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In post 1198, Alisae wrote:LOL! Scum will use whatever tactics they can use to perseve as townie and attempt to get mislynches, will they not?

But this is what you're suggesting is happening. You're suggesting that scum used a tactic not to have people perceive them as townie but rather as scum on D1 and they weren't going for a mslynch, they were going to ensure that the lynch was between two mafia members D1 (Traitor and goon). This thought process makes no sense. If you continue to push this I'm not going to bother reading your ISO and will just vote you.

But why he would get himself self lynched? To give TB town cred?

I mean, your explanation explains why TB suddenly change mood at L-2, but the end goal?

*why AH suddenly change mood at L-2

You know what, we are scumreading Daveaz. Let's forget TB and talk about Daveas earlier.


Let me bring some iso.

Reg, I can see this going two ways.
A. I stop pushing this and appease you therefore you think I am scum.
B. I continue pushing this and you think I am scum.
Quite frankly I don't really care in proving myself as a townie, I just want to lynch scum and explain why I think they are scum.

Yeah, they were going for a lynch between 2 maf members. It's not that day's lynch they were concerned about, it's future mislynches that they were hoping to happen.
Hence why they would attempt to get mislynches. People would go look in their iso to try to figure out if they were lieing or telling the truth. Most people will think that they are lieing becuase no one actually expects a traitor to tell the truth.
So if a traitor tells the truth when he gives townreads, people will go back in his ISO, see "Oh, these are the people that he gave TRs. A few of them must be scum." And lynch them. And then they flip townie.

In post 1201, Realeo wrote:But why he would get himself self lynched? To give TB town cred?

YES

Ah wasn't trying to get himself lynched.

And his case was bad because?

He's decent.

Hey alisae, what are your thoughts on non-tb players? What happens if tb flips town?

In post 1207, Alisae wrote:And his case was bad because?

I did't think it was bad, actually

In post 1210, Dunnstral wrote:

In post 1207, Alisae wrote:And his case was bad because?

I did't think it was bad, actually

It's shallow.

In post 1211, Alisae wrote:

In post 1210, Dunnstral wrote:

In post 1207, Alisae wrote:And his case was bad because?

I did't think it was bad, actually

It's shallow.

The description that you apply to AH's read can be applied to yours as well?

In post 1209, Dunnstral wrote:Hey alisae, what are your thoughts on non-tb players? What happens if tb flips town?

Ranger Reads!
{Me, Reg}
{Dunn, Gamma (I believe the claim now), Realeo, Desperado}
{Superhans, Dave}
{TB, Kop}

Wow. I can pull nothing from daveaz.

Someone need to explain why it's Kop.

As for what happens if tb flips town I'll go read AH's ISO again and figure that out.
Pre-Flip Associations are baaaaaaaad.

Actually going to go through ISO's now but I'm almost down to just policy lynch the fuck out of Alisea here, the suggestion that we should be solving this purely from AH's ISO is by far one of the stupidest things I've heard, the traitor (especially given how short his time in the game was) isn't going to solve the game for us, as Dunn mentioned and I'll attest to the traitor generally doesn't signal to their partners. This game is solved by reading living players posts and analyising those for the most part, about the only confident thing I can glean from AH's ISO is that TB is town, not scum. And trying to solve something based on X flipping town is not pre-flip associations, it only is if you're asking the question if X is flipping scum.

I didn't like the interaction with SH's from MariaR's point of view in Post 122 and disliked her posts around Post 155 but liked her pop in read on SAJ in Post 243 given I liked a post of SAJs at a similar time. I liked Desperados replace in reads in Post 275 particularly the SH one and liked his vote to AH in Post 351 and his reasoning in Post 369. I liked his prodding of people with legitimate of questions around deadline time in Post 514 but it's not something he can't fake as scum. I think Desperados AH-TB consideration pre-traitor flip in Post 614 is reasonable at the time but think him maintaining that world post-traitor flip in Post 776 is less so, the only point inside there I'd agree with is the lack of push on Desperado from TB but that's fairly weak alone given he already had two scum reads at the time so it's not impossible he wanted to focus on them ahead of Desperado, particularly since the traitor isn't the highest priority. I disliked his "Scum framing Kop" suggestion in Post 783, I personally (And know that the majority of the site does too) shoot people that suspect me as scum knowing that town don't put enough weight behind the dead players reads, it's much more preferable than having them alive pushing you. I think his Gamma-AH-TB world in Post 815 is very tin-foil and makes a minimum amount of sense. I liked his town read on Realo inside Post 826. I think the suggestion that AH was begging TH to "let it go" in 'Post 859 is absurd and think the suggestion that TB is the type of player to notice softs from a traitor to be very outlandish, I read the last comment inside the post to make more sense as AH trying to get TB in the lynch pool. I liked Desperados stance on Gammas claim in Post 900. So I'm not particularly confident to make a call on Desperado either way right now, I really liked his D1 play for the most part but his D2 push on ThingBig is something that I think has scum motivation behind it, need to try and work out if he drove himself into a tunnel-mindset there as town or trying to push a mslynch as scum.

Town read on Hans has weakened in the last few pages, think the reasoning he's trying to use to maintain his TB scum read has a lot of scum motivation behind it and didn't like that his angle with Dunn and the meta was trying to get Dunn "angry", I fail to see a town thought process behind that which lets him get a better alignment indicative read on Dunn. It's not implausible that it's just his inexperience showing but it's certainly somewhat concerning.

My scum read on Dave has weakened somewhat given that a quick meta search has him getting more frustrated and throwing around insults predominantly as town than scum, that said I no longer find his analysis on why MariaR was a traitor read to him to be a town-tell given that it was mentioned by Alisaea earlier in the game making it possible he was just tagging along with that as scum.

Will go through Alisea, Kop & Dunns ISOs shortly.

Realeo, ThingBig (Gap), Gamma, Hans
Desperado
Dave

@ Reg: I think it was the former and I think Hans has been snowing me all day

In post 1222, Desperado wrote:@ Reg: I think it was the former and I think Hans has been snowing me all day

Can you run me through your vote placement on Kop over Hans in that case? I mean I certainly don't mind it, I just want to hear your thought process behind it since it's not walked through inside your ISO. Also did you ever take a quick look at TB's meta (If so before or after I replaced in)? Would also like your read on Dunn & Alisea so we can discuss the similarities/differences between our reads there when I'm done reading them.

Didn't SuperHans been consistent on TB @ D1?