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The difference is he justified it with your frustration being genuine which is lame because you AtE'd a lot harder day 1.

I just think dark's push on you looks a lot more real than lemons' does (that was who I was referring to by the vote -> coast thing)

In post 391, BTD6_maker wrote: After a quick read, Karnos and Charloux look most suspicious but I will go into greater depth to evaluate them.

In post 415, BTD6_maker wrote:I have read it in more detail, and it looks like Charloux actually seemed more Townish on a reread. I get the sense that Charloux is showing genuine frustration.

Well, his read is like a delayed reaction to my immaturity during D1. But i don't think one would miss my posts even if they were skimming and his read feels like "Oh something like that happened, didn't even notice before rereading"
This is my problem because i can't determine if he really didn't see because he was too busy or simply didn't care ATT.

3 more days, Dark isn't going to get lynched today so i will forget about being a hammer and vote my 2nd pick.
VOTE: BTD I know you aren't a PR but claim regardless. L-1

In post 473, Charloux wrote:@Karnos: Not sure how deep in the past you should look for meta. I remember BTD faked a guilty on his scumpartner in micro 618. But since you were in the game as well you know that it was ~half a year ago.
In my last scumgame i got caught with the same method you used just now so this case is kinda sticking in my head. Need some time to rethink since i really think Dark is scum rn.

I do remember that game. Sorta. But it was a special case I think.

Culted gave some reasons. Let me unpick them.

Firstly, you claimed that 415 was a scumpost, purely because of slightly unnatural phrasing. Do you really think this can make someone obvscum? Town players can easily end up saying things with odd phrasing and scum players can make posts that seem to flow. This is not particularly AI, and definitely not what I would call a scumpost.

Secondly, the reason I gave you the benefit of the doubt was that before seeing your reasoning, I was more convinced about Karnos than you. 435 made sense as a reply to keyXrb given my 433.

This is currently a better vote than Karnos.

VOTE: Culted

BTD6_maker wrote:Do you really think this can make someone obvscum?

Unnatural thoughts are a good scum indicator yea. You've seemed to miss a lot of the other things I said.

BTD6_maker wrote:Secondly, the reason I gave you the benefit of the doubt was that before seeing your reasoning, I was more convinced about Karnos than you. 435 made sense as a reply to keyXrb given my 433.

Why was karnos scummier than me at that particular time?

Question to everyone else: Do lemons and btd both make a push on me as the scumteam here or is one trying to pocket the other?

@BTD: what is your read on lemons?

Culted, asking again, why do you suddenly completely trust karnos' word on his role after scumreading him all day?

@Culted's last post
Same question to everyone but in regard to Culted and Charloux's push on BTD.

@Lemons
Your question assumes that I completely trust karnos' word. This isn't a luxury that I can have.

Do I feel like he's more likely to be town?
Did I, after taking the omgus goggles off, looking at his recent gamesolving and reevaluating the game realize that his wavelength is pretty similar to my own?

The answer to those questions is yes.

What changed your reads so completely since 382?
And why are BTD's 'unnatural thoughts' scum (415), but karnos' are now town(373)?
Your entire read on BTD seems to be based on his wording (439), which is apparently a bad scum indicator for you since you used that for your read on karnos as well (382), and his supposed capitalizing on what 'now we can safely assume was tvt' (464), which, as you've just said, we do not have the luxury of doing.

In post 486, Lemons wrote:What changed your reads so completely since 382?

Reading the thread. Reading iso's. Changing my mind.

In post 486, Lemons wrote:And why are BTD's 'unnatural thoughts' scum (415), but karnos' are now town(373)?

How did this question make any sense to you?

I'm not an infalliable robot scumhunter and I can have thought karnos had some very self-centered and omgusy thoughts at one point in the game and think that he's town now. WHile also thinking that Btdmaker's thoughts that happen to look unnatural may carry more scum-motive given........

New content, time going by, understanding that not everything exists in a vacuum.

In post 486, Lemons wrote:Your entire read on BTD seems to be based on his wording (439), which is apparently a bad scum indicator for you since you used that for your read on karnos as well (382), and his supposed capitalizing on what 'now we can safely assume was tvt' (464), which, as you've just said, we do not have the luxury of doing.

My read on BTD is based on his entire presence in this game so far in.

If you want to have a conversation about btd let's not waste our time on his wording choices.

Alright. Why are you scumreading him?

Are you reading my posts?

This is also a bit of an awkward conversation given he's L1 at the moment.

If you think this is a bad lynch I think we're in more of a "what the fuck has he done that's town stage" which means it's your turn to talk at least I'd think.

Actual reasons please, not huge blanket statements.

Pedit: I do think it's a bad lynch, and I'll do an iso in a while to find some reasons.

Alright.......

In post 391, BTD6_maker wrote:Anyway, the ArcAngel and GL flips need analysing. I need to see why people voted ArcAngel to a lynch etc.
After a quick read, Karnos and Charloux look most suspicious but I will go into greater depth to evaluate them.

Not only is this the most awkward post ever (reminding us that he's evaluating at every opportunity) but he was on the AA lynch.

Push on GL was always meh but looking back it's tunneled in both senses. Interacting with like nobody else and just doing a lot more of trying to convince gl that he's scum than anything. AA9 never caught his attention until deadline......

I'm serious what's town in here?

In post 235, Lemons wrote:I can't understand how someone would get this upset over a day 1 L-2, to the point of self voting.

Have you ever been tunneled by rb?

In post 362, Lemons wrote:

In post 359, Charloux wrote: If you look a little closer you will notice that i got quiet as soon as i posted my "reads", the wagon just strayed away from me after that.

Why did you get quiet after posting your reads then? And why stay quiet once you were no longer the target?

What kind of answer were you expecting here?

In post 338, Lemons wrote:Charloux is still looking pretty scummy from day 1, especially since he seemed to get mysteriously quiet as soon as the wagon was off of him and on AA. When he was about to be lynched it seemed like he wanted to leave the town with as much info as possible, posting his read list and such, but as soon as the pressure was off he got quiet. Since AA flipped town, this seems sketchy.

Especially considering this is the entire basis behind your read it seems I'll also ask how his answer affected it.

This post though.... repeats the "he got quiet" line twice.
Why does AA flipping town make it sketchy?

In post 496, culted wrote:

In post 362, Lemons wrote:

In post 359, Charloux wrote: If you look a little closer you will notice that i got quiet as soon as i posted my "reads", the wagon just strayed away from me after that.

Why did you get quiet after posting your reads then? And why stay quiet once you were no longer the target?

What kind of answer were you expecting here?

Game was slow and I was fishing for any information I could get. That question was not one of my prouder moments.

Like he's subtly hinting at charloux being scum and AA was a town counterwagon to him.
Kinda scummy how he's finding ways to not explicitly come right out and say that -- hidden shade throwing.

But what's weirder all around is that wasn't AA a straight up policy lynch? Do scum and town not both enjoy lynching things that aren't playing the game somewhat like I don't get how you can even analyze if the push there was scum motivated or not.

The most I got from it is that BTD looks pretty bad for being so cognizant of the low hanging fruit despite not even interacting with a majority of the game but that's another story completely.