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In post 822, PsychoticDave wrote:

In post 796, Ümläüt wrote:Creature is town purely based on activity level (though may have to meta dive his scum games for comparison). Likewise Human Sequencer.

Most likely there is one mafioso on the nn30 wagon, and one off.

On the wagon:

Creature

, TTTT, PsychoticDave, Hiraki,

Grendel

Off the wagon:

nn30

,

Human Sequencer

, Tenshii,

Ümläüt

VOTE: Tenshii

If Creature and Human are Town based on activity, that logic makes you(r slot) scum.

Ah, the old "A implies B, but not A, therefore not B" syllogism.

Do you seriously think this is a good point?

In post 825, Ümläüt wrote:

In post 822, PsychoticDave wrote:

In post 796, Ümläüt wrote:Creature is town purely based on activity level (though may have to meta dive his scum games for comparison). Likewise Human Sequencer.

Most likely there is one mafioso on the nn30 wagon, and one off.

On the wagon:

Creature

, TTTT, PsychoticDave, Hiraki,

Grendel

Off the wagon:

nn30

,

Human Sequencer

, Tenshii,

Ümläüt

VOTE: Tenshii

If Creature and Human are Town based on activity, that logic makes you(r slot) scum.

Ah, the old "A implies B, but not A, therefore not B" syllogism.

Do you seriously think this is a good point?

Do you seriously believe activity determines town/scum?
Because by your own logic, that makes you scum.

Oh, while you're here:

In post 100, PsychoticDave wrote:I'm getting the feeling that Creature is Mafia and knows who the Chosen Townies are, so he's trying to act like he doesn't know.

I know this is ages ago in the game, but I'm new, so humor me. Which of Creature's prior posts gave you this impression? How does acting like he doesn't know look different from genuinely not knowing?

Also, Dave, which two of of the following four syllogisms are valid?

1. "If A, then B. A. Therefore, B."
2. "If A, then B. B. Therefore, A."
3. "If A, then B. Not-A. Therefore, not-B."
4. "If A, then B. Not-B. Therefore, not-A."

In post 827, Ümläüt wrote:Oh, while you're here:

In post 100, PsychoticDave wrote:I'm getting the feeling that Creature is Mafia and knows who the Chosen Townies are, so he's trying to act like he doesn't know.

I know this is ages ago in the game, but I'm new, so humor me. Which of Creature's prior posts gave you this impression? How does acting like he doesn't know look different from genuinely not knowing?

If you read my posts, you'd know.

As for the stupid A B thing, it doesn't matter. The point is that you're bad because you're townreading people for not having lives on the Holidays.

Tenshii townie.
Umlaut, why did you scumread him? PoE alone?

Umlaut you seem pretty onball, come lynch Dave with me, town has some asinine idea that lynchbait can't be scum for some reason.

In post 807, Ümläüt wrote:I'll finish reading later and maybe I'll change my mind.

So your mind didn't change? You are literally placing a read based off of PoE?

In post 832, Hiraki wrote:

In post 807, Ümläüt wrote:I'll finish reading later and maybe I'll change my mind.

So your mind didn't change? You are literally placing a read based off of PoE?

I hate not voting. I usually vote within a post or two of joining a game. I haven't read every post yet and don't have much of a real read on Tenshii. I'm not at all committed to my vote since I'm not very confident that there is a scum off the wagon (I just think it's the most likely of the three possibilities). Case in point:

In post 831, Human Sequencer wrote:Umlaut you seem pretty onball, come lynch Dave with me, town has some asinine idea that lynchbait can't be scum for some reason.

I accept your invitation.

VOTE: Psychotic Dave

I don't like the way he's coming at me and, looking back, I don't like the way he came at Creature or TTTT either. He is far more interested in tearing down other players' analysis with these little "ha, gotcha" rejoinders than he is in actually evaluating it.

Then there is of course the claim in 682 and the subsequent backtracking, saying he only he is chosen. The problem with this is that he tore into Creature early on for claiming to be able to look at the game and make an educated guess as to who is chosen, brushing off the actual reasoning involved. So to then come out and flat-out say "I am absolutely sure I am chosen" is completely inconsistent and I can't understand the town mindset that leads to both those events. But I can definitely understand the scum mindset of "fakeclaim, then backpedal when you're called out on it."

I feel pretty good about this.

In post 729, Human Sequencer wrote:What out of these two realities seems more realistic to you?
1. Dave is town. Dave spends all game posting nothing of value. As soon as Dave is run up, he claims chosen to try and get Human lynched because he believes Human is scum, even though he knows he may not be chosen. He gambles that the other players won't bother reading into the setup, and instead hopes Human will be flashlynched. He then comes to believe that he is Chosen townie, based on Human pushing him.
2. Dave is scum. Dave gets run up, and then claims chosen because he misunderstands the setup and assumes that Chosen townies get a different role PM. As soon as he is proven wrong, he backs out of it and writes it off as a gambit. He then comes back later saying that he truly does believe he is Chosen, trying to subtly imply that he always thought that and that's why he claimed, even though he heavily backpedaled on the claim before.
That is an open question to everybody in this game except Dave.

QFT

Then there is of course the claim in 682 and the subsequent backtracking, saying he only believes he is chosen. The problem with this is that he tore into Creature early on for claiming to be able to look at the game and make an educated guess as to who is chosen, brushing off the actual reasoning involved. So to then come out and flat-out say "I am absolutely sure I am chosen" is completely inconsistent and I can't understand the town mindset that leads to both those events. But I can definitely understand the scum mindset of "fakeclaim, then backpedal when you're called out on it."

Holy fuck you are the light at the end of the tunnel.

I'm scared you might be buddying up to me, but you quoting my post after taking a stance makes me feel better about that.

I honestly didn't even notice the claim thing until I was already writing the first paragraph about his aimless hole-poking.

You never answered my question.

You mean this question?

In post 826, PsychoticDave wrote:Do you seriously believe activity determines town/scum?
Because by your own logic, that makes you scum.

I assumed it was rhetorical.

I think having close to twice as many posts as the next most active player is a pretty strong town tell. I don't think you can just pick the two least active players in the game and say "look, it's scum," particularly when one of them then flakes out of the game.

You didn't answer the question that you quoted in that post, either.

Alright so

You're townreading people based on activity.
You are forever ignored. Your logic is based on activity during not only Christmas but New Years as well.

I don't really mind being ignored by scum.

After a brief look at Creature's meta I'm even more comfortable assuming he's town.

Based on Human's meta they have never been Mafia ever, so not much to go on there.

Umlaut, Human Sequencer, me

Kill everyone else?

Oh, I forgot TTTT.

Townies, ask yourself how you'll sleep at night knowing you let scum live after making an impossible claim on Day 2.

Based on Human's meta they have never been Mafia ever, so not much to go on there.

I fucking know right.

It's legitimately comical at this point.

I'm not sure enough about TTTT to endorse the Creature protocol fully, but I do think the two most likely scumteams are Dave-Tenshii and Dave-Hiraki.

I didn't find anything particularly incriminating in Tenshii's posts. Sell me on it, with post links plz?

@Creature
why don't you like Tenshii?
or is it all PoE?

@Umlaut
badtown!Dave makes more sense than badscum!Dave

EBWOP:
@Human
exactly