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So you saying I was scum with kop was sarcasm?

Still think we're probably just lynching Kop here barring a good explanation of his actions but we really need this mass-claim to happen faster we so we can evaluate these claims.

I went over the Desperado/SuperHans interaction from a few pages back and didn't like it on SuperHans end at all, found that his stance in that argument didn't match his play inside the game.

I'm not actually scum reading Daves recent posts and find elements of #1424 (Particularly the "My town play is obvious it borders on being illegal" line) to be something that's very hard for scum to actually post.

Vanilla Town

VT

I'm VT

Wait for Alisae or wut?

In hopes of speeding this up you should probably just go now.

If Alisea is following along rejoining the game and claiming afterwards would stop this game from being stagnant.

I'm VT.

While waiting for Alisea/a replacement I finally went through Dunns ISO. I disliked Dunns defence of AH inside Post 367 and his Post 384, think it's very hard to have that stance after the lack of merit behind AH's case. I liked his response to Alisea in Post 493 about Desperado and traitors and Post 545. I liked his entrance into D2 about TB in Post 720 and liked his reassessment on Desperado around ~Post 723 and think his defence of TB!Town inside Post 804 is very town motivated. Did have a little chuckle at Post 846. Liked his reads inside Post 923 as they mirrored mine there. Very much agreed with his analysis of Kop inside Post 1148. All up I town read a lot of his actions and posts throughout the game but there's no singular action of his that I think is completely unfakeable. I think he's probably town here and certainly has the more logical reads in the thread but wouldn't entirely rule him out of being scum.

In post 537, Antihuman wrote:

In post 492, Alisae wrote: Davesaz - Town
Genuinely attempting to solve the game

<--- agreed

This always makes me worried.

because Antihuman agreed at Davesaz town, but WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH ALISAE'S MIND?

I mean, the context is the last 10 pages, which is page 11 ~ page 20.

But I don't remember that at all?

Alisae has Kop as "town, genuinely ..." in the same quoted post. (different wording than mine)
I thought, eh, I remember not thinking that about Kop back then so I re-ISOd him.

In post 241, Kop wrote:

In post 224, Dunnstral wrote:mafia traitor is bulletproof btw so they wouldn't even die

I didn't realise it's BP until I looked at the setup specs. It's one shot though, but obviously that doesn't mean anything, just means scum won't shoot that slot again.

Turns out he looked at the setup back then, in enough detail to notice traitor is 1-shot BP.

He did. The question is did he notice the traitor crumb, right?

I am somewhat confindent that Alisae is Power Role.

24 hours.

Not in optimal condition of brain to play it. Making too many logical mistake.

I mean, I have confbias so I need to wind out my brain.

But some details about ThinkBig is town can't be filled despite best effort.

So I just take a quick walk and I realized 2 problems.

• According to you regfan, TB is VI because he is weak. The question would be,
  If town!TB is a weakplayer, than what would scum!TB be?
  Einstein? A weak player as well, right?
  
• SuperHans pointed this. Regfan said that AH started a wagon from GE to TB only a subversion. Merely a Traitor v Town. If that's the case
  Why AH didn't push TB until final blood?
  Why say "lynch me I flip town" at
  L-2
  ?
  an unnecessary move that he know he would flip traitor

The more I think it, occam razor wise, Alisae's case makes more sense. It's like AH want to remove any guilty assosiation.

I think Alisae case of AH inviting lynch to himself makes perfect sense.

conf!bias, possibly.

In post 1175, Regfan wrote:This entire push that a traitor is more likely to replace into a game and hard push a partner in an attempt to get themselves lynched D1 to make their partner look better is a real stretch and would be

very suboptimal traitor play.

however.

1 ] I just can't ignore AntiHuman's attitude.

2 ] Since it's suboptimal play, wouldn't it make excellent gambit, ? regfan, you knew who he is, but only after he's dead you sub in

Personally

1] I have played a game where I bus someone from get go to remove any trace.

2] The VI gambit that I mentioned early, was first played in my Newbies game in mafiascum.net because "no meta" background

I swear, I tried my best to townread TB. However, it's like those Sherlock moment where "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."

In post 1307, Regfan wrote:You didn't want an "Inactive Child", well you got an active one, one that's

more experienced than you and one that's telling you TB is town

and not the focus needs to move elsewhere.

Let me say this:

The last time someone did this

• He was a SE in my Newbies game. Using his SEness to dominate the exchange.
  
• He mocked me. Called me "WOTCed in 3 months"
  
• Also being hyper-confindent like you.
  
• Pushed on town and the scum he is townread buddy him
  
• Took 9 pages of exchange to actually convince to lynch the right guy

, please don't do that. People with such attitude is actively deterring new players from joining this game.

Such attitude should only stay in EpicMafia.com tournament lobby, where there is no new player.

#LynchTheNoavi

Or Team Mafia 2017.

In post 1426, Regfan wrote:I went over the Desperado/SuperHans interaction from a few pages back and didn't like it on SuperHans end at all, found that his stance in that argument didn't match his play inside the game.

SuperHans is a new player so I reminded you before you went interrogate him.

If you are nervous of Gamma's wagon, why you don't role block him?

Hold on a second. Why is it not town consistent if Kop didn't roleblock Gamma? According to TB and regfan, we called it didn't consistent because he changed from Kyouko -> Gamma?

But from town!Kop's mind, when he roleblocked kyouko, kyouko is still alive. It's a double standard to expect Kop would vote for Kyouko despite he's dead, right?

Let me rephrase it: regfan said that there's inconsistency on how he thinks. That is true assuming that Kop thinks GE > Kyouko.

But can't we assume that Kop thinks Kyouko > GE, which makes more sense?

Another scum point for TB for repeating what regfan previously said.