I'll start from the beginning, i have a lot to go over
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:34 pm
by Kagami
I'll cut in, since I'm about to go to bed and this finally opened.
I used to have a piece of the orb, the north piece, which I gave away last nigh. Orb pieces can be transferred by being given as a night action, or to one's killer if the holder is killed, or to the hammerer if one is lynched.
The orb peeve came with no instructions, but I imagine we're not supposed to let scum collect them.
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:35 pm
by Kagami
Just read my pms, btw. Interesting.
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:36 pm
by Dunnstral
At the start of the game, I received a fragment of the true orb; the southern fragment of fire. This wasn't something related to my role, and I only got it once the game had officially begun
For reference, here is some flavor talk about the orb:
viewtopic.php?p=8665402#p8665402
viewtopic.php?p=8702809#p8702809
Now, being the southern fragment of fire, it's natural to assume that there are other fragments, which is almost certainly 4 total fragments.
I do not know anything about what these do, I just know how they're moved around. I assume something happens if all 4 are gathered.
If somebody is killed while holding a fragment, it goes to the killer, if they are lynched it goes to the person who placed the hammer vote. Additionally, they can send the fragment to somebody else during the night.
I should have maybe mentioned this yesterday, but you should probably treat l-2 as if it's l-1, and know who's going to be placing the hammer. It won't be easy taking fragments from scum.
Now, here is the weirdness about drealmerz: he pretty obviously softed to having a fragment around day start
Kagami wrote:I'll cut in, since I'm about to go to bed and this finally opened.
I used to have a piece of the orb, the north piece, which I gave away last nigh. Orb pieces can be transferred by being given as a night action, or to one's killer if the holder is killed, or to the hammerer if one is lynched.
The orb peeve came with no instructions, but I imagine we're not supposed to let scum collect them.
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:45 pm
by camntsuki
It it compulsive to give them away?
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:47 pm
by Dunnstral
Anyways, nacho is scum on his own rights but with the orb knowledge you'll see that he has more info than he's letting on.
Why not? I reviewed all the slots and decided I wanted to vote you. But fear not. For now the coyote has shown its true colors. Or, true color; red. Red like the pen of an high school teacher grading the algebra test of a soon-to-be drop out. Because he's wrong. Or maybe it's the red of mafia. That's also possible.
basically here Nahdia says "true" twice then repeats red a bunch. Considering the elements associated with the fragments, it's not unreasonable for someone in nacho's position to assume nahdia was softing the fragment of fire. But I'm the one who had it, so I know this is just a coincidence instead of an actual soft. What's important is, Nacho was actively seeking this.
Really interested in seeing what Nacho says. Wondering what his motive could be. I'm not willing to believe it's all a coincidence.
And are you saying you thought Zito might have a fragment, and you wanted it, thus the hammer?
Why did you want dreamerz to give away his shard?
Also- what happens if you get the orb?
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:55 pm
by Dunnstral
In post 1085, camntsuki wrote:Was Nahdia the fourth? I'm not buying that crumb fully.
I'm almost certain nahdia does not have a fragment.
What matters is, nacho would have reason to believe they did.
camntsuki wrote:
Also- what happens if you get the orb?
I was not told anything about combining or orb, I can only assume.
camntsuki wrote:
And are you saying you thought Zito might have a fragment, and you wanted it, thus the hammer?
It was a possibility, though there was nothing to make me think he had it. I also didn't want the lynch to flip back to drealmerz who I was pretty sure was town and would have had to explain the whole fragment thing day 1. Part of it was to secure a fragment if there was one, however
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:56 pm
by Dunnstral
My theory is that scum started with at least 1 fragment so they'd know what's going on
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:59 pm
by SpyreX
VOTE: camn
So that explains a lot with some of the teehee yesterday.
Is the goal simply to reunite the parts or have something done with them.
I'm on record right now that i have 0 to do with orb madness
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:59 pm
by RedCoyote
First off, Dunn, you have officially got my attention. I'm buying into your story at first glance and it totally is starting to make sense why you and Nahdia seemed so weird around each other if what you are saying is correct. I tend to believe it.
Second, what makes you think that both Nacho has sinister intentions and that he deliberately chose you three for his antagonism? It should be noted that my three picks for lynch yesterday were the same as Nacho.
Third, did you aquire another piece of the orb?
Fourth, PZ has significantly moved up my town list with that no lynch from yesterday.
Fifth,
Dunn wrote:I'm almost certain nahdia does not have a fragment.
HUH?
If Nahdia doesn't have a fragment, what was with all the 'true' talk you just referenced in 1082?
no... that's got nothing to do with it, I don't think nahdia has a fragment and I didn't realize what nacho would have been after until the night
It's why I've been "weird" about drealmerz
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:04 pm
by Dunnstral
In post 1089, RedCoyote wrote:If Nahdia doesn't have a fragment, what was with all the 'true' talk you just referenced in 1082?
Look at it from nacho's pov. I'm explaining why he's scum/knows more than he's letting on, and showing how he would arrive to the conclusion "nahdia has the fragment"
I can come to a very different conclusion because I had the fragment of fire, while nahdia was saying
red
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:05 pm
by RedCoyote
I don't understand. If you don't think Nahdia holds a fragment, why was she dropping the 'true' hints?
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:06 pm
by RedCoyote
Let me put it another way, what makes you think Nahdia isn't scum trying to sniff out for other people with fragments to poach from? Because she didn't vote you?
if you're asking if somebody else gave me another piece of the orb: no comment.
RedCoyote wrote:
Fourth, PZ has significantly moved up my town list with that no lynch from yesterday.
Why?
I'm just waiting for zito and anybody else to explain what happened. It wasn't something I did.
RedCoyote wrote:Second, what makes you think that both Nacho has sinister intentions and that he deliberately chose you three for his antagonism? It should be noted that my three picks for lynch yesterday were the same as Nacho.
He's scummy. He's going after 3 people he'd think have the fragments
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:08 pm
by Dunnstral
In post 1092, RedCoyote wrote:I don't understand. If you don't think Nahdia holds a fragment, why was she dropping the 'true' hints?
a coincidence. That other people would have
thought
was softing. and that's all that matters in the context.
In reality, since I know she doesn't have the fragment of fire, and she was saying red along with true, I can conclude she wouldn't do that if she had another piece, so it is just a coincidence
RedCoyote wrote:Let me put it another way, what makes you think Nahdia isn't scum trying to sniff out for other people with fragments to poach from? Because she didn't vote you?
Huh?
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:09 pm
by Dunnstral
You realize that line from nahdia comes after drealmerz obvious soft and my follow-up
And then SAD died
so no
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:09 pm
by Dunnstral
In post 1088, SpyreX wrote:Is the goal simply to reunite the parts or have something done with them.
I can only assume.
My assumption is that something good happens to whoever holds all the fragments.
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:10 pm
by Ser Arthur Dayne
BAH
I DIED WTF FATE I WAS HAVING FUN.
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:10 pm
by RedCoyote
Why PZ is town: because scum lynchproof and/or 1-shot lynchproof sounds crazy overpowered that not even Fate would torture us with.
I don't see how you can jump to the conclusion that Nacho was targeting you three for the specific reason you outlined. I targetted you three and I did not see this pattern at all.