You two know each other?In post 97, Alisae wrote:This is the part where I advocate for debi and say that it's their first game on site.In post 95, Pine wrote:If she'd been a genuine newbie, I could let that go, but she isn't.
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Not IRL but ye somewhat.In post 100, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
You two know each other?In post 97, Alisae wrote:
This is the part where I advocate for debi and say that it's their first game on site.In post 95, Pine wrote:If she'd been a genuine newbie, I could let that go, but she isn't.| here.GTKAS-
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Also no I am not an alt, I used to do mafia a lot of another forum is all, new things here such as what OMGUS or WIFOM have been explained to me via Wiki or other sources. This is my first time on this forum.
Creature if it was A ratio of Town:Scum:Other it would probably be 7:6:6:
So it would be:
For pine to be scum: 6/19
If Pine is Scum, For Gin to be Scum: 5/18
For both it is roughly 1/11:
Meaning there is a 1/11 chance they are both Scum, but of course it is just a hypothesis.
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It says the game ends when all threats to town were eliminated (town win) or it couldn't happen (town loss), but say there's:In post 99, Wraith wrote:
Care to explain your original logic in the first place?In post 77, Creature wrote:
Oh nvm, that does not confirm singleball.In post 67, Ircher wrote:How does that confirm singleball? (Although, that is badly worded imo.)
3 mafia alive
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At this point town pretty much already lost, though, then the mafia would win even if the SK were alive?
Then I realised the game would still go on at that point.Sigh-
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So you think Gin is scum for attempting to clear himself early?In post 102, Debi wrote:Also no I am not an alt, I used to do mafia a lot of another forum is all, new things here such as what OMGUS or WIFOM have been explained to me via Wiki or other sources. This is my first time on this forum.
Creature if it was A ratio of Town:Scum:Other it would probably be 7:6:6:
So it would be:
For pine to be scum: 6/19
If Pine is Scum, For Gin to be Scum: 5/18
For both it is roughly 1/11:
Meaning there is a 1/11 chance they are both Scum, but of course it is just a hypothesis.
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And, the reason for this totally useless nonsense is _____?In post 86, Debi wrote:TheRealGin-N-Tonic, there is something I'm failing to understand to do with your current actions in the round. You have voted to lynch Pine, which is all well and done, at this point in the game, 99% of the votes, won't have any ulterior motive behind them whatsoever, which is fine, if you don't have any main reason to be voting for Pine. However, you have currently created a contradiction, when trying to prove that your vote on Pine is legit, and has reasoning. The main problem with it, is as below:
You are claiming that it is very unlikely, for both you and Pine to both be scum in the same game, however the roles are chosen randomly, and I believe in a random order. So just for the sake of it, lets say we had 10 towns in this game, and 9 scum, it is unlikely but go with it. If Pine was first to get a role, then you, there'd still be a high chance of you both being scum:In post 60, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:It might be one-sided on Pine's side considering he's only made one post showing he's online but stopped saying anything afterwards, however on my end, to give you context to the vote, I recently played a game as an IC and Pine had day talk as scum and manipulated me throughout the game till I sided with him in LyLo and lost the game for town and said I'd vote Pine every game we play together that has daytalk.
I'd love to be able to tell mods in advance what roles to give Pine and I but the likelihood of me playing a game with Pine and I on opposite factions to set up a grudge vote scum theatre just for this game IF we both happened to roll scum would be a god like miracle. However, as much as I wish that was actually true, it is literally a close to impossible scenario, ergo the most logical conclusion is to not treat it as such and wait for more substance throughout the thread before you think you honestly caught 2/X scums when you're already wrong about at least 1 of them.
For Pine to be Scum: 9/19
If Pine is Scum, For Gin to be scum: 8/18
Therefore, For both to be Scum: Roughly 21/100
So it wouldn't be a 'god like miracle', ever.
Also another thing, when voting for somebody, you might thing they are suspicious or whatever. Therefore I have a question for you. If you are wanting to vote Pine, and argue for the vote on Pine, why are you suggesting he might not be scum via the 'when you're already wrong about at least 1 of them'???
UNVOTE: Alisae
VOTE: TheRealGin-N-Tonic
4-5 scum is a more logical coonclusion for the scum ratio. 9 scum in a 19p NORMAL game has probably a 1 in a Million chance AT BEST. (Most likely, there is a 0 zero chance of that happening cuz that makes Day 1 LyLo and could still screw town w/ a perfect game if it's multiball)
4/19 * 3/18 = 12 / (152 + 190) = 12 / 342 = 4 / 114 = 2 / 57 or <4% chance.
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Her first post is to /in for this game, then a few here. Such a direct entrance, nothing in newbie, no confusion or questions, that isn't a newbie. It's an alt.In post 97, Alisae wrote:
This is the part where I advocate for debi and say that it's their first game on site.In post 95, Pine wrote:If she'd been a genuine newbie, I could let that go, but she isn't.
PEdit: That explains things somewhat, but your statistics nonsense is utter horsecrap, don't think that it's at all useful. What is,That kind of odds assessment is only really valid prior to randomization, after the fact it isn't.is.
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Lil Uzi Vert, I don't think of Gin as a scum as of yet, all that I think of him, is as a bit suspicious. He isn't necessarily scum, but I'm mainly going after him on that point for an answer on that sole point, nothing more to be honest.
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Reading too deeply = trying too hard.In post 109, Debi wrote:Lil Uzi Vert, I don't think of Gin as a scum as of yet, all that I think of him, is as a bit suspicious. He isn't necessarily scum, but I'm mainly going after him on that point for an answer on that sole point, nothing more to be honest.
Pine, reading into it too deeply is good, always. I mean, first impressions count right?
Yes, first impressions are important, and you're failing yours."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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I'm from 2 forums, DuelAcademy (Yugioh forum) and another Yugioh Forum, which both took part in mafia games. A few years ago, I was on a forum called WolfWars, which was a mafia game, around 3 years ago I think, so its probably either beent aken down or had a name change by now.In post 110, Creature wrote:What forums are you from?-
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I'd see it as:In post 111, Pine wrote:
Reading too deeply = trying too hard.In post 109, Debi wrote:Lil Uzi Vert, I don't think of Gin as a scum as of yet, all that I think of him, is as a bit suspicious. He isn't necessarily scum, but I'm mainly going after him on that point for an answer on that sole point, nothing more to be honest.
Pine, reading into it too deeply is good, always. I mean, first impressions count right?
Yes, first impressions are important, and you're failing yours.
Trying to hard = Wanting to win and do well
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Well this makes me feel like you were stretching to find a reason to place a vote down but I'm not sure if it's because I'm a idiot and couldn't understand anything you were saying earlier.In post 109, Debi wrote:Lil Uzi Vert, I don't think of Gin as a scum as of yet, all that I think of him, is as a bit suspicious. He isn't necessarily scum, but I'm mainly going after him on that point for an answer on that sole point, nothing more to be honest.
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I agree. Assuming 9 scum right off the bat implies foreknowledge of the setup, which in this case means scum. It's also such an absurd ratio that it would have to mean multiball.In post 106, Ircher wrote:
And, the reason for this totally useless nonsense is _____?In post 86, Debi wrote:TheRealGin-N-Tonic, there is something I'm failing to understand to do with your current actions in the round. You have voted to lynch Pine, which is all well and done, at this point in the game, 99% of the votes, won't have any ulterior motive behind them whatsoever, which is fine, if you don't have any main reason to be voting for Pine. However, you have currently created a contradiction, when trying to prove that your vote on Pine is legit, and has reasoning. The main problem with it, is as below:
You are claiming that it is very unlikely, for both you and Pine to both be scum in the same game, however the roles are chosen randomly, and I believe in a random order. So just for the sake of it, lets say we had 10 towns in this game, and 9 scum, it is unlikely but go with it. If Pine was first to get a role, then you, there'd still be a high chance of you both being scum:In post 60, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:It might be one-sided on Pine's side considering he's only made one post showing he's online but stopped saying anything afterwards, however on my end, to give you context to the vote, I recently played a game as an IC and Pine had day talk as scum and manipulated me throughout the game till I sided with him in LyLo and lost the game for town and said I'd vote Pine every game we play together that has daytalk.
I'd love to be able to tell mods in advance what roles to give Pine and I but the likelihood of me playing a game with Pine and I on opposite factions to set up a grudge vote scum theatre just for this game IF we both happened to roll scum would be a god like miracle. However, as much as I wish that was actually true, it is literally a close to impossible scenario, ergo the most logical conclusion is to not treat it as such and wait for more substance throughout the thread before you think you honestly caught 2/X scums when you're already wrong about at least 1 of them.
For Pine to be Scum: 9/19
If Pine is Scum, For Gin to be scum: 8/18
Therefore, For both to be Scum: Roughly 21/100
So it wouldn't be a 'god like miracle', ever.
Also another thing, when voting for somebody, you might thing they are suspicious or whatever. Therefore I have a question for you. If you are wanting to vote Pine, and argue for the vote on Pine, why are you suggesting he might not be scum via the 'when you're already wrong about at least 1 of them'???
UNVOTE: Alisae
VOTE: TheRealGin-N-Tonic
4-5 scum is a more logical coonclusion for the scum ratio. 9 scum in a 19p NORMAL game has probably a 1 in a Million chance AT BEST. (Most likely, there is a 0 zero chance of that happening cuz that makes Day 1 LyLo and could still screw town w/ a perfect game if it's multiball)
4/19 * 3/18 = 12 / (152 + 190) = 12 / 342 = 4 / 114 = 2 / 57 or <4% chance.
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Implying there's 9 scum and Debi knows that?In post 119, Wraith wrote:Assuming 9 scum right off the bat implies foreknowledge of the setup, which in this case means scum.Sigh-
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In her second post of the game, using a 10 town/9 scum ratio as basis for a hypothetical is extremely unusual.In post 120, Creature wrote:
Implying there's 9 scum and Debi knows that?In post 119, Wraith wrote:Assuming 9 scum right off the bat implies foreknowledge of the setup, which in this case means scum.
Frankly in a closed setup, that isn't a draft, and is a Normal, setup speculation right off the bat is not all that viable considering the majority of town players are going to have absolutely no information on the setup. So why bother unless you already have inside information?
So my primary conclusion is that Debi likely has some kind of setup foreknowledge to be making such a hypothetical so early. My secondary is that if Debi has setup foreknowledge, then her hypothetical implies that her foreknowledge is that the game is multiball. But the secondary can't be confirmed until she flips.
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