Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2017 9:57 pm
Also fuck off with the whole 'top town read', I said that I just wanted town reads which he absolutely did not give me.
In post 2283, Regfan wrote:Pretty damn confident he's not; I'll elaborate into this when I get home tonight (Heading out in ~20 minutes) but there's been several things from him today (And tbh throughout the game) that points pretty heavily towards him being mafia, one of the larger ones being his read on TB. I can understand his initial town read and defence on TB given I was along the same thought process but the fact that his read on TB never progressed throughout the game is a big red flag. He's effectively ruled him outIn post 2277, Desperado wrote:Reg, you're fucking it up again. Dunnstral is town.entirelyignored new evidence and information that points towards TB potentially being scum and flat out not commented on him, to do that while also barely defending TB when there's a wagon forming on him today makes no sense as town.
In post 2268, ThinkBig wrote:VOTE: Dunnestral
I know I've been putting this game off and I do apologize. I've been extremely busy and notice that my activity in games seems to go down when I'm widely scum read/close to being lynched. It is something I need to work on.
I can definitely see a Desperado/Dunnestral team. I will elaborate this more when I get to my laptop. There are a few posts that feels like he is outright trying to buddy me. He says he has a town read on me, but can never actually explainwhyhe town reads me.
I'll be happy lynching either desperado or dunnestral today.
In post 2275, ThinkBig wrote:Not once has Dunnestral given reads or explained why he reads people as town or scum.
What happened to you townreading me TB? How did you go from that to voting me after the IC didIn post 2278, ThinkBig wrote:Why is dunnestral town?
In post 1663, ThinkBig wrote:Here is where I am at right now:
Town: {Real, nydush}
Lean town: {Dunnestral}
Null: {Dave}
Scum: {Desperado, Superhans}
I am confident that there is a scum between desperado and Hans and would preferably like to lynch one of those today.
In post 1621, ThinkBig wrote:Final reads for the day
Town (S->W): Realeo, Nydus, (gap) Dunnstrsal, Dave
Null: Gamma, Dave
Null scum: Kop
Scum (S->W): Desperado, Superhans
Gamma will get resolved tonight. If Gamma is actually the goon cop, then Gamma will be dead tonight. I am confident there is scum inside Superhans/Desperado with Superhans slightly more likely to be scum than Desperado.
I'm fine with ending the day phase. It has been almost 3 days and Kop still hasn't came back and answered our questions and responded to our arguments.
Don't think I've ever used activity in other games to change my read on someone in a game I'm in, even games where I'm with the same player in both gamesIn post 2285, Regfan wrote:TB's activity elsewhere in comparison to here etc.
My read doesn't come from his play. It comes from the dead traitor. This is true, but you seem to think I have to be looking at thinkbig's play (he hasn't done anything of note, but lurking out definitely doesn't always mean scum)In post 2287, Regfan wrote:He constantly states he has ThingBig as town and that he doesn't want to lynch him, then look at the reasoning that's attached to it; it's solely and 100% based around AH's push on TB and then stating "Scum are pushing TB", none of it at all has anything to do with TB's play.
He did?In post 2300, Superhans wrote:Also fuck off with the whole 'top town read', I said that I just wanted town reads which he absolutely did not give me.
Dave is town for the same reason Alisae is.Nydus is Alisae and I am the originator of "Alisae wouldn't call me out and push me as traitor as scum."
Realeo has been town the entire game. I haven't wavered on this.
Dunn has been town the entire game. I haven't wavered on this.
Dave is town for the same reason Alisae is.
Lots of different reasons? I don't consider their play all that similar at all & Nydus isn't entirely ruling out TB to the degree that Dunn is.In post 2295, Realeo wrote:Why are you scumreading Dunn and hard townreading nydus...when they are townreading ThinkBig...for the same reason?
We must be seeing two different thing.In post 2309, Regfan wrote:Lots of different reasons? I don't consider their play all that similar at all & Nydus isn't entirely ruling out TB to the degree that Dunn is.
I see Dunn as a potential town voicing concern.In post 2313, Superhans wrote:I know that I have a town read on Dunnstral (subject to change if I find Regfan's argument compelling) and I know that Desperado also has a town read on Dunnstral.
I don't know about D3 content, but from how Dunnstral played D1, D2, I don't see it being particularly scum.
about what?In post 2315, Realeo wrote:I see Dunn as a potential town voicing concern.In post 2313, Superhans wrote:I know that I have a town read on Dunnstral (subject to change if I find Regfan's argument compelling) and I know that Desperado also has a town read on Dunnstral.
I don't know about D3 content, but from how Dunnstral played D1, D2, I don't see it being particularly scum.
In post 2283, Regfan wrote:I can understand his initial town read and defence on TB given I was along the same thought process but the fact that his read on TB never progressed throughout the game is a big red flag. He's effectively ruled him out entirely ignored new evidence and information that points towards TB potentially being scum and flat out not commented on him, to do that while also barely defending TB when there's a wagon forming on him today makes no sense as town.
In post 2285, Regfan wrote:Very untrue. Go back and take a look at his reasoning behind town reading TB, his reasoning is entirely based around AH's interactions and nothing to do with TB's play at all. It's fine to be of the belief that AHs play makes TB more likely to be town (I thought the same thing) but to use that as a basis to town read him alone and ignore TB's actual play does not make sense. The fact he's maintained this very stance on TB today while ignoring logic that has nothing to do with AH pointing towards TB being mafia (TB's way of dealing with SH, TB's activity elsewhere in comparison to here etc.) does not have a town thought process behind it.
In post 2287, Regfan wrote:I mean do me one favour; open up Dunstrals ISO and do two searches; "ThingBig" and "TB" and look at the progression throughout the game. He constantly states he has ThingBig as town and that he doesn't want to lynch him, then look at the reasoning that's attached to it; it's solely and 100% based around AH's push on TB and then stating "Scum are pushing TB", none of it at all has anything to do with TB's play. Him maintaining that read with information that doesn't relate to AH makes no sense, none. He doesn't comment on the other reasoning, he doesn't state other reasons he town reads TB, there's nothing.
In post 2231, Regfan wrote:Your scum read on Dave isn't even anywhere as elaborated as you think it may be inside the thread, there's a few votes on him for a few comments but nothing to portray the confidence you're trying to claim you have for it.
In post 2231, Regfan wrote:The way you're treating SuperHans/Desperado here is exactly what I'm talking about finding scummy, the "I don't need to figure them out right now" is a load of bollocks, if you acknowledge that the votes likely won't be going onto Dave today you absolutely do have to sort them out, heck you even have to sort them out if the votes do go to Dave. The whole bolded section from you comes very very much across as mafia.
In post 2219, Regfan wrote:Similarly your stance on Desperado is ????? in that you have somewhat of a scum read on him but don't have him in your actual scum team guesses at the moment nor do you look like you're trying to work out his alignment. Your read on SuperHans is even more of a ???? in that you agree with my point that him not knowing Gamma was dead points towards him being town (Which is a fairly strong argument tbqh) yet when you disagreed with my partner analysis he was the first person you pointed to.
Effectively what he's done today is not scumhunting, it's not trying to solve the game, it's very obvious scum play. His reaction towards my partner analysis for instance where he "disagreed" with it since it makes TB scum to him if he agrees with the reads without stating what he disagreed with until I pushed him and his reaction being to throw SuperHans under the buss despite agreeing with the town tell from him is not town play.In post 2214, Regfan wrote:I think in particular your stance on SuperHans, ThingBig and Desperado are all very problematic and not well thought out or at least put forward into the thread. I think you agreeing that SuperHans action from earlier makes a lot of sense as town but still maintaining him in your scum pool now has a lot of motivation to do as mafia. I think there's been minimal effort in regards to you solving Deperados alignment especially since he's not in any of your actual scum team guesses but you don't have a town read on him. I liked your town read and defence of ThinkBig earlier in the game but the read and reasoning has remaining fairly static as the games progressed.
hmm if DunnstralIn post 2268, ThinkBig wrote:VOTE: Dunnestral
I know I've been putting this game off and I do apologize. I've been extremely busy and notice that my activity in games seems to go down when I'm widely scum read/close to being lynched. It is something I need to work on.
I can definitely see a Desperado/Dunnestral team. I will elaborate this more when I get to my laptop. There are a few posts that feels like he is outright trying to buddy me. He says he has a town read on me, but can never actually explainwhyhe town reads me.
I'll be happy lynching either desperado or dunnestral today.