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[Creature]

tbh I chose to vote SlickDinger over drealmerz7 because my intention was to pressure him, while I am already confident in drealmerz7's alignment.

[Alisae]

Yknow I really gotta disagree with you there, Wraith. We have oodles of information to comb over already, and every fucking scumread I have disappears into 'eh kinda null'. Alisae is doing this now as I iso her, despite her still being a valid lynch in my eyes. Large games are fucking hard and I need to learn how to adapt to them.

How many scum is there reasonable to be in this game? 19p, probably like 5 scum, assuming singleball? I know from the spec earlier that 9 is asinine, but I know nothing about gamebalance. I just wanna know if I should be worried about not having many scumreads at this point. The only other 'large' game I've played in only had 17 players, one who was a non-issue, and even that was enough to confuse my reads. There was only 3 scum in that game, but the setup was different there so eh.

The less scum there are the more confident I am in cycling through lurker slots. Unreadable slots with no posts are much better to get rid of early or force-replace out before the thread becomes too big rather than have sitting around as a liability later in the game.

RB tells me Dreamer is scum, and he's lurky as fuck, so I'm fine sheeping that.
Mod confirmed town RB seems like an automatic town win tbh.
VOTE: Dreamer

Alisae is kinda weird. I get a lot of 'well this is obvtown' from her, and a lot of 'well this is obvscum' from her, and everything inbetween.

I really don't think there's anything wrong with a utility lynch at this point in the game. Crucify me.

No one here knows my scumgame. Just FYI. Not even I know my scumgame.
What you judge as "obvscum" is either based on meta that doesn't exist or tells.
What are the tells.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

No.

Motivation and personality.

[-Grey-]

UNVOTE:

Meh. While I figure it out.

[Alisae]

So the tl;dr gist is:

1. Alisae town- or scumreads players for extremely shallow and arbitrary reasons or for reasons she fails to adequately explain.
2. Alisae's vote changes practically every hour, primarily jumping on the most popular bandwagon of the moment.
3. Therefore, Alisae is not genuinely scumhunting or trying to contribute, and both her reads and votes both lack any sort of conviction or depth as a result. My conclusion is that she is scum trying to appear to be active and scumhunting but trying to blend into the background of wagons to conveniently shift off blame later.

1. Have you ever thought of asking me to go more indepth on my reasoning instead of just saying I'm scum for it?
2. Yeah I have a lot of scumreads. Is it scummy to be voting for them?
3. If you're expecting content heavy posts from me, then you are forgetting one thing:
I'm Alisae.
Of course, you wouldn't know that because you never played a game with me now would you?

[Alisae]

I rather just simply my arguements on people to be super short for rhetoric reasons.

[Alisae]

tbh I chose to vote SlickDinger over drealmerz7 because my intention was to pressure him, while I am already confident in drealmerz7's alignment.

Can't put my finger on it,
but I do not like this post.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

tbh I chose to vote SlickDinger over drealmerz7 because my intention was to pressure him, while I am already confident in drealmerz7's alignment.

Are you confident he's scum because of his catch-up post? I barely understood a word of it.

[Creature]

Nah, I'm confident that if he were town, he would be one of the top posters.

[Alisae]

Wraith think of it this way. I asked for a tl;dr because the way you present your arguments makes it super hard to grab without it. This is why I don't like wall posts; they lack an argument that you can easily just grab.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Didn't you use to wall in your first couple of Newbie games?

[Alisae]

Didn't you use to wall in your first couple of Newbie games?

lol couple. I only finished 1 newbie.
You mean my very first game? Yeah but then Tywin Lannister happened and TierShift was like "Walls are bad."

[Wraith]

Have you ever thought of asking me to go more indepth on my reasoning instead of just saying I'm scum for it?

Why do I have to ask for it? Why are you not just saying it?

[Creature]

Didn't you use to wall in your first couple of Newbie games?

Everybody walls at their first newbie game, then they realise walling looks stupid and most of the time useless, some do continue though.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Didn't you use to wall in your first couple of Newbie games?

lol couple. I only finished 1 newbie.
You mean my very first game? Yeah but then Tywin Lannister happened and TierShift was like "Walls are bad."

Swear it feels like you completed 10

I don't mind walls as long as they're well formatted. No one seems to do that anymore though.

[Alisae]

Have you ever thought of asking me to go more indepth on my reasoning instead of just saying I'm scum for it?

Why do I have to ask for it? Why are you not just saying it?

To understand my reasoning a bit more. Unless you're scum and you don't care about that stuff.
Plus it's not my duty to prove to you that I am town. It's my duty to hunt, find, and lynch scum.

[Alisae]

Didn't you use to wall in your first couple of Newbie games?

lol couple. I only finished 1 newbie.
You mean my very first game? Yeah but then Tywin Lannister happened and TierShift was like "Walls are bad."

Swear it feels like you completed 10

I don't mind walls as long as they're well formatted. No one seems to do that anymore though.

Reported to the cyber police. Say good bye to your account. Cuz you're about to get fuccin beaned.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Didn't you use to wall in your first couple of Newbie games?

lol couple. I only finished 1 newbie.
You mean my very first game? Yeah but then Tywin Lannister happened and TierShift was like "Walls are bad."

Swear it feels like you completed 10

I don't mind walls as long as they're well formatted. No one seems to do that anymore though.

Reported to the cyber police. Say good bye to your account. Cuz you're about to get fuccin beaned.

Hey, blame mastin2. I really like how she does her walls

[Alisae]

Didn't you use to wall in your first couple of Newbie games?

lol couple. I only finished 1 newbie.
You mean my very first game? Yeah but then Tywin Lannister happened and TierShift was like "Walls are bad."

Swear it feels like you completed 10

I don't mind walls as long as they're well formatted. No one seems to do that anymore though.

Reported to the cyber police. Say good bye to your account. Cuz you're about to get fuccin beaned.

Hey, blame mastin2. I really like how she does her walls

And you think I care about the walls part of this conversation?
God you're dense.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Didn't you use to wall in your first couple of Newbie games?

lol couple. I only finished 1 newbie.
You mean my very first game? Yeah but then Tywin Lannister happened and TierShift was like "Walls are bad."

Swear it feels like you completed 10

I don't mind walls as long as they're well formatted. No one seems to do that anymore though.

Reported to the cyber police. Say good bye to your account. Cuz you're about to get fuccin beaned.

Hey, blame mastin2. I really like how she does her walls

And you think I care about the walls part of this conversation?
God you're dense.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

@Wraith:

Could you explain how you got your read on Grey? I don't remember him being a voice of reason so I'd like to know how you got that conclusion.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Actually feel like Grey has been a little quiet which I find odd, its that or I haven't paid much attention to him.

[Wraith]

Have you ever thought of asking me to go more indepth on my reasoning instead of just saying I'm scum for it?

Why do I have to ask for it? Why are you not just saying it?

To understand my reasoning a bit more. Unless you're scum and you don't care about that stuff.
Plus it's not my duty to prove to you that I am town. It's my duty to hunt, find, and lynch scum.

WTF kind of response is this?

My point is if you are actually trying to scumhunt then you should be posting detailed explanations for your reads with context anyways, without anyone having to ask.

I'm not saying you have to post massive walls of quotes and text. That can be done badly to the point it gets ignored (cough dreal cough).

It's the difference between

I scumread Wraith because his post finding rb scummy for apparently scumslipping multiball while also simultaneously being skeptical of this being a multiball setup. Therefore, I'm voting to lynch him.

and

I townread Debi for being a VI. I scumread Wraith and Ircher for pushing a lynch on a VI.

The difference is that Grey's reasoning for scumreading me comes from a logical thought process that is clearly explained; you have decided Debi is a VI for arbitrary reasons you fail to elaborate upon and then scumread players based on that initial unexplained, arbitrary conclusion.

And that's just one example of fake scumhunting out of several so far already. And you're trying to paint ME as the bad guy for finding you scummy for this crap?

[Wraith]

@Wraith:

Could you explain how you got your read on Grey? I don't remember him being a voice of reason so I'd like to know how you got that conclusion.

tl;dr He's coming to conclusions based off a clearly explained, visible thought process. Also just general goodposting.

Spoiler: Quote Wall

And, the reason for this totally useless nonsense is _____?

4-5 scum is a more logical coonclusion for the scum ratio. 9 scum in a 19p NORMAL game has probably a 1 in a Million chance AT BEST. (Most likely, there is a 0 zero chance of that happening cuz that makes Day 1 LyLo and could still screw town w/ a perfect game if it's multiball)

4/19 * 3/18 = 12 / (152 + 190) = 12 / 342 = 4 / 114 = 2 / 57 or <4% chance.
VOTE: Debi

Bad vote is bad.

Scum isn't going to deliberately post terrible numbers that can't possibly be true because it'll simply be corrected immediately. It gains them nothing.

Debi's terribad theorycraft is NAI.

I agree. Assuming 9 scum right off the bat implies foreknowledge of the setup

Welcome to my scum pile.

Echo are you saying it's not a slip in this case?

What's not a slip, what debi said about the 10:9 or whatever? Nah, that was just human error. Just her trying to prove her point. I've done the same kind of thing before. No scuminess behind it.

You got my vote then
VOTE: Wraith

So, is this a sheep vote or are you voting a scumread?

The lack of clarity in your posting is what has me happy to lynch you.

Well, that and the fluffing, and buddying, of course.

lol I didn't even notice this one my first time around

Also I can't decide if RB is town or scum.

On one hand he could be trying to derail the Wraith wagon by attacking two of the people that are on it.
On the other hand, would scum really do a push so bad on both me an Gin?

this bad push is going to have you both lynched on days 1 and 2 respectively

and if you wanna just tell me your other scumbuddy now that's fine too

Clarify this for me rb, are you saying there are only three scum? In a 19p game?

Wrong in hindsight but logical at the time.

Final reads before I go take a shower, go to sleep, and then wake up to find out that I got lynched.

Town: rb, Grey, Uzi, Gin, Pine, Echo, Debi, Zach
Scum: Kyouko, Creature, Wraith, Dunn, and maybe Ircher
Null: Everyone else.

I'd be interested in reading all about how your content resulted in all these reads.

Teach me, Yoda.

I also had the fact that Echo was annoyed that he missed 7 pages was a townslip. Seemed like genuine frustration to me.

You think scum is incapable of being frustrated?

You think town would be bent over 7 pages, which can be covered in less than ten minutes?

Idk, seems null to me.

I did a skim of RB's ISO an hour or so ago and definitely agree with Grey that this:

Also I can't decide if RB is town or scum.

On one hand he could be trying to derail the Wraith wagon by attacking two of the people that are on it.
On the other hand, would scum really do a push so bad on both me an Gin?

this bad push is going to have you both lynched on days 1 and 2 respectively

and if you wanna just tell me your other scumbuddy now that's fine too

Legit looks like a scumslip.

That said, I'm rather skeptical this game is multiball. I speculated possible multiball earlier because Debi's absurd hypothetical scenario could only be multiball, and it legit felt like a slip itself. But in hindsight now I definitely think I read way too much into some rather noob-y early hypothesizing.

But I'm skeptical that this would be a multiball game because 19 seems like too small a total for that. I figured multiball games would pretty much

have

to be in the 20+-player range. Then again, this is only my second real large game since returning to playing games after 5 years, so I'm potentially just out of touch here with how game size meta has changed.

So I'm pretty heavily leaning toward joining the RB wagon when I get home and have a chance to get through that re-read.

Uh?

The only way rb slipped is if the game IS multiball, so saying you think it's a slip but also saying you don't believe the game is multiball doesn't add up.

VOTE: Wraith

Scummy is scummy

But scummy != scum.

Your point?

Oh ikay so we don't lynch scummy players in this game we lynch towny ones?

Yeah nice

False dichotomy.

I didn't intend to promote a wagon, he has a cat in his avatar and we should spare him for now



we have rbs and Pines to lynch

I want to lynch Pine too, don't get me wrong, but why are you against a pressure wagon?

Admitting is a pressure wagon defeats the purpose of having it.

[Gamma Emerald]

I have no clue what's happening
but SD and Ali knida feel scummy