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Ignore the three roles listed at the top of the post, that's just part of my notes when analysisng this.

I want to go through Dunns ISO & get a claim from Kop before we considering moving on.

Going back through the game and through kop's ISO, he has shown little attempt to solve the game give reads. His parked vote on Gamma, even after Gamma claimed Goon Cop, worries me the most. IIRC, he parked his vote on Gamma on D1 for almost 100 posts until making a naked vote on antihuman after it was clear that AH would be the lynch.

I won't hammer until we get a claim from kop. If kop flips town, I'm thinking either Dave or desperado.

@ThingBig - What do you think of Kops dumbtell? Do like that you agree with my strong town reads on Alisea & Realo though I think both deserve to be above Gamma on your list for the timing being. Can you elaborate on your Desperado scum read for me and how that read has progressed throughout the game since that's the read you've explained the least.

In post 1277, ThinkBig wrote:I won't hammer until we get a claim from kop. If kop flips town, I'm thinking either Dave or desperado.

Please don't hammer till I'm ready as well. I'd like roughly ~24 hours.

Real is definitely a TR and alisae'a slot is still null. I will reevaluate his slot once the replacement comes in.

Which "dumbtell" post are you referring to? The ones about the traitor?

Also, I know you're still not sure about Gamma. Do you think Kop's parked vote could potentially be a soft CC?

"soft cc"

No

No, Kops absolutely not "soft cc'ing". Can you run me through exactly where you are with Alisea (Null alone doesn't mean much to me)? Can you also get to that Desperado read.

I'm referring to Kop stating he believed mafia knew the traitor via their role PM all game, if he's mafia he'd know this isn't true therefore he's either town or scum that faked the dumbtell. Your stance on that is appreciated.

And Gammas slightly lower in the placement order for me because it's not impossible that he's just fake claimed as mafia, that said his investigation target of Realo runs smoothly with how read Realo D1 to how he reacted to someone voting Realo D2. It's enough that I'm willing to call him probably town and see how the claiming situation plays out later in the game.

Desperado is still a strong scum read. He's been throwing shades at me nearly all game long and has been tunneling me in a way that is anti-town. I'm phone posting now and will go through all of this after work. I'll also finish going through Alisae and try to get a better read on that slot.

Re: Gamma. I don't think that scum would purposefully out themselves like that to get a CC. I was Gamma's scum buddy in Open 661. I tried to pull that shit off and it didn't work out for us.

Re: Dumbtell. I will have to evaluate that when I get back to my laptop. It does make more sense from town POV, though Kop is an experienced player (far more than I am) and it doesn't seem like the kind of slip coming from an experienced player.

@regfan:What are your thoughts of the dumbtell?

@ThingBig - Why do you think Desperados push on you is him being mafia rather than him just being incorrect as town? Willing to wait for you to get to a computer to go through his/Aliseas ISOs to answer.

If scum really didn't add any modifiers then him claiming goon cop has a roughly ~1/4 chance of being CC'ed, that's not particularly high enough that would stop him fake claiming thinking he may be lynched otherwise. Like I said the way the claim happened and how he softed it does make much more sense as town but he's certainly not lock clear from it.

I'm conflicted on what to make of the dumbtell, I don't see how town that genuinely is reading through the thread can have that belief (That mafia knew traitor via role PM) unless they're not actually reading the thread properly and ignoring lots of conversations. I also don't see how Kop can have held that belief given some of his own posts inside this thread, the fact he's played the seutp before and the fact he's played as traitor where mafia didn't know who he was too. That said I don't know if attempting to fake a dumbtell like that is what mafia would think to do, it has scum motivation yes but is it the play they realise? Not sure.

@Regfan: More likely that he is Mafia as the way that he has been pushing and throwing shades seems to be trying to pull off an easy mislynch. Once I get back to my computer, I'll go through and show this.

That's is exactly my issue with kop, though he was town the last time he played this set up and it scum chose to recruit the traitor. Like I said, this is something I don't expect coming from an experienced player like kop.

In post 1276, ThinkBig wrote:

Intent to hammer

Going back through the game and through kop's ISO, he has shown little attempt to solve the game give reads. His parked vote on Gamma, even after Gamma claimed Goon Cop, worries me the most. IIRC, he parked his vote on Gamma on D1 for almost 100 posts until making a naked vote on antihuman after it was clear that AH would be the lynch.

@Real

In post 1143, ThinkBig wrote:Before I head off for shabbos, here are my reads:

Regfan

Gamma Emerald

Realeo

Alsae

Dunnestral

Superhans
Kop

Desperado

Davesaz

Spoiler: Key

Conftown

Town

LeanTown

NullTown

Null - {N}

NullScum

LeanScum

Scum

ConfScum

I'll give a full explanation of my reads after shabbos. For now, I believe Gamma's claim and should there be a counterclaim, get a results to night and CC tomorrow. Gamma's result of not a goon on real makes it far more likely that he is town than scum. Gamma/Real=Not a team. Claiming an innocent result on a scum buddy would be far too risky.

I want to go back through dave and desperado's ISO. Their push on me seems opportunistic. I also don't like the way that Desperado has been throwing shades.

Have a good shabbos/weekend everyone!

Why I was scum back early?

I don't understand how me + Alisae jump from scummies 3 into safe zone.

I just don't get it. Where did that comes from.

During that interval, I made that town read post. What did Alisae do?

I also don't understand your progresss of though.

In post 502, ThinkBig wrote:

Alisae

- Strong town lean. I like his analysis so far and he seems to be making a genuine attempt to scum hunt and solve the game.

He's top town

In post 993, Alisae wrote:OMGAWD YEAH HE DIIIIIID. REALEO NEVER UNVOTED!

And I will when I get back home.

In post 991, Alisae wrote:Duuuuuuuude. You just hammered.

In post 999, ThinkBig wrote:For now

VOTE: Alisae

I feel like 991 and 993 were contrived.

Then bottom 3...

Then weak town read.

(your read list)

Then null

In post 1279, ThinkBig wrote:alisae'a slot is still null.

What is happening?

Alright, you've shown that thinkbig's read on Alisae has been changing. Now show how that's scummy, or did you have some other point?

@Alisae thoughts on Kop?

And what do you think of what Realeo is saying here?

In post 1296, Dunnstral wrote:@Alisae thoughts on Kop?

And what do you think of what Realeo is saying here?

Alisae replaced out.

Wait, they're replacing out... nvm

Realeo - TB did state his reads and where he was at before stating intent to hammer, I'd like reasoning behind some of his reads but he's stated he's willing to get to those when he's at a computer next which is reasonable. As for Alisea, his read has been changing on them throughout the game (Which is natural to happen for townies), he had them as a strong town read early on, scum read her for the fake hammer thing and then moved them to null which seems like a fair placement overall given his stance on them; he'll be getting around to going through their ISO shortly and we can judge him based on it then.