Open 667: Day 3

[CloudKicker]

I'm here and keeping up with the thread, but have been down the last few days. Good to see signs of life from the Pep slot. No one else feeling a Gamma lynch?

(Yes, glorified prodge - sue me. )

Explain your gamma read extensively and i am open to it if i agree

[JasonWazza]

Vote Count 3.3

[2] SnarkySnowman: Creature, CloudKicker,
[1] CloudKicker: SnarkySnowman,
[1] Gamma Emerald: TheSoldier,

Not voting: Gamma Emerald, Pepchoninga, Börk Börk,

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2017-02-14 04:07:20)

[hapahauli]

VOTE: Gamma

The inactivity and the no-lynches make it extremely difficult to develop truly solid reads. Based on what I've read though, I think Gamma's our best shot at mafia.

TheSoldier commented on Gamma's general passivity. That seems pretty accurate. He has over 50 posts, but has been very unmemorable and hasn't been pushing the game forward.

While Gamma can point to VL/A's and a "shit internet connection" as an excuse, I don't think that sufficiently explains his filter. There are a few things that stick out.
1) He had his vote on Vijarada literally all of Day 1, and I don't think he tries to lobby for his lynch or push him in any of his posts. That's pretty unnatural for town.
2) All while not pushing Vijarda, he's capable of throwing shade at other players. #118 (Indigo), 225 (Bork/Pep), 228 (Bork), 230 (Bork). By this reason, shouldn't he have his vote on Bork, rather than sticking with his super early-game vote on Vij?
3) He makes a scene of not cooperating with Vijarda's "pick two top scumreads and lets consolidate on a lynch" movement. Scum really like shitting on other people's ideas and providing nothing of their own. This is what Gamma basically does here.

He shit's on Vijarda's attempt to push the game forward, and does nothing of his own to do so.

4) All of Gamma's interactions with Vija after his early vote are wieeeeeerd. I'll quote all the posts so you guys get a feel for it:

Pepchoniga has by far the most.posts. His early game reads fame to me. More recently, he's been making a ridiculous amount of posts interacting with specific things, but he rarely gives an opinion or read. Plus in my gut his posts read so awkward.

But still guys, let's lynch indigo. She's scum! Probably with pep.

,':(

I thought town were supposed to lynch mafia members, not irritating kids.

mmm Looks genuine tho, like he looked at his post and thought "This justifies a vote".

I'm scumreading
Bork

does not compute

Not really tho
Scum can have genuine thoughts

Look this game is stagnated af. Everyone list their top two scumreads and we'll lynch the one most widely scumread, k? Mine are indigo and pepchoniga

I've legitimately used this as scum to steer lynches, in this setup.
Hell no.

That's all the posts that deal with Vij. Gamma reads Vij as mafia. How Gamma is treating Vij does not make very much sense from this perspective. There's no OMGUS after Vij calls him out. There's no calling Vij mafia after Vij proposes something that gamma CLEARLY thinks is mafia motivated. There's no emotion. Gamma is remarkably civil, and is treating Vij like any other guy rather than a guy who he has his vote on and seemingly reads as mafia.

[hapahauli]

As for SnarkySnowman, I would like to read some of her past games before making a decision on that slot. I think that slot looks almost as bad as gamma's. Snarky has the worst vote of Day 1 by far, voting Pep instead of helping town consolidate on a lynch. Snarky also had a pretty useless Day 1, including this gem of a post:

Vij and Bork both read town to me. I think keyen is an easy mislynch here, so I want to stray from that. I'd like to push Indigo but idk what the count is on him and I'm not up to hammering that yet.

Which is just a useless, god awful post that provides nothing to the town.

However, someone alluded to Snarky being a lurkerish and lynch-bait player earlier in the thread. I'd like to investigate that more before making a decision.

I'll update on Snarky tomorrow after going through some of that slot's past games.

[hapahauli]

I'll add two more things about Gamma.

Firstly, I very recently replaced late in a game where both my slot and Gamma's was town. I managed to read quite a bit of Gammas fliter in that game. He came across as very direct, aggressive, and uncompromising. His approach to reads felt a lot like "my way or the highway." I don't get any of that sense at all this game.

For example, consider this sequence of posts.

I thought town were supposed to lynch mafia members, not irritating kids.

mmm Looks genuine tho, like he looked at his post and thought "This justifies a vote".

I'm scumreading
Bork
Pep
and Vi rn

Almost back to back, Gamma calls Bork's post genuine, and them lists him as a scumread.

I thought town were supposed to lynch mafia members, not irritating kids.

mmm Looks genuine tho, like he looked at his post and thought "This justifies a vote".

I'm scumreading
Bork

does not compute

Not really tho
Scum can have genuine thoughts

When Vij's calls Gamma out on it, he has the above response.

But all of this really "does not compute" from a town perspective. What is the point of Gamma posting that he thought Bork's post was genuine? Why even bring that up if you think it's non alignment indicative? And almost all of Gamma's posting reads like this. He's posting for the sake of posting, rather than that he's trying to find mafia. And that's really unlike what I've seen from his town game.

[hapahauli]

The only other sufficiently strong read I'm willing to provide is on CloudKicker. Three reasons:
1) He's clearly pushing the game forward today.
2) His attitude towards the no-lynch yesterday was very townie.
3) Vijarada looked titled-as-fuck when he replaced out. That seems like a very townie response to having a sudden wagon on you form like that.

As for others... you all get an incomplete. I can't call anyone else town with conviction, and I've found that giving out too many town-reads makes me ignore players I should be looking at more critically.

For now, I'll focus on finding who I think is mafia.

[CloudKicker]

Cool the palm tree is town :

[CloudKicker]

My highest trs are palm tree/soldier and then creature

[CloudKicker]

VOTE: gamma

yolo

[hapahauli]

That looks like L-1, but please

do not hammer

. I'm feeling more comfortable with Gamma-scum as I continue to read the game, but time is an asset for town.

We have 10 days. Let's use those days and get some more voices in the thread. If you're town, now is the time to prove it.

[Börk Börk]

Good fucking god there were two no lynches?

Bork, my 19 posts have more content than your 54. I did read you town but this screams "GOD PLEASE I NEED ANOTHER MISLYNCH"

The content of your posts is debatable at best. Sure, you throw down a vote occasionally, but you provide one or two sentences explaining it and then don't bother pushing it further. So what's the point of even voting?

And your activity seems to come up in bursts of one short post every two days. It's like you signed up for this game and then just decided that you couldn't be bothered ay more.

[Börk Börk]

Bit of a noob question, but: Would it be advantageous for us to make a second L-1 wagon, or should I avoid that? I would be happy to vote for Snarky in order to even the wagons out, but maybe that would be a bad thing somehow. And understandably we're at a point in the game where scum would be more happy to quickhammer one of the wagons. Technically if today I brought Snarky to L-1 and then someone quickhammered, maybe that would be a good indicator of scum? I don't know. Probably overthinking this.

[Börk Börk]

I must say, I haven't really contemplated Gamma being scum up until now. I guess all the v/la stuff just made me put down his 'posting for the sake of posting' as trying to make up for the time that he missed. I need to consider scum!gamma as a possibility based on those posts.

[hapahauli]

Bit of a noob question, but: Would it be advantageous for us to make a second L-1 wagon, or should I avoid that? I would be happy to vote for Snarky in order to even the wagons out, but maybe that would be a bad thing somehow. And understandably we're at a point in the game where scum would be more happy to quickhammer one of the wagons. Technically if today I brought Snarky to L-1 and then someone quickhammered, maybe that would be a good indicator of scum? I don't know. Probably overthinking this.

The most advantageous thing is for everyone to try and find mafia.

Two L-1's isn't good AFAIK. If there's a mafia member at L-1, it gives him/her an out to quickhammer the other wagon, rather than letting town win today.

I must say, I haven't really contemplated Gamma being scum up until now. I guess all the v/la stuff just made me put down his 'posting for the sake of posting' as trying to make up for the time that he missed. I need to consider scum!gamma as a possibility based on those posts.

This doesn't say anything. Clearly you've read my case. Do you agree with it?

[Creature]

I'm fine with Gamma dying.

[Creature]

Btw, confirming that I am not scum quickhammering a town!Gamma so town won't win today.

[hapahauli]

Man. SnarkySnowman is some grade-A lynchbait. I skimmed through at least 10 of them, and all of them are super lurky regardless of alignment, with very short/content-less posts. Lynching Snarky for activity is a dice-roll with bad odds, unless people have other reasons to call him mafia.

[Creature]

We have 10 days. Let's use those days and get some more voices in the thread. If you're town, now is the time to prove it.

idk, we leaned too much onto the time D1 that it ended into a nolynch.

[Creature]

Snarky is pretty easy to read when he posts, this is why I want him to post.

[hapahauli]

Above should be "I skimmed through atleast 10 of Snarky's games (town and mafia)".

@ Creature

Wanting Gamma dead is great and all for my purposes (and ego), but doesn't tell me much about you. What are your thoughts on the game? Who is mafia, and who is town?

[Creature]

Me, you, and Vijarada (CK not so much) are town.

Gamma is my top scum candidate right now.

[hapahauli]

Who is Gamma's scum-buddy and why?

[Creature]

I don't really do preflip associatives.

[Creature]

It could be TheSoldier pulling a gambito, it could be Snarky and that justifies the lack of resistance, it could be Bork Bork derailing the wagon.

[hapahauli]

Well it doesn't need to be associative. But there are two mafia, and it is possible to suspect a 2nd person for independent reasons.