Mini Normal 1854: Game Over

[xSoniaNevermindx]

the funny thing is I don't think Frank dying.
I'm still iffy on the backup bg claim

[xSoniaNevermindx]

If we assume he does die though I'm gonna look at the scum iso (gonna do that anything) and look at a few players and try and some tr's cause you're the next obv lynch choice.

[Aj The Epic]

See, this is exactly what worries me about you is because this shit is where the town loses. We either catch scum tonight (frank's lie, Nacho dies) or you're gonna have one last day with Nacho able to lead this town. And in that day, if you really plan to waste it on such an easy mislynch, going forward this town will deconstruct. If you're really convinced this slot is scum, then that should be D4's lynch, not D3.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

I really dislike a point that you did (try to sr eric by treating him of standards) but besides that there's nothing really I can be like "wow look at those posts it's pretty scummy
I should be able to have a read on Gamma quite soon cause I've never read him wrong in the many games we've played together
If you're town Aj what you should be doing is not worry about yourself and just find the scum you think are on these wagons get some tr's and move this forward yourself cause at the end of the day only you can do that

[Aj The Epic]

I'm normally not capable of guiding a town by myself, so that's why I think Nacho being alive is so damn paramount. What my main goal is to try and setup the core of a town to be ready for nacho's departure. Yeah I'll work on scumhunting but I think we have to clean this game up to find the town people and engage them first.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

I'm normally not capable of guiding a town by myself, so that's why I think Nacho being alive is so damn paramount. What my main goal is to try and setup the core of a town to be ready for nacho's departure. Yeah I'll work on scumhunting but I think we have to clean this game up to find the town people and engage them first.

You don't need to do it by yourself as this is a team game town has to work as a team to find the scum and scum have to work as a team to protect and guide each other to a win
If you're better at finding town say "these are town and why"
If you're better at finding scum say "these are scum and way
I know these are very basic points and I could be wasting my breath talking to scum but hey!
Can't help myself

[Aj The Epic]

I think you realize I'm looking at it a different way than that. It's not worth arguing over more than saying that a system is worth using when everyone has an established and organized role towards the goal of winning.

As far as I'm concerned, the most major breakdown right now is there's not enough evaluation of who's been on what wagon and why. People don't like VCA, but this is more an idea to get a sense of motive. Why did someone join a wagon? Why'd they leave? How's in benefit them to do that? This hasn't been happening and is a stark contrast to a town that constantly re-evaluates those people who have joined a wagon under suspicious circumstances. The ends do not justify the means in mafia, so you have to make sure you are evaluating those means. That's exactly what I was doing in my post about Ari, and what I think this town needs to do with each individual.

[FrankJaeger]

See, this is exactly what worries me about you is because this shit is where the town loses. We either catch scum tonight (frank's lie, Nacho dies) or you're gonna have one last day with Nacho able to lead this town. And in that day, if you really plan to waste it on such an easy mislynch, going forward this town will deconstruct. If you're really convinced this slot is scum, then that should be D4's lynch, not D3.

Yea not going to be baited into that.

[Aj The Epic]

If nacho dies, you're dead to rights. All I'm saying and you should completely understand this. There IS a correct play here.

[FrankJaeger]

You guys are assuming that
1. Scum is going after nacho
2. I am bg nacho

Dont assume

[Aj The Epic]

You claimed BG.

[FrankJaeger]

You claimed BG.

Right

[Joshz]

scum IS going after nacho. the only reason they wouldnt is if they expected you to bg him. nacho is the logical kill.

[Aj The Epic]

If you really need help understanding this:

1) No one in this game is currently able to do what Nacho can to advance the Town
2) Nacho can do what anyone else in this game is currently capable of doing
3) Ergo, Nacho is the most important player in this game, both to scum and town.

The LONGER Nacho survives, the harder this game is to win for scum. That is ALL there is to it.

[FrankJaeger]

scum IS going after nacho. the only reason they wouldnt is if they expected you to bg him. nacho is the logical kill.

Or kill someone else so my role is still in question 2mar.

[Aj The Epic]

No, scum will go for nacho EVEN IF they know Frank BG's him. They NEED nacho dead asap and if that takes them to n3, then it takes them to n3. It's far better than delaying it for some other halfassed kill.

[Aj The Epic]

Frank: I've already stated this. Your role ONLY COMES INTO QUESTION if Nacho dies before you. In which case, you're dead

[FrankJaeger]

If you really need help understanding this:

1) No one in this game is currently able to do what Nacho can to advance the Town
2) Nacho can do what anyone else in this game is currently capable of doing
3) Ergo, Nacho is the most important player in this game, both to scum and town.

The LONGER Nacho survives, the harder this game is to win for scum. That is ALL there is to it.

Yea unless you are scum you cant say what theyre mindset is. I get your point but if predicting scum were that easy, they would never win.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

I'm going to give myself a reason for Nacho to die!

Fixed.

[FrankJaeger]

No, scum will go for nacho EVEN IF they know Frank BG's him. They NEED nacho dead asap and if that takes them to n3, then it takes them to n3. It's far better than delaying it for some other halfassed kill.

Ok maybe im missing something. Why do they NEED him dead over uzi?

Scum could leave both of them alive for the wifom. Putting all the eggs in one basket like that isnt wise.

[FrankJaeger]

Frank: I've already stated this. Your role ONLY COMES INTO QUESTION if Nacho dies before you. In which case, you're dead

Its been in question since I claimed it tbh.

[Joshz]

because nacho is leading and luv is "disinterested"

[Aj The Epic]

Luv isn't anything more than a slot we know that is town. Nacho is someone we know that is town and also someone capable of winning the game. If you CAN'T see this huge difference, there's nothing more but for you to die if Nacho does. Insolence is not an excuse for nacho to die before you.

[TwoFace]

Yeah no wifom. Protect nacho

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Yeah no wifom. Protect nacho

^
It's our best bet even if you disagree just do it.