Mafiascum.net

In post 1804, Desperado wrote:

Spoiler: Color Coded VCs, D1 and D2

In post 50, grapes wrote:

DAY 1 VC 001

Superhans ( 4 ) -

(

Kop

,

ssbm_Kyouko

, Superhans,

Gamma Emerald

)

MariaR ( 2 ) -

(

ReubenWasFine

, Dunnstral)

Realeo ( 1 ) -

(ThinkBig)

Gamma Emerald

( 1 ) -

(

algebra

)

Secret Agent Jin ( 1 ) -

(davesaz)

davesaz ( 1 ) -

(MariaR)

Kop

( 1 ) -

(Secret Agent Jin)

Not Voting ( 1 ) -

(Realeo)

Seven to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-05 01:30:02) remain until deadline.

Hohoho!

In post 175, grapes wrote:

DAY 1 VC 002

Gamma Emerald

( 3 ) -

(

algebra

, Dunnstral, Superhans)

Superhans ( 2 ) -

(

Kop

, MariaR)

MariaR ( 2 ) -

(

ReubenWasFine

, ThinkBig)

Realeo ( 2 ) -

(

ssbm_Kyouko

,

Gamma Emerald

)

Secret Agent Jin ( 1 ) -

(davesaz)

Kop

( 1 ) -

(Secret Agent Jin)

Dunnstral ( 1 ) -

(Realeo)

Not Voting ( 0 )

Seven to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-05 01:30:02) remain until deadline.

Gamma is v/la until 12/25
ThinkBig is v/la until 12/27

In post 262, grapes wrote:

DAY 1 VC 003

Realeo ( 4 ) -

(

ssbm_Kyouko

,

Gamma Emerald

,

algebra

, Secret Agent Jin)

Superhans ( 2 ) -

(

Kop

, MariaR)

MariaR ( 2 ) -

(

ReubenWasFine

, ThinkBig)

Secret Agent Jin ( 2 ) -

(davesaz, Dunnstral)

Gamma Emerald

( 1 ) -

(Superhans)

Not Voting ( 1 ) -

(Realeo)

Seven to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-05 01:30:02) remain until deadline.

Seeking a replacement for Maria.
Prods will go out tomorrow!

In post 291, grapes wrote:

DAY 1 VC 004

Gamma Emerald

( 5 ) -

(Superhans, ThinkBig, Realeo, Desperado,

Kop

)

Realeo ( 3 ) -

(

ssbm_Kyouko

,

algebra

, Secret Agent Jin)

Desperado ( 2 ) -

(

ReubenWasFine

,

Gamma Emerald

)

Secret Agent Jin ( 2 ) -

(davesaz, Dunnstral)

Not Voting ( 0 )

Seven to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-05 01:30:02) remain until deadline.

Prodding

algebra

and

ReubenWasFine

.

In post 326, grapes wrote:

DAY 1 VC 005

Gamma Emerald

( 5 ) -

(Superhans, ThinkBig, Realeo, Desperado,

Kop

)

Realeo ( 3 ) -

(

ssbm_Kyouko

,

algebra

, Secret Agent Jin)

Desperado ( 2 ) -

(

ReubenWasFine

,

Gamma Emerald

)

Secret Agent Jin ( 1 ) -

(davesaz)

Not Voting ( 1 ) -

(Dunnstral)

Seven to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-05 01:30:02) remain until deadline.

Seeking a replacement for

ReubenWasFine

.

In post 371, grapes wrote:

DAY 1 VC 006

Antihuman

( 4 ) -

(

Gamma Emerald

, ThinkBig, Desperado,

ssbm_Kyouko

)

Gamma Emerald

( 2 ) -

(Realeo,

Kop

)

Realeo ( 2 ) -

(

algebra

, Secret Agent Jin)

Secret Agent Jin ( 1 ) -

(davesaz)

ThinkBig ( 1 ) -

(

Antihuman

)

Not Voting ( 2 ) -

(Superhans, Dunnstral)

Seven to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-05 01:30:02) remain until deadline.

Prodding

Kop

.

In post 437, grapes wrote:

DAY 1 VC 007

Antihuman

( 4 ) -

(

Gamma Emerald

, ThinkBig, Desperado,

ssbm_Kyouko

)

Realeo ( 2 ) -

(

algebra

, Secret Agent Jin)

Gamma Emerald

( 1 ) -

(Realeo)

Secret Agent Jin ( 1 ) -

(davesaz)

ThinkBig ( 1 ) -

(

Antihuman

)

Desperado ( 1 ) -

(Dunnstral)

Not Voting ( 2 ) -

(Superhans,

Kop

)

Seven to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-05 01:30:02) remain until deadline.

Secret Agent Jin has requested replacement.

In post 512, grapes wrote:

DAY 1 VC 008

Antihuman

( 3 ) -

(

Gamma Emerald

, Desperado,

ssbm_Kyouko

)

Desperado ( 2 ) -

(Dunnstral, Alisae)

Realeo ( 1 ) -

(

algebra

)

Gamma Emerald

( 1 ) -

(Realeo)

Secret Agent Jin ( 1 ) -

(davesaz)

ThinkBig ( 1 ) -

(

Antihuman

)

Dunnstral ( 1 ) -

(ThinkBig)

Not Voting ( 2 ) -

(Superhans,

Kop

)

Seven to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-05 01:30:02) remain until deadline.

In post 609, grapes wrote:

DAY 1 VC 009

Antihuman

( 5 ) -

(

Gamma Emerald

, Desperado,

ssbm_Kyouko

, ThinkBig, Alisae)

ThinkBig ( 3 ) -

(

Antihuman

, Superhans, Realeo)

Desperado ( 2 ) -

(Dunnstral, davesaz)

Realeo ( 1 ) -

(

algebra

)

Not Voting ( 1 ) -

(

Kop

)

Seven to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-05 01:30:02) remain until deadline.

Prodding

Kop

and

Gamma Emerald

.
Let me know if the VC is incorrect for some reason.

No deadline extension.

In post 669, grapes wrote:

DAY 1 VC 010

Antihuman

( 5 ) -

(

Gamma Emerald

, ThinkBig, Alisae, davesaz, Superhans)

ThinkBig ( 3 ) -

(

Antihuman

, Realeo, Desperado)

Desperado ( 1 ) -

(Dunnstral)

Realeo ( 1 ) -

(

algebra

)

Kop

( 1 ) -

(

ssbm_Kyouko

)

Not Voting ( 1 ) -

(

Kop

)

Seven to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-05 01:30:02) remain until deadline.

In post 715, grapes wrote:

Day 1 Finish.

FINAL DAY 1 VC

Antihuman

( 7 ) -

(

Gamma Emerald

, ThinkBig, Alisae, davesaz, Superhans,

Kop

, Desperado)

ThinkBig ( 2 ) -

(

Antihuman

, Realeo)

Desperado ( 1 ) -

(Dunnstral)

Realeo ( 1 ) -

(

algebra

)

Kop

( 1 ) -

(

ssbm_Kyouko

)

Not Voting ( 0 )

Seven to lynch.

---

Antihuman

(Mafia Traitor)

was lynched Day 1.

Night 1 begins now and ends in (expired on 2017-01-07 02:12:02).

In post 816, grapes wrote:

DAY 2 VC 001

Gamma Emerald

( 3 ) -

(

Kop

, Realeo, Superhans)

ThinkBig ( 3 ) -

(Desperado,

Gamma Emerald

, Alisae)

Realeo ( 1 ) -

(

algebra

)

Not Voting ( 3 ) -

(davesaz, ThinkBig, Dunnstral)

Six to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-21 05:24:02) remain until deadline.

In post 864, grapes wrote:

DAY 2 VC 002

Gamma Emerald

( 4 ) -

(

Kop

, Realeo, Superhans, Dunnstral)

ThinkBig ( 4 ) -

(Desperado,

Gamma Emerald

, Alisae, davesaz)

Realeo ( 1 ) -

(

algebra

)

Not Voting ( 1 ) -

(ThinkBig)

Six to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-21 05:24:02) remain until deadline.

In post 932, grapes wrote:

DAY 2 VC 003

ThinkBig ( 5 ) -

(Desperado,

Gamma Emerald

, Alisae, davesaz, Realeo)

Gamma Emerald

( 2 ) -

(

Kop

, Superhans)

Alisae ( 1 ) -

(Dunnstral)

Not Voting ( 2 ) -

(

algebra

, ThinkBig)

Six to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-21 05:24:02) remain until deadline.

In post 956, grapes wrote:

DAY 2 VC 004

ThinkBig ( 5 ) -

(Desperado,

Gamma Emerald

, Alisae, davesaz, Realeo)

Gamma Emerald

( 1 ) -

(

Kop

)

Alisae ( 1 ) -

(Dunnstral)

Not Voting ( 3 ) -

(

algebra

, ThinkBig, Superhans)

Six to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-21 05:24:02) remain until deadline.

Prodding

algebra

and

Kop

.

In post 1088, grapes wrote:

DAY 2 VC 005

ThinkBig ( 4 ) -

(Desperado, Alisae, davesaz, Realeo)

Gamma Emerald

( 1 ) -

(

Kop

)

Alisae ( 1 ) -

(Dunnstral)

Desperado ( 1 ) -

(ThinkBig)

Not Voting ( 3 ) -

(

algebra

, Superhans,

Gamma Emerald

)

Six to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-21 05:24:02) remain until deadline.

Seeking replacement for

algebra

.

In post 1269, grapes wrote:

DAY 2 VC 006

Kop

( 3 ) -

(Dunnstral, Desperado,

Regfan

)

ThinkBig ( 2 ) -

(Alisae, davesaz)

Gamma Emerald

( 1 ) -

(

Kop

)

Not Voting ( 4 ) -

(Superhans,

Gamma Emerald

, Realeo, ThinkBig)

Six to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-21 05:24:02) remain until deadline.

Please refrain from using provable randomness -- even just for emoticons.
Thinkbig v/la until Monday.

Gamma Emerald

v/la until Tuesday.

Seeking a replacement for Alisae.

In post 1310, grapes wrote:

DAY 2 VC 007

Kop

( 5 ) -

(Dunnstral, Desperado,

Regfan

, davesaz, Superhans)

ThinkBig ( 2 ) -

(Alisae, Realeo)

Not Voting ( 3 ) -

(

Kop

,

Gamma Emerald

, ThinkBig)

Six to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-21 05:24:02) remain until deadline.

In post 1391, grapes wrote:

DAY 2 VC 008

Kop

( 2 ) -

(

Regfan

, davesaz)

ThinkBig ( 2 ) -

(Alisae, Realeo)

davesaz ( 2 ) -

(

Kop

, Dunnstral)

Desperado ( 1 ) -

(ThinkBig)

Superhans ( 1 ) -

(Desperado)

Not Voting ( 2 ) -

(

Gamma Emerald

, Superhans)

Six to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-21 05:24:02) remain until deadline.

ThinkBig is v/la until Monday.

Gamma Emerald

is v/la until Tuesday.

Still looking for a replacement for Alisae!

In post 1484, grapes wrote:

DAY 2 VC 009

Kop

( 3 ) -

(

Regfan

, davesaz, Dunnstral)

ThinkBig ( 2 ) -

(Alisae, Realeo)

davesaz ( 1 ) -

(

Kop

)

Desperado ( 1 ) -

(ThinkBig)

Superhans ( 1 ) -

(Desperado)

Not Voting ( 2 ) -

(

Gamma Emerald

, Superhans)

Six to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-21 05:24:02) remain until deadline.

In post 1500, grapes wrote:

DAY 2 VC 010

Kop

( 5 ) -

(

Regfan

, davesaz, Dunnstral, Superhans, ThinkBig)

ThinkBig ( 1 ) -

(Realeo)

davesaz ( 1 ) -

(

Kop

)

Superhans ( 1 ) -

(Desperado)

Regfan

( 1 ) -

(nydushermain)

Not Voting ( 1 ) -

(

Gamma Emerald

)

Six to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-21 05:24:02) remain until deadline.

In post 1653, grapes wrote:

FINAL DAY 2 VC

Kop

( 6 ) -

(

Regfan

, davesaz, Dunnstral, Superhans, ThinkBig, nydushermain)

ThinkBig ( 1 ) -

(Realeo)

davesaz ( 1 ) -

(

Kop

)

Superhans ( 1 ) -

(Desperado)

Not Voting ( 1 ) -

(

Gamma Emerald

)

Six to lynch.

---

Kop

(Roleblocker)

was lynched Day 2.

Night 2 begins now and ends in (expired on 2017-01-21 21:33:02).

Thanks, but no analysis?

In post 882, Desperado wrote:

In post 881, Realeo wrote:Although there is one plot hole in your reasoning, Desperado.

How does, ThinkBig exactly catch the signal "So you're traitor, AntiHuman? Sorry. I would back off."

If someone replaced in to a game and immediately started creating a completely bullshit case against me as scum, and then a couple pages later was like "LOL just kidding, that was made up just to prove that you could do that against anyone and at least it got a bunch of reactions! hahaha" I think I would get the point and back off.

Don't you?

None to be had. Traitor flip D1 renders anything there moot, and Reg strongarmed the Kop lynch yesterday so I mean, I could state the obvious and say I think both remaining scum were on the Kop lynch but, you know.

Superhans is consistently a late entrant on big wagons, other than wagons on ThinkBig. The only exception to this rule that I see is being early on Gamma d1, but that was after being 3rd on that wagon and two left it.

In post 1813, Superhans wrote:Davesaz maybe.

Why can't we vote davesaz, then?

In post 1827, davesaz wrote:Superhans is consistently a late entrant on big wagons, other than wagons on ThinkBig. The only exception to this rule that I see is being early on Gamma d1, but that was after being 3rd on that wagon and two left it.

So do you think Superhans is scum, then? What's your opinion on Desperado and Thinkbig?

In post 1829, Dunnstral wrote:

In post 1827, davesaz wrote:Superhans is consistently a late entrant on big wagons, other than wagons on ThinkBig. The only exception to this rule that I see is being early on Gamma d1, but that was after being 3rd on that wagon and two left it.

So do you think Superhans is scum, then? What's your opinion on Desperado and Thinkbig?

The voting pattern suggests SH scum, yes. This is only part of it, I want to look at attitudes surrounding the votes.
Work in progress. I'm looking at all the question marks the same way, seeing if the vote patterns are natural feeling or if they feel contrived.

I'll be getting to this tomorrow; want to give some time for everyone else to get their thoughts down before I interrupt.

In case it's not obvious, the flips force me to do an almost complete reset as it's likely most of what I thought was wrong. A reset isn't going to be very fast.

Continuing on with looking at votes...
SAJ is on Realeo d1 and it gets to 4. Alisae switched to Desperado - why?
Alisae then goes to AH, starting off in wagon position 5.
D3 something happens that causes Alisae to replace out. Suspicion that it's thinly veiled but tactical
Note: look at what was happening...

nydushermain replaces Alisae and votes Regfan. I thought at the time, surely it would be obvious Regfan is IC, but on further examination the mod did not update the playerlist to indicate confirmed town so this looks more like a greeting. lots of back and forth and then a hammer.

Followup questions -- why did Alisae change the vote to Desperado? What were the circumstances leading up to Alisae replace out?

In post 1828, Dunnstral wrote:

In post 1813, Superhans wrote:Davesaz maybe.

Why can't we vote davesaz, then?

Go ahead, fine by me.

I'd quite like a lynch within:
{Desperado or ThinkBig}

Ugh... Okay I'll try when I get back -_- . I can't believe both of them are roles. I can't believe mafia DIDN'T choose recruit a friend LOL with 1 power.

In post 1827, davesaz wrote:Superhans is consistently a late entrant on big wagons, other than wagons on ThinkBig. The only exception to this rule that I see is being early on Gamma d1, but that was after being 3rd on that wagon and two left it.

My lateness to the AntiHuman wagon was because I wasn't that convinced AH was town.

Imho this alone is.n exceptionally poor.reason to want to lynch me. Hopefully other players will agree with me.

I mean I wasn't convinced AH was scum if you read the posts leading up to my AH vote you'll see why I'm last.

I think Davesaz is being opportunistic, I'm an easier player to push than either Desperado or ThinkBig.

Okay taking that last post back, I had thought Dave had voted for me.

Dave what is your read on:
T H I N K B I G
D E S P E R A D O
?

A N Y O N E not scumreading either TB or Desperado?

I think the easy / obvious is town's undoing. I plan to take my time and thoroughly analyze everyone other than the IC.

If ThinkBig is scum, why are his reads changing in such an organic way that flows with the game events?

In post 1844, davesaz wrote:If ThinkBig is scum, why are his reads changing in such an organic way that flows with the game events?

Loaded question

In post 1839, Superhans wrote:I think Davesaz is being opportunistic, I'm an easier player to push than either Desperado or ThinkBig.

In post 1840, Superhans wrote:Okay taking that last post back, I had thought Dave had voted for me.

Your elevated defensiveness here is noted. As to whether it is AI or not, I'm undecided. I tend to have knee jerk OMGUS-like reactions as town and it's possible others do too.

In post 1845, nydushermain wrote:

In post 1844, davesaz wrote:If ThinkBig is scum, why are his reads changing in such an organic way that flows with the game events?

Loaded question

Honest question. I'm making an observation but I'm open to an explanation that overrules it.

From this day I think Dave is town but I'm on my phone. I'm still leaning towards TB being towny based on the same reasoning as regfan

I also think tb is towny

UNVOTE:

Superhans is looking bad backing off from desperado but trying to get others onto him or tb