking forever.

I mean as town there's a level I crack and just want a lynch, but def way lazier as scum b/c I don't wanna sit through reading a lot of posts for no reason.

Pedit: @Dreamz

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Zack can be town I don't think two scum would've defended against my lynch. And for his defense against gerry wagon.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Creature mentioned Maria a lot. Like 2x more than any other person. Idk if that's supposed to mean something or not.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I'm really starting to doubt the mason claim

It looks like a super hardcore gambit. Esp b/c creature was constantly scumreading both of them.

Toogeloo alone is fucking lol would scumread in a heartbeat. Only thing stopping me from doubting is my Tammy townread from her convo with Andrius.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Yeah I'm townlean on Maria too.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

We can lynch Dreamz instead though

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Hello maria how are you did you enjoy your night.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

The spooky one.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Maria still trying to push Gerry and I when he's the superobvTown counterwagon to a scum lynch that I fanatically drove.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Tammy is 100% town, by extension Toogeloo is 100% town.
All speculation around them of "Toogeloo resisted the Creature wagon, they might be scum" is stupid. All speculation around them of "Tammy hasn't been posting enough or Tammy has only been posting when convenient" is stupid.

I mean let's be real you called the creature wagon stupid and were pushing a fucking obvious VI I don't think you have any right to criticize people who are scumhunting a million times better than you.

Same thing with you/Tammy getting hung up over Andrius, he's recently (since like middle of day 1 onwards) been extremely pro-town and one of the people present and creating pressure where as half the playerlist is lurking bloc.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

The push against him was garbage, I don't think he looked scummy and I think lynching a claimed Watcher on "with me, boys!" and "OMG that one post was F O R C E D" was bad play through and through.

LOL

Where do I start with this.

But anyway you have the experience to prob know that more than half of what you're saying is complete bs are you just scum going for bad play hoping we'd write it off as you tunneling or something?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Coming down the wrong way on the Watcher lynch yesterday is leagues different than suspecting the mason pair the next day because "TOOG DIDN'T WANT TO LYNCH CREATURE!" especially when one of the mason pairs is Tammy and she's playing an extremely obvious town game.

Wait you seriously don't see how scummy creature was?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Off gameplay than his usual towngame + flailing super hard under wagon pressure + his wagon kept being detailed with different wagons instead of being super easy mislynch for scum to pile on if town + highly suspicious watcher claim

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Wait am I seriously supposed to believe some people didn't read the cop claim?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Was it that fun of a night in the scum pt that you couldn't afford to catch up on main thread or?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

toog
tammy

nacho
slysly
drealmerz

--------------- <---- line of lynchability

mcmenno
nosferatu
zachstralkita

pine
andrius

sad
gerryoat
firebringer

mariar

I sure moved downa lot when I started scumreading you

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

desperado is town.

I mean so was creature

Oh wait.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

ya because everything you're doing right now is scum motivated

...Analyzing creature's posts?

And giving reads on people?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I still think one of Desperado or Nacho like 99% scum for the Gerry push.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

So one thing from Dreamz I really really hated and felt fake was this interaction from yesterday:

Oh you're on creature yeah I already said he's scum too it doesn't matter for me the order the scum die in.

which do you think is more likely to be scum?

I don't discriminate sorry #ScumLivesMatter

Though Andrius Toogeloo in lean scum tier, and Creature Firebringer in strong scum tier.

if you are wrong about either creature or firebringer, which do you think is more likely that you're wrong about?

Are you serious.

I'm a mafia PRODIGY.

It felt super pointless questioning.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Firebringer ~might~ be town for his gift to me esp night 1.
Zach town lean already explained.
mcmenno's creature scumread doesn't look like bussing.
Maria lean town.
Gerry is town he's just frustrated because people keep going after him so aggressively and he's reached a point where he dgaf anymore.
I'm gonna believe the mason claim ~for now~ literally only because of my strong townread on tammy.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

i cant really tell what you've read and what you havent

^

When I'm talking to people anymore I'm not sure what they read and what they haven't read...

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Also, and I seriously say this regardless of my or his alignment, stop giving gerry shit and side throwing shade on him. I see myself circa 2011 in his play, and I know I used to also feel alienated af in games when people ganged up on me and made me play in an extremely anti-town play.

If he's scum and faking all this, kudos to him. But I really don't feel this is the case.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Something I remember Andrius did that I feel uneasy about was whenever I brought Creature up he danced around the read and it basically amounted to "I think he's scummy but I don't want to lynch him" who pinged my radar at the time and now I feel it was super weird. Imma see if I can find the quotes.

The other thing that stops me from keeping him in the lean town tier is the way he kept bringing himself as an alternative wagon. Whenever people were doing Slysly vs Creature (+ Gerry I guess) he would always say "pick one of me slysly or creature please" and it was like ????? there was no wagon on himself. Which feels as if he knew Creature was gonna flip scum and wanted to get credit by being an alternative wagon to Creature...

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Here are great examples of the dancing around Creature read from Andrius:

Spoiler:

Is it because Now has done jack all, because that's why I originally voted him?

I mean I don't have high expectations for Nos, but yeah, his not doing things is bad.
Also Creature but w/e I've seen him to next-to-nothing before. Attempting to be charitable here.

Also if we're wagoning people for lurking and/or not contributing to the game I feel creature is better at least there are people who can vouch for Nos for being like this everything I have ever read about and or seen of creature he's an extremely engaged player.

Trust me I an noticing Creature.
I have some experience with him.

I have no history with Creature so he's null for me right now (that and I haven't tried to sort him yet). I have a history with Nos and I'm perfectly comfortable not pushing that slot and letting it play out.

Outright saying Creature is town this early was yeah, probably a mistake. But I think I'd wind up at the same conclusion after 50 pages and having him come into his skin again. Right now, hasn't done much so probably should sit at ?? or some middle ground throwaway category that's going to see some usage here.

Creature's doing his thing. At his own pace.
Everything is fine.

Okay I'm down to just lynch Creature at this point.

Vote: Creature

I take it you're against lynching gerryoat?
Care to explain why?

Because I'm currently against lynching Creature.

Creature is a poor lynch in general.

Creature's in low-town as nothing big's really going on.

I don't see a case for Creature being scum besides for activity, and Creature has been known to be lost in larges.

HOLY

MOLY

Every Creature post is exactly like what mcmenno is describing and it's exactly what I've read about his scum game this is precisely like in defcon where Reck said UT was scum but people didn't trust him.

Alright, I'll party with you.

Vote: Creature

If this doesn't happen my offer still stands.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Also can someone help me out

Previously (as in like a couple of weeks ago and any time previously), I used to be able to highlight a part of a post, click "quote" using the scroll middle button on the mouse to open the reply to thread box in a new tab, and it would only quote the highlighted part. Now, whenever I try to do that, it opens the new tab with the whole quote, not taking into account the part I highlighted (I could still regularly highlight something and click quote with left click and it works fine, but opening it in new tab is much easier and allows for better navigation).

What happened :/

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Can we lynch gerry on any of the basis', performing scumily, lying multiple times, acting like a twat?

Are you serious?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Hello Zach.

Have you gained any scumreads over the course of like the entire game.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Why aren't you voting me are you scared I bet you're scared

so forced
VOTE: maria

Nacho is town.

Show your work.

I don't need work, I need lynches. Lets go.

This sounds so fake.

Probably would sound less fake if you were anything but utterly useless day 1, but here it just reads forced.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

well folks I see people are still reading drealmerz because I guess he's an abrasive asshole and makes giant leaps in logic... well congrats he's town (think mathblade as well)

Sell me on it.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Fate's mystic mafia game just ended and he was more chaotic in that one and erratic here it feels like you have to push him for him to do anything whereas if you're not directly mentioning him he's just lurking.

His scumread on me also seems suppppppppppppppppppppppper fake. Like I can tell when people have fake reads on me (hint creature), and this is one of those feels. Esp because he like fails to interact with me or push me, but still puts me scum. It's what scum usually do to avoid conflict with me but still have ~original~ reads.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

No I def remember you having more of a presence in mystic mafia. I wasn't reading closely after getting nked n1 but I still felt like you were doing more than what you're doing here - popping in once in a while with the same reads since day 1, few jokes, addressing people mentioning you, then leaving.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I mean I'm also notoriously difficult to read based on tone you would be putting more effort into figuring me out rather than just having me in your scumlist and never engaging with me if you really cared about your read on me.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Ohhhhh and this exchange did not read from the POV of someone who is talking to a scumread:

So one thing from Dreamz I really really hated and felt fake was this interaction from yesterday:

Oh you're on creature yeah I already said he's scum too it doesn't matter for me the order the scum die in.

which do you think is more likely to be scum?

I don't discriminate sorry #ScumLivesMatter

Though Andrius Toogeloo in lean scum tier, and Creature Firebringer in strong scum tier.

if you are wrong about either creature or firebringer, which do you think is more likely that you're wrong about?

Are you serious.

I'm a mafia PRODIGY.

It felt super pointless questioning.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I'm also going to

SET MY SECOND TRAP CARD

Someone remind me of this post much later in the game if still alive.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

But you're not doing anything.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

That's my whole point you have no presence.

Yes in an alternative universe you're engaging and fishing for reactions and making pushes and voodoo magic.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

you currently read to me like:

"c'mon drealmer do something so people want to lynch you!!! I've been trying to get a wagon going on you for like, the whole game, and my ego hurts that I can't get it happening, work with me will you and cause a scene???!"

No I just pushed a lynch on a scum lurker I couldn't give a fuck if you posted or not if I was just trying to push a random mislynch as you seem to be implying.

And that misrep. I had you as a lean town for half of Day 1 the hell you talking about? If I want you lynched trust me I can do that I don't need a scene.

What I AM trying to do is get you to either a) explain your reads that you've had the whole game, or b) start playing town and analyzing people so you can actually be pro-town. But if you're scum by all means go back to lurking.

mafia PRODIGY

Tyty for reminding me what I am! Almost forgot.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

No, you said I've been trying to get a wagon on you "for like, the whole game".

Either it's a misrep or learn to read.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

and it's funny you say that he's lacking presence compared to mystic mafia because drealmer had an oddball push on me there and was remarkably underwhelming until sometime during Day... 2? he did a much better job of being around early here.

Yeah he was pushing a town in mystic but his push there read as he truly believe in it and was being active and engaging. He was even asking why you weren't engaging with him and that you were scum lurking, indicating he was actively trying to figure the game and your alignment out. Where as here "here are my reads lynch one of X Y Z hopefully no more 100 pages thanks I'll see you guys in 2-3 days".

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

even if your assessment was correct

who gives a fuck and what the fuck does it matter

I don't even know what this is in reference to?

But you get a description of your play via one of my super rare infamous yu gi oh cards!

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Hey McMenno do you have any other thoughts? I thought your push on Creature looked pretty good, but looking back it was quite one-note. Any other reads at all?

I feel the same way.

If he had come into this day with the same vigor then I would've kept my townread on him for the Creature push, but now I'm not sure.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Does anybody reasonably think everyone who was on Sly was town? And that Sly is also town?

Sly is either scum or scum are on him. Part of the reason for my dreamz scumread.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Wait what.

Slylsy, dreamz, and Andrius are strong townreads for you?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Also p sure 5 man scum team in 17p game is unbalanced.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Also if Tammy and Gerry are town then:

Okay, let's say I trust you.

drealmerz7, Zachstralkita, Pine, gerryoat, Tammy.

Your opinions on them?

Prob one scum from those 3.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

i could see them looking at a 13v4 with all sorts of power everywhere and just telling him to add another scum

No, that's not adding one scum.

That's converting one town to a scum. Huge difference from balance stand-point.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Barely anyone bussed Creature till prob the very end.

Which is why it was hard to lynch him and distracting wagons like Gerry kept popping up.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Hence one of you or Nacho is scum because it was like you me Nacho Tammy Toogeloo getting in at the end.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Then they would've been here at deadline and possibly switched to Sly but like no one else was here at deadline.

Unless Sly is also scum and a strong PR that they were on Creature in the beginning.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Which brings me back to my original point... why do you have a strong townread on Sly.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

(Who also conveniently didn't get on Creature so he doesn't get to "prove" his doublevoter condition)

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

strong townreads on gerry and mcmenno is pretty batshit pine

Desperado like third time how do you have a strong townread on Sly.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I'm also completely open to the idea that the scum team might be completely incapable of leading town around by the nose, and were likely amicable to the plans set by the louder voices.

If that's the case then look for scum in either Sly or people on Sly who parked there and didn't show up near deadline.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Also, if Pine is hated, I doubt scum have a 5-man team. Hell, Pine shouldn't be allowed to live simply because he brings LyLo a day earlier, and a 5-man team also closes that LyLo gap.

He already explained he's not hated in lylo.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Wait a min...

If Pine said he's not hated in lylo... isn't that unfair from a mod stand-point because it allows the town to know when it is lylo?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Yeah but doesn't Pine have to know when he has the hated modifier or not.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I mean if you don't announce how many scum/town there are in opening then you should never be saying when it is lylo.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

But no one was scumreading him because he was playing bad and not usual town game except for me and mcmenno. I had no direct prior games with him and I only spectated a bit of his town game where he was more engaging and scumhunting and here I felt he has no interest to scumhunt or solve the game, and mcmenno replaced in half of the day.

I legit don't know why others were scumreading him but for him to know before hand before game start people were gonna scumread him right away and told his teammates to buss because of his off game as scum is a huge stretch.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I wish I can remember Zach by more than just "the guy who hardcore defended Gerry"

For real get reads man.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Okay you are right my boi.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

HOLY

MOLY

GUYS I JUST HAD A REVELATION

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Vote: Slysly

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

No the revelation is Slysly is scum...

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Anyone still thinks I could be scum watcher?

Still think there could have a scum conditional doublevoter?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Maria pls...

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

These are the mafia PRODIGY epiphanies I only get rarely. They are not to be taken lightly.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I will also

SET MY THIRD TRAP CARD

I am out for the night deuces.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Slysly literally called Creature one of his strongest scumreads and yet at deadline refused to vote him and voted another wagon.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I will guide you people through scum slysly gimmie one sec.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Forgive me, Creature.

My N0 is Desperado and he is scum!

WTF IS THIS RESPONDING TO SOMEONE 5 MILLION PAGES BACK.

Ser, have you played with Creature before?

That's one thing, but he's off the wall in general. He has a way of appearing useless when he's really doing something.

HOLY THIS DEFENSE HNNNNNNG

Creature and Pine both major mia.

Unless strong case can be made for either slot, waiting for a replacement is better than lynching.

PINE MADE THE CALL TO ARMS
STRAHDIANS MUST ANSWER

UNVOTE: Desperado

VOTE: Creature

HE WANTS TO WAIT FOR REPLACEMENT B/C CREATURE DOING NOTHING BUT IS HAPPY TO VOTE/LYNCH HIM A BIT LATER??

UNVOTE: Creature

WHAT AM I READING

Town

:
Pine
Firebringer
Fro99er
McMenno
MariaR

gerryoat

Murky middle

:
Ser Arthur Dayne
Tammy
Nachomamma8
Nosferatu

Zachstralkita

Andrius

Scum

:

Creature

Desperado
drealmerz7
Toogeloo

NOTICE THE FUCKING PLACEMENT OF GERRY AND CREATURE (AND ZACH TOO). STAY TUNED CUZ THIS SHIT ABOUT TO GET MESSY

lynch creature first. hes more obvious

Ok.
UNVOTE: Toogles

VOTE: Creature
L-1, unless I missed an unvote.

Vote 2: Toogles

OK COOL BEANS WE'RE BACK TO VOTING CREATURE WOOO

I think this is town Maria.

Agree.

-------

VOTE: Zach

VOTE: gerry

NEAR DEADLINE. WTF? HE JUST VOTED A NULL AND A TOWN IN HIS LIST OVER STICKING ON ONE OF HIS SCUMREADS.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Someone please vig desperado.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I think either Gerry is scum or both Tammy and Toog are OR Tammy and Toog could both be scum and Gerry could be 3rd party.

Lol this post.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I'm still alive fighting evil doers???

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

The thing is, Nacho didn't have Creature as "townread". He was largely ignoring a large chunk on the playerlist to "tunnel" on gerry. That tunnel looked super forced and it looked like an attempt to keep him busy while whiteknighting tammy in the process.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Ohhhh right one of the reasons I had Zach as town was because like the only two who said anything defending my wagon when it was rising were Zach and Creature. I don't think both scum would defend like that.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Also I am scum reading almost the entire game to some degree. Go me!

Tammy pls...

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Ugh why can't I find the first Andrius wagon before mine formed in EP's ISO.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

If it's 4 scum I think two on here:

Ser Arthur Dayne (7): Aeronaut, Pine, Andrius, drealmerz7, SlySly, gerryoat, Fro99er + (Firebringer) + (Toogeloo).

Creature defending, and one person ignoring/on an off wagon.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

My wagon was after yours, SAD.
IIRC

I thought you had one before when you were making your big EP laundry room wall?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Something is definitely off.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Surrounding the balance of the game.

I'm starting to think it is 5 scum.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Vote: Nacho

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Wait what am I doing Nacho is town.

Unvote
Vote: Slysly

I can't believe I almost sheeped other's people's read over my mafia PRODIGY abilities.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

how many votes on creature

He's at L-1.

is creature really at L-1?

yep.

Creature can you claim dude, i dont wanna hammer you without fishing ur role

he claimed VT earlier when Pine voted him.

i don't know how many votes creature has on him.
i wanted to see if i could bait gerry into attempting a lolhammer

This string of posts is town.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Hey Nacho, even better, bus Creature now, kill me tonight, and no one left will actually have the stones or competence to push you.

Hey, Pine, if you're going to launch into full jackass mode you can have fun with your mislynch without me

This response is town.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

What the fuck is this Zach wagon. Stop

being useless

piling onto a wagon that isn't happening and is probably on Town.

"probably" on town?

"pilling on" but "isn't happening"?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Are you faking anger because you wanna seem cool and hip and ~abrasive~ personality or are you faking it because you're scum.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Pine, being an ass isn't going to win you any favors.

I mean there's being an ass with an agenda such as reaction-test, scum-hunting, etc.

Then there's Pine.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Also the wagon is 3 people large...

Something about Zach freaking out with every vote on him and Pine "stop pilling on a wagon that won't happen because I randomly said so and that is probably maybe idk on town I guess?" when Zach isn't even one of the top 2 wagons feels off.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I'm still alive??? :O

I will fill any role you need

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Why do I have a vote on me



Also Pine..: is a TR for me

I wish I can remember Zach by more than just "the guy who hardcore defended Gerry"

For real get reads man.

I been had reads I just don't vomit them out of my mouth



Stop voting me you dummies

You know I don't play scum like this

I'm disappointed

Unvote
Vote: Zachstralkita

Im not scum guy

What a piss poor wagon

No one in my wagon has any real reason to be voting me

dude

it's "zach"

yeah the fucking Ks really GRIND MY GEARS


Its okay I can always take solace in the fact that IM NOT GETTING LYNCHED LMFAOOOOO

What the fuck is this Zach wagon. Stop being useless.

Tell them again

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Yes, I read those posts too. I also read them when I made them.

That's not what freaking out is.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

This is one of the few games since my glorious return where I drew Town.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Slysly at L-1 btw.

Not that I care enough to unvote or even scared of a quickhammer, I'm all for this day ending with his lynch. However do know if you're planning on putting a vote it is a hammer.

I actually think Nacho and Pine and Zack are town. Or at least different shades of leaning-town. Weird :/

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

whats that from andrius?

Castle in the sky?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

i have very high doubts that Nacho/Pine/Zach is a full town group.
Seems very very unlikely.

Yeah that's why it's weird that I have gut feeling on all 3 being town.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Right now I feel interested in just sheeping Arthur, he will be my town champion.

THE BUDDYING IS REAL ARTHUR, CAN YOU FEEL IT!?

I can dw.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Dw my man NACHO I believe in you to come back in this game.

Pedit: I didn't say that... wow misrepping me like this why you do this.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Holy I forgot what my trap 1 card was or if it was activated.

I still have trap cards #2 and #3 set btw.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

So who from the ppls here isn't on Slysly and would like the day to end so we can get some sleepy time

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Actually I take back my Zach town-lean.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Actually I take back my Zach town-lean.

For what reason(s)

You've done this like 3 times now which is fine just say why concisely.

PoE: drealmerz7, Zachstralkita, Pine, Toogeloo, gerryoat, Tammy

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

One of Pine/Zach/Dreamz is scum.

I am def leaning dreamz BUT some of his interaction with Creature doesn't read as scum/scum.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Actually I need most of you motherfuckers on this Sly wagon to rehash your reasons cause far as I recall that was the NO NO wagon day one when dreal and I were pushing it

You asked me for my read on him which is why I responded to you with such..

I'm lynching Sly right now... who pinged me hard yesterday

Huh?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Does he want a Sly lynch or not.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Why is he questioning the wagon if he thinks Sly is scum.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Man oh man.

Nacho heavy AtE feels like he's trying to pocket Tammy.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Anyway I'm keeping 1 read extremely secret which is why I haven't shared any tier list lately.

If I ever die the secret is trap card #2.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

After reading through the last 10 pages or so, I really think Firebringer and McMenno could use way more attention than they are getting. If anyone feels as though we are at an impasse on the current lynch leaders, would they be so inclined to pursue pushing one of those two instead?

Mcmenno's push on Creature still doesn't look like a buss.

When people buss they do it with an agenda. Like they will be planning on tying scumreads X and Y to Z's scumflip to line up lynches, or they do it in a loud manner to get townpoints.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

well folks I see people are still reading drealmerz because I guess he's an abrasive asshole and makes giant leaps in logic... well congrats he's town (think mathblade as well)

I am going to set sail in no particular direction

VOTE: nacho

as for my other reads? I must say that I don't have a clear direction at the moment, my only scumread at the moment is probably nacho, and going down are various flavors of mediocrity...

drealmerz is defenitely town, sad is also strong town

le sly slice is probably town as well

Wow 3spooky5me push.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I have definitely noticed this.
Which was largely the reason I submitted a kill on him last night.

3spooky5me

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Tammy what are your other general reads.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

@ andrius it means that first sad said that mcmenno didnt bus because when people bus (already derailing logically here but that's fine) they do so to tie player a and b to scum c's flip and mcmenno isn't doing that

but he is

so now sad is saying that the push just isn't strong enough

and he has done this several times regarding several issues

You realize,

Mcmenno isn't tying nacho to creature right?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I'm not moving any imaginary goal that you seem to be deluding over.

I said mcmenno's push on creature doesn't look like it had an agenda, you said he's pushing nacho, I quoted his only 2 posts that are "pushing" nacho but they don't have anything to do with the Creature lynch or reasoning concerning that lynch, then you try to throw shade from the sideline like you literally have been doing on half the playerlist. Congrats.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Also Andrius is yesmanning way too much.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

and i'm struggling to understand why you're defending mcmenno now when you were the first one to suggest that he bussed creature and has been coasting and doing nothing ever since

which is still 100% true

Because I love spouting out ideas even if I don't necessarily agree with them to see what sticks and what people agree with and how hungry scum are to snatch up different ideas.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

cool

also sounds like an easy way to remove accountability for anything you say

carry on!

I mean, feel free to hold me accountable for everything I say if you want. I really don't care either way.

I play to catch scum, I don't play to get townread.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

cool

also sounds like an easy way to remove accountability for anything you say

carry on!

How dare you say this to the Town Champion!
You will be dealt with!

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Also Andrius is yesmanning way too much.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Maria pls.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Maria this is a town wagon do not let frustration equate to scumreading.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Someone sensible please intervene I am not level headed enough to be responding right now

This is a townpost too if he was scum he would love to 1v1 or 1v2 not ask for help because he's annoyed.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Holy moly I'm a monster.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

It wouldn't surprise me one bit to see you and SAD flip as scum buddies.

Gotta love me some of that OMGUS-burger. Tastes goooooood.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I'm quite convinced though you've stopped even trying to put logic into your posts anymore but that's okay my man you do you I'm not gonna tell you how to play scum.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Guys I had a dream Pine was scum.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I accidentally got access to the scum PT and saw Pine + someone else was scum but I can't remember the second person.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

(Like in the dream btw)

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Slysly
Desperado
Nacho
dreamz
maybe Pine

Those are my pref in that order.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Idk, Desperado seems like one of the only people really trying at times even if no one (read: you) hears him.

I mean,

I agree he's one of the few people who's trying at times.

Sadly putting ~life~ into the game is not a towntell. If I'm enjoying the game I'm usually a heavy poster as either alignment, and I suspect desperado might be the same.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Not that I suspect Desperado is a viable lynch today or even in the near future. Which brings me back to my point:

Someone please vig desperado.

But I was merely listing my lynch prefs no matter their viability.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

New turn of events, I am now super cool with a Pine lynch.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

For 5413 alone.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I feel like at this point a Nacho needs to happen for at least the info we get.

Esp considering it will always be the case Frogger ~might have~ died because of his investigation (though I personally really doubt it).

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

New turn of events, I am now super cool with a Pine lynch.

I feel like at this point a Nacho needs to happen for at least the info we get.

Yet, your vote is on me.

...

Because you're scum. Did you miss my list on the last page, or you're trolling at this point?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

VOTE: slysly

be grateful I ended this wretched day

nevermind I'm retarded

okay back to real scum

VOTE: nacho

Holy.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Can you elaborate on why you think Nacho needs rope? "I feel like at this point a Nacho needs to happen" doesn't quite electrify me.

Because too many people tunneling on him and/or continuously repeating that he might be scum but aren't really ~pushing~ it with actual force that if I get his town flip I can work better with the info. But I don't wanna rely on the fact he's town and then work from there without a flip b/c too many things make me doubt he's 100% town (mainly things like frogger dying and might have investigated him, people saying he AtEs as scum, Tammy unsure about him/scumlean on him and saying he's very similar to their mini theme they recently finished and where she caught him p well, etc).

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

if fro99er had investigated me he would have returned a not town result but lived, confirming my role

Since this is exactly why I'm having problem with your role and frogger's.

What's the point of putting a miller (the sole purpose being to deceive a cop) if it's not doing what the role is meant to do, since the cop can actually confirm it?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Nah from the role frogger wouldn't die his role is only die if he targets non-town. Miller is still town.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Wait weak cop isn't an uncommon role??

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Vote: Dreamz

I love me some wagons.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

i'd be looking at the people who weren't on sly yesterday

So:

SlySly (6): Toogeloo, Nosferatu, drealmerz7, Ser Arthur Dayne, Firebringer, Zachstralkita

-Nos
-Zach
-drealmerz
-Toog for mason

LEAVES:
SAD
FB

?

I mean I was literally pushing Sly almost as hard as Creature (even though the latter was a stronger scumread but I could've checked him with my super duper ability) and was on Sly till like before the lynch. So using the fact I wasn't on him yesterday and on him today as I had ~just~ gained a scumread on him today is misrep af my man.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Also you're still ignoring me.
What is your read on me?

Himitsu

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

My read on you is a secret

Pedit: @Andrius

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

"well we are tired of trying to push this wagon, who do you think we can try to take down next?!"

"drealmer of course!!!!"

"of course!! LET'S GET HIM!!"

seriously you ppls need to learn to spot a good lynch when you see 1 on D2 in a large game and just go with it - this shit is fucking ridiculous

?????

The two type of people mentioned here are not the same why are you trying to equate them.

The people voting you right now are what I consider the "active" people which include me, Pine, Andrius.

Then you try to blame us for not moving day 2? LOL you literally do 0 push, we have people like Nos who is ??? I can't remember a single thing he has done this game, gerry "if there was a most antitown scummy I would win it", nacho "I think this is a co-op game with Tammy" etc.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

The way this wagon snapped into action seems like an obvious cw to scumSly it's too artificial


This is blatant.

LOL?

Are you people delusional?

I've been trying to get people on Sly for literally ages now but people continuously get distracted by Nacho or something.

If sly will happen sure. But the way dreamz is flailing is fantastic and I love it. You seem to be opposed to any type of pressure or literally anything. Seriously, if you're not scum after game we need to have a serious sit down because the way you play the game and derail wagons is extremely anti-town. Let people react without you interjecting and calling a wagon bad before someone even reacted.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Wanna know why cause pine is S C U M sad might be fucking scum too cause he say he sr's ___ and he's jumping on every wagon with whoever he sr's like ?!?!?!?!?!?!

Yeah I like fresh wagons

What I hate are stale wagons, makes the game too predictable and easy for scum to manipulate. Just because I'm voting with a scumread doesn't mean I stopped scumreading them.

But I do think the way the Desp/dreamz interaction unfolded, + points for desp, - for dreamz.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

VOTE: Slysly

See like this.

This vote is just on satellite delay.

You could've been on Sly for the past like week. Yet you weren't (I don't even know where you were I think you were on Sly for a bit and moved off?). Mafia should be dynamic. You had AGES to make Sly a reality. Yet you took the wagon for granted, and then when people move you get mad?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

hey sad slysly is l-2 now and i bet tammy will vote with toog

so how about we just get on this shit??

What do you think of dreamz.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

SlySly (5): Toogeloo, Nosferatu, drealmerz7, Firebringer, Zachstralkita

This is the current Sly wagon + Maria for 6?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Actually w/e we can just end this day.

Vote: Slysly

Even though this wagon is like half lurker bloc but I'll trust my mafia PRODIGY read.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Hellooooooooooooooooo people I have missed you during the second night.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Hellooooooooooooooooo people I have missed you during the second night.

i missed you too town champion, but i am sad you were wrong about slysly.

I know hindsight bias and all, but this part:

The game will be informed the first Day Phase you gain this power with a mod message-- "___ has successfully turned the key!"

He really should've mentioned...

Adding the little details make it seem much less likely than a fake-claim of "I should be on town off scum super power".

But ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Hmm scumteam of Nacho/Dreamz/Andrius?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Okay 2 extremely important things that need to be ASAP at beginning of this day:

Nos needs to start posting with memorable posts I seriously have never had this much of a null read on someone day 3 remembering NOTHING from what they have said.

Gerry should prob full claim now that masons confirmed.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Oh right Pine and maybe mcmenno also scummy, and my secret read heh heh heh.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

why are you so insistant that I'm scum? it's silly

I tracked you to Tammy last night.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I agree one of Pine/Nacho is like 99% scum unless the scumteam is like literally the lurker bloc.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Firebringer are you a JOAT?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

It's okay dreamz you tried your best...

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

tried my best at what?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Firebringer ignoring on valentines day

Firebringer are you a JOAT?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Vote: Nacho

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Hellloooooooo peoples I have missed you whatever number night it was yesterday.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Also Night 1 I was given a 2x bulletproof by firebringer,

I have been informed I was shot yesterday and one of the 2x was used up.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Well I wasn't told directly it was by firebringer btw but p obvious with the interaction we had.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

In a new revelation

Vote: Gerry

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Andrius isn't mafia.

Though I'm back to my theory Andrius is SK and tried to shoot me yesterday...

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Yes, I asked EP when I got it and they said I get told when I lose an X-shot, and I was informed at start of day I lost one shot of the 2-shot BP.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Maria likely isn't mafia.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Nacho-scum seems to play in an extremely transparent way.

"Is this person my buddy" -> Question them or talk to other people about them.

"Is this person town" -> Subtle buddy them by making logical response to try and sway them a certain way.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

A bit simplistic, yes,

But it's p obvious the gerry interaction is super theater.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Mcmenno kinda scummy.

Nosferatu is still a pure coin toss. On day fucking 4.

Firebringer/Pine hardcore town. Desp somewhat leantown with Nacho scum?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I mean it's not hard if they're in your role PM.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

PEdit: Agreed, Fire and Gerry all Town due to how the first three lynches went down.

I'm down for a Nos lynch tomorrow.

Nahh with the info of Slysly town and the way nacho interacted with gerry I don't think the reasoning for how day 1 went down counts anymore. (This is partly why I said slysly lynch was needed even if he's town for the info).

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Absolutely no way does Gerry hard bus both of them right out the gate

I think the scum plan was to buss gerry right out of the gate, which explains his ~reads~.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Also, I'm confused how did SAD lose a BP is there a vig/SK? If so, how come not more than 1 person has died each night

I'm trying to figure that out also...

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

SAD did you get hit last night?

Hit?

All I was told was I lost 1-shot of the 2-shot BP, which I'm assuming means I was shot. Unless role thief or something.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Do you have anything to say regarding your role gerry.

Cuz it's day 4.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Do you have anything to say regarding your role gerry.

Cuz it's day 4.

Yes, It's called town. Me trying to get both mafia lynched since day 1

Where's the double-voter when you need him...

Please someone proxy your vig shot to me.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

And SAD, you can't call Gerry scum and me 'hardcore Town' for exactly the same reasons.

???

I'm not.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Hey, SAD. do you get hit last night yes or no

Hit with what.

I lost my BP last night. That's all I know.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

well, that means someone tried to kill you, no?

All I was told was I lost 1-shot of the 2-shot BP, which I'm assuming means I was shot. Unless role thief or something.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I literally can't believe i'm wagoned after i called out both mafia day 1. i can't believe people are this bad at mafia and have been on the site for so long.

This was kawaii desu the first million times you said it.

Now it's time to put up or shut up and full claim.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

This interaction alone makes me impossible to be on a team with them

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

You do seriously think you should be getting anywhere near lylo with that attitude?

On day 4 you're still being anti-town. I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt early on, but now it just sounds fake as hell.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Hmm like I have a scumread on dreamz.

But I don't think he's aligned with the flipped people.

Maybe he's the SK...

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Tier list

Firebringer, Pine
Desperado
Maria, Zach, Nos
Mcmenno, dreamz
Gerry

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

There is zero evidence of a SK

Well if mafia shot the sheriff, who shot the deputy???

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Oh

Firebringer, Pine
Desperado
Maria, Zach, Nos, Andrius
Mcmenno, dreamz
Gerry

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

McMenno + Sad + Sly + Gerry + ?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

One of Gerry or Mcmenno prob scum.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

why are you so insistant that I'm scum? it's silly

I tracked you to Tammy last night.

Why is dreal not dead after this?

SAD
WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS

My man...