Also to answer your question from earlier about the breadcrumb thing. You're not forced to do that and there is no way I'm going hint that I'm a power role. It's stupid play in my opinion and can easily be faked anyways.
it's generally more stupid because people are awful at deciding when it is tactful and useful and smart to do
it's not so easy to fake well either
general mode-of-operation should be not to crumb, but if you do, make it SO FUCKING HARD that maybe no one even gets it
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:29 pm
by Creature
We have almost 4 days though, enough to switch the wagon to any living player there.
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:30 pm
by drealmerz7
as I mod I like to give players roles they're not aware of having!
that way you just circumvent all of those issues
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:31 pm
by drealmerz7
In post 2726, Creature wrote:We have almost 4 days though, enough to switch the wagon to any living player there.
not the dead players that are here?
what about rb? surely he's an exception?
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:31 pm
by Ircher
Or we could no lynch.
@Gin -- Asking for elaboration there is a good way to undermine the town's intents & goals.
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:32 pm
by Alisae
In post 2727, drealmerz7 wrote:as I mod I like to give players roles they're not aware of having!
The Real Gin and Tonic is nit. He's a provable PR claim.
I mean if most of the players agree this is the path we want to take then I'm fine lynching someone else today (I
wonder who
?). Thing this fakeclaim by Gin seems incredibly obvious to me and I don't want to let it slide based on just a couple of people who buy into it.
Then the evidence will fail to come in day 2. If there's no additional corpse, we get information about the roles scum have. Plus, we force scum to block the vig.
If Gin is scum, then, we still have the data from the push and no extra kill will appear since scum vigs are blacklisted in normals.
Gin's role is not provable. You have to assume that this is single-ball, that there is no SK, that there isn't a vig that isn't counter-claiming, that there isn't a vig that isn't a x-shot. No matter how many kills there are overnight, it won't prove Gin's role.
IIRC it is because Vigs in Normal games must have a kill flavor distinguishable from other factions.
no, there CANNOT be separate kill flavors.
/derp
Past Me: No way did I misread that that egregiously.
>checks
OH FOR FUCK'S SAKE
Now there's zero reason to let Gin slide here IMO.
* Wow Echo's #1775 is serious crap. Alisae never has a case on anyone. And coming from ECHO at this point it's just super-hypocritical
* I don't know why talk of lynching Slick has gone out the window at this point.
* dreal is getting better. Actually trying to contribute rather than make excuses for not contributing. Nevertheless, I'm suddenly struck by a theory I had as I went to bed last night on why Creature is playing the way he is, assuming he is town. Not going to say it out loud but I think I have to re-evaluate my read on Creature. I think he's back in the soft townread category. This is good sequence I think it cleared up my reads on a couple players I was having trouble pinning down.
* Titus sheeping Creature of all players is a little odd IMO
* I think I agree with Titus in #1830. Problem is, it's hard to read players based on how they in turn read dreal. It's really easy to scumread dreal for things that (to me at least) seem like normal dreal things
* #1831 JFC dreal. I start townreading you and you say something like that.
* #1832 Townreading Titus. Astonishing how she can replace in like that and post in such a way that I can immediately get a read on her
* #1833 I feel like I missed something on why Zach objects strongly to a Slick lynch
* #1835 and now Titus's sheeping of Creature is even more baffling
* Okay dreal's play just swings wildly between "scummy-ass garbage" and "legit has a point I think" and as a result I'm completely uncomfortable lynching him D1 this game. He just has a naturally-scummy and abrasive playstyle and I think it's sending peoples' radars completely haywire already.
* #1856 makes me think Zach and I are kindred spirits in this regard. For being confirmed town RB seems awfully preoccupied with throwing his
penis
weight around rather than actually trying to scumhunt
* Posts #1865 and #1867 are good examples of why drealmerz is a really bad lynch for the day. Uzi and HS are players I've been getting soft scum vibes from for a while, but even they are coming up with fair points against drealmerz. He's one of those players where it's easy to find him scummy and equally easy to dodge blame if you were on the wagon and he flips town, simply because he's so naturally scummy it's easy to come up with legitimate reasons to lynch him, motives being genuine or not.
* #1874 Fucking. Kill. This. Shit.
* #1897 yet more examples of why drealmerz is actually a shit lynch, not (necessarily) a scum lynch. He does this a lot. He's been doing this practically the entire game so far!
* Okay #1901 is a good post and seems genuine. Even if it's in response to dreal. With a number of new players dipping into my scumreads HS might be getting bumped up to Murky.
* #1908 wow. Not trying to offend people personally, but the huge amount of lurkers who come out to vote the prevailing wagon for shallow or non-existent reasons is just a cancer on this game.
* I can get behind Zach's reasoning in #1945. His bolded there is pretty fucking spot on IMO
* #1965 Fucking hell and I was just starting to get comfortable with Dunn
* #1966 I fucking hate talk like this. Play your damn wincon.
* #1983 oh please this is absolutely fucking hypocritical and it's disgusting
* #1992 thank you a goodpost by Dunn to make up for the last shit one. Even if one of his four scum mentioned is Zach which is shit.
* #2008 I get it now, Dunn. Bad company.
* #2031 jeremiahjohnsonnod.gif
* Ircher reading Alisae as lynchbait but not dreal is rather fucking baffling
Up to page 83 now.
Spoiler: Reads By Category
Townread
rb
Gin
texcat
Ircher
Zach
Soft Townread
Creature
Dunnstral
GE/Titus
All Alone
Neutral/Murky
Kyouko
Debi
Pine
HS
drealmerz
Soft Scumread
Uzi
Echo
Scumread
Slick
Alisae
Since Nadroj's game finished --- The difference between drealm and alisae is that alisae feels genuine and the questionable stuff from his iso seem more subconscious.
Drealm is however on purposely playing like Low-Hanging Fruit (he admittted such in fact).
Thats a huge difference.
ALISAE HAS CALLED HIMSELF LYNCHBAIT ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS SINCE YOU LABELED HIM AS SUCH AND IN FACT HAS EXPRESSED SCUMREADS ON OTHER PLAYERS FOR "PUSHING LYNCHBAIT" (REFERRING TO HIMSELF)
Self-aware doesn't change the genuine feel of the posts. Again, Alisae feels like he is playing genuine whereas Dreal is just obfuscating, etc. on purpose to avoid getting metaread and to "trap" players into lynching him implying he is much more skilled than he trues to imitate.
I really don't know where you get the vibe that Alisae is playing genuinely when he says "I really, really want a [Texcat] lynch done" and then hops off and on at a whim.
You're probably not wrong about dreal though but that's just dreal IMO
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:46 pm
by TheRealGin-N-Tonic
Wraith, I'm shooting Echo. Are you okay with that?
In post 1541, Alisae wrote:Like I legit think you are trying to pocket rb.
I must not understand what "pocket" means. Or one of us doesn't??
I thought it was like when a mobster has the police sergeant in his pocket, meaning the police sergeant will do what the mobster tells him to. But Pine isn't trying to tell Rb what to do, it looks exactly the opposite to me. Pine is asking Rb what to do. I hate it when people throw around jargon that I don't understand.
And it bothers me that Alisae threw in the word "legit" here. It's as if she's admitting that her other posts are not what she legitimately thinks.
VOTE: Alisae
I still think that Alisae admitted that she had been posting not what she legitimately thought. She says here that she legitimately thinks. That implies to me that her other posts were not what she legitimately thinks. I think that's a scum tell.
[and one of us still doesn't understand "pocket"]
IIRC you were on the right track with your initial insight. It essentially means a scum player who has a town PR "in their pocket" - a town player with power and influence who won't doubt their alignment and will vouch for them if pressed.
At least, that's from what I've personally gathered.
I second this motion along with lynches on Slick, Texcat, Kyouko, and Drealmerz.
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:49 pm
by TheRealGin-N-Tonic
You are saying I am aligned with the mafia, which is part of a team who has other members with the same win coin?
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:51 pm
by Wraith
In post 2744, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:You are saying I am aligned with the mafia, which is part of a team who has other members with the same win coin?
You asked about you, not your teammates
Who your teammates decide to shoot after they're dead is their decision
In post 2744, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:You are saying I am aligned with the mafia, which is part of a team who has other members with the same win coin?
You asked about you, not your teammates
Who your teammates decide to shoot after they're dead is their decision
I second this motion along with lynches on Slick, Texcat, Kyouko, and Drealmerz.
you can just stop giving your opinion or whatever that is you want to call it
hell, you can just stop posting all together
it's meaningless
you can just stop giving your opinion or whatever that is you want to call it
hell, you can just stop posting all together
it's meaningless
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:54 pm
by Lil Uzi Vert
I can't get behind sheeping Titus when all she's lynching for is information. I know rb hasn't been active but I trust his reads a lot more from prior experience. I've seen the guy carry towns by himself. Can we just sheep him?
